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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 21, 2019 22:19:51 GMT -5
Have these two ever played before?
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Post by smitty1974 on Sept 21, 2019 22:26:21 GMT -5
lucas after a tough loss last week to northmor,lucas blew out troy christian 43-0 this week and will happen again against willard.
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Post by richrod on Sept 22, 2019 19:48:05 GMT -5
Willard just needs to get a countdown to Vermillion going. Its the only chance they will have this year.
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Post by kingmartinez on Sept 22, 2019 20:54:57 GMT -5
Who could Willard beat in the River Division this year? SMCC doesn't count...Neither does Old Fort or New Riegel.
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Post by richrod on Sept 22, 2019 21:30:26 GMT -5
Who could Willard beat in the River Division this year? SMCC doesn't count...Neither does Old Fort or New Riegel. they definitely beat these teams this year danbury st joe HL maybe margaretta and lakota possibly |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 23, 2019 2:16:19 GMT -5
...Neither does Old Fort or New Riegel. BAM! |
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Post by tchldad on Sept 23, 2019 10:48:33 GMT -5
Who could Willard beat in the River Division this year? SMCC doesn't count...Neither does Old Fort or New Riegel. they definitely beat these teams this year danbury st joe HL maybe margaretta and lakota possibly I seriously doubt they beat Hopewell-Loudon or Margaretta |
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Post by redskinfan04 on Sept 23, 2019 11:35:46 GMT -5
Danbury is the only safe bet of the bunch. SJCC is capable of playing good football.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Sept 23, 2019 16:28:45 GMT -5
Who could Willard beat in the River Division this year? SMCC doesn't count...Neither does Old Fort or New Riegel. they definitely beat these teams this year danbury st joe HL maybe margaretta and lakota possibly I think Danbury is the only for sure win in there for Willard. I would feel really good about the other four’s chances against Willard. |
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 23, 2019 17:59:51 GMT -5
they definitely beat these teams this year danbury st joe HL maybe margaretta and lakota possibly I think Danbury is the only for sure win in there for Vermilion. I would feel really good about the other four’s chances against Vermilion. I guess Vermilion can work in this sense as well  |
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Post by jmorgret07 on Sept 23, 2019 18:21:20 GMT -5
I think Danbury is the only for sure win in there for Vermilion. I would feel really good about the other four’s chances against Vermilion. I guess Vermilion can work in this sense as well That is what happens when you work all day.  |
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Post by richrod on Sept 24, 2019 21:59:03 GMT -5
they definitely beat these teams this year danbury st joe HL maybe margaretta and lakota possibly I seriously doubt they beat Hopewell-Loudon or Margaretta HL is terrible, I know Colatriglio or however you spell it is there, but they are awful, Willard for sure would have a legit shot to beat them. Margaretta is definitely beatable as well, you never know which team of theirs will show up. I know someone said St. Joe can play good football, ummm it depends on what you call good, I think Willard gets them. I honestly think Willard would win 3 games in the river, and 4 if they wanted to play 8 man against St. Mary's. Now that being said, they have no business in the River. I have no idea why they are so bad, but numbers wise, the Bay is just fine for them. |
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Post by dude on Sept 25, 2019 8:00:03 GMT -5
While you guys try to find a team in the state they can beat I will ask about their current schedule. IS there a game that will not have a running clock?
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Post by richrod on Sept 25, 2019 9:08:45 GMT -5
While you guys try to find a team in the state they can beat I will ask about their current schedule. IS there a game that will not have a running clock? yeah i referenced vermilion multiple times on here and i think once in this thread. |
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Post by 1percenter on Sept 25, 2019 9:13:40 GMT -5
Drew Pasteur's Fantastic 50
Willard is ranked #625 in Ohio
Willard's 2019 schedule
#128 Oak Harbor
#202 Seneca East
#261 Huron
#333 Lucas
#343 Edison
#389 Port Clinton
#390 Ravenna Southeast
#460 Plymouth
#465 South Central
#571 Vermilion
River Division
#294 Gibsonburg
#470 Tiffin Calvert
#531 Margaretta
#574 Hopewell-Loudon
#598 Fremont St Joe
#602 Lakota
#704 Danbury
NOL (circa 2016)
#71 Sandusky
#86 Tiffin Columbian
#138 Norwalk
#143 Bellevue
#205 Shelby
#365 Ontario
NOL (circa it's historical self for about 50 years)
#86 Tiffin Columbian
#138 Norwalk
#143 Bellevue
#196 Galion
#205 Shelby
#545 Bucyrus
#554 Upper Sandusky
#625 Willard
Some local teams that Willard could have beaten this year
#663 Crestline
#668 New London
#689 Buckeye Central
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Post by dude on Sept 25, 2019 10:03:25 GMT -5
Is that what Willard has come to? Just trying to find teams that they can beat? Boy how things have changed.
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Post by truecrimson on Sept 26, 2019 4:20:29 GMT -5
Is that what Willard has come to? Just trying to find teams that they can beat? Boy how things have changed. It has come to the day and age of social media hype. It doesn't really matter that we get pounded by 50, little Jimmy scored and that is all that really matters. Plaster it all over social media and see how many likes you can get. Need to get back to the basics and stop pampering kids. Work hard and get pushed, that brings results. I have empathy for the football coach, or for any coach for that matter that gets handed a team that has struggled year over year. It takes time to rebuild because this is an uphill battle for him and i just hope he stays the course and doesn't get railroaded. It is easy to throw in the towel, hard to have vision and push to get there because it is difficult. These are life's teaching moments and where we see character built. |
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Post by buckeyekid on Sept 26, 2019 6:23:46 GMT -5
This is a little bit of a different take on the football team and other boys sport struggles as I kinda see it.
On the boys side at WHS,,for about 13-14 years we have simply not had significant talent or "monsters" walking the halls. It affected basketball and the other sports too until recently when Cooper came back which made a huge impact there.
On the girls side it's a different story. We compete just fine in most sports like Basketball Volleyball Tennis Track. We've had studs and just a number of very talented girls who play multiple sports well. In fact VB BB and Tennis,,,you'd be hard pressed to find many schools our size who were better over the last 15 years collectively. And this was without a Riley Wagner who moved to Columbus after here 6th grade year and ended up as a HS All American Volleyball player and got a Full Ride and currently starts as a Freshman on a very good Univ Of Hawaii team. She was a good BB player too. Add her to last years' VB team and we win State IMO and probably make Regionals 3 years in a row.BTW Lydia Wiers also starting as a Freshman on a D1 Towson State Volleyball. Those two along with Laura Danhoff were "monsters" in multiple Sports. The boys had nothing close to that level athlete since Jimmy Langhurst.
I know some will say that's just an excuse for the boys and it's all coaching,,but I think you have to have more bodies and more talent to compete than what we've had here in town.
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Post by crimson5 on Sept 26, 2019 6:42:43 GMT -5
This is a little bit of a different take on the football team and other boys sport struggles as I kinda see it. On the boys side at WHS,,for about 13-14 years we have simply not had significant talent or "monsters" walking the halls. It affected basketball and the other sports too until recently when Cooper came back which made a huge impact there. On the girls side it's a different story. We compete just fine in most sports like Basketball Volleyball Tennis Track. We've had studs and just a number of very talented girls who play multiple sports well. In fact VB BB and Tennis,,,you'd be hard pressed to find many schools our size who were better over the last 15 years collectively. And this was without a Riley Wagner who moved to Columbus after here 6th grade year and ended up as a HS All American Volleyball player and got a Full Ride and currently starts as a Freshman on a very good Univ Of Hawaii team. She was a good BB player too. Add her to last years' VB team and we win State IMO and probably make Regionals 3 years in a row.BTW Lydia Wiers also starting as a Freshman on a D1 Towson State Volleyball. Those two along with Laura Danhoff were "monsters" in multiple Sports. The boys had nothing close to that level athlete since Jimmy Langhurst. I know some will say that's just an excuse for the boys and it's all coaching,,but I think you have to have more bodies and more talent to compete than what we've had here in town. Good post |
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Post by truecrimson on Sept 26, 2019 8:54:56 GMT -5
This is a little bit of a different take on the football team and other boys sport struggles as I kinda see it. On the boys side at WHS,,for about 13-14 years we have simply not had significant talent or "monsters" walking the halls. It affected basketball and the other sports too until recently when Cooper came back which made a huge impact there. On the girls side it's a different story. We compete just fine in most sports like Basketball Volleyball Tennis Track. We've had studs and just a number of very talented girls who play multiple sports well. In fact VB BB and Tennis,,,you'd be hard pressed to find many schools our size who were better over the last 15 years collectively. And this was without a Riley Wagner who moved to Columbus after here 6th grade year and ended up as a HS All American Volleyball player and got a Full Ride and currently starts as a Freshman on a very good Univ Of Hawaii team. She was a good BB player too. Add her to last years' VB team and we win State IMO and probably make Regionals 3 years in a row.BTW Lydia Wiers also starting as a Freshman on a D1 Towson State Volleyball. Those two along with Laura Danhoff were "monsters" in multiple Sports. The boys had nothing close to that level athlete since Jimmy Langhurst. I know some will say that's just an excuse for the boys and it's all coaching,,but I think you have to have more bodies and more talent to compete than what we've had here in town. Cooper without Devon, Brevon, Myles and Terry would have been a mediocre year. He wasn't a one man wrecking crew and had a load of talent around him. When Jodi took her daughter out she had vision to get her in a school that could get her daughter some visibility, she wasn't getting it here and the coaches were nothing like the coaches she had in high school there. Nothing against the coaches here, they were just teachers filling a position. We talk about talent and studs and warriors yet we neglect why we are not there. That takes structure around these programs and I don't mean go ahead and spend 30 minutes in the weight room and you'll get there. The girls you talk about have a ton of height, that don't grow on trees. What this school really needs is a nutritionalist and a true strength and conditioning coach. You want warriors or studs walking the halls, do that and you'll start to see a difference. Matter of fact, I would make it part of the curriculum. You know this, plant a tree and don't water it and what happens, it withers away and dies. Take a seed and water it daily and you reap the rewards from your effort. Tired of people saying we just don't have the athletes. We just don't have the right structure in place, it is that simple. This starts at the MS level. |
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Post by dude on Sept 26, 2019 11:39:35 GMT -5
This is a little bit of a different take on the football team and other boys sport struggles as I kinda see it. On the boys side at WHS,,for about 13-14 years we have simply not had significant talent or "monsters" walking the halls. It affected basketball and the other sports too until recently when Cooper came back which made a huge impact there. I know some will say that's just an excuse for the boys and it's all coaching,,but I think you have to have more bodies and more talent to compete than what we've had here in town. This is normal for many or most schools. I can see some of the problem for Willard fans is they look at the Frye, Dials and Langhurst years and see that as the normal. When in reality those were unique years that may never return for a small community school. Celebrate them, but live in reality. Urban Meyer could be at Willard and they still would not have a great year. It's not coaching. Last years basketball team was proof of that. Since Langhurst graduated until before last year Willard boys basketball had gone 112-163. Then the school gets a player transfer and a returned player from a private school. Both of which could have earned playing time for any team in the area. Add in the fact that Willard did a major overhaul to there schedule to reduce the competition, and the total result is wins. Willard fans call it tradition. People from the outside see 2 transfers that were the top two players and a reduced schedule. It is always about the talent you have and the talent that you play.  |
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 26, 2019 12:02:16 GMT -5
This is a little bit of a different take on the football team and other boys sport struggles as I kinda see it. On the boys side at WHS,,for about 13-14 years we have simply not had significant talent or "monsters" walking the halls. It affected basketball and the other sports too until recently when Cooper came back which made a huge impact there. On the girls side it's a different story. We compete just fine in most sports like Basketball Volleyball Tennis Track. We've had studs and just a number of very talented girls who play multiple sports well. In fact VB BB and Tennis,,,you'd be hard pressed to find many schools our size who were better over the last 15 years collectively. And this was without a Riley Wagner who moved to Columbus after here 6th grade year and ended up as a HS All American Volleyball player and got a Full Ride and currently starts as a Freshman on a very good Univ Of Hawaii team. She was a good BB player too. Add her to last years' VB team and we win State IMO and probably make Regionals 3 years in a row.BTW Lydia Wiers also starting as a Freshman on a D1 Towson State Volleyball. Those two along with Laura Danhoff were "monsters" in multiple Sports. The boys had nothing close to that level athlete since Jimmy Langhurst. I know some will say that's just an excuse for the boys and it's all coaching,,but I think you have to have more bodies and more talent to compete than what we've had here in town. Cooper without Devon, Brevon, Myles and Terry would have been a mediocre year. He wasn't a one man wrecking crew and had a load of talent around him. When Jodi took her daughter out she had vision to get her in a school that could get her daughter some visibility, she wasn't getting it here and the coaches were nothing like the coaches she had in high school there. Nothing against the coaches here, they were just teachers filling a position. We talk about talent and studs and warriors yet we neglect why we are not there. That takes structure around these programs and I don't mean go ahead and spend 30 minutes in the weight room and you'll get there. The girls you talk about have a ton of height, that don't grow on trees. What this school really needs is a nutritionalist and a true strength and conditioning coach. You want warriors or studs walking the halls, do that and you'll start to see a difference. Matter of fact, I would make it part of the curriculum. You know this, plant a tree and don't water it and what happens, it withers away and dies. Take a seed and water it daily and you reap the rewards from your effort. Tired of people saying we just don't have the athletes. We just don't have the right structure in place, it is that simple. This starts at the MS level. Agree. IMO the lower the age of the athlete the less raw athleticism matters and the more fundamentals do. You can’t become a pro athlete by practicing more than everyone else. You have to do that AND be born with size and raw athleticism. You can be a great high school athlete with average athleticism and working harder than everyone else. An example - the best basketball player in junior high is the best ball handler. Skills > raw athleticism. We’ve seen phenomenal high school players that disappear at the next level because they just aren’t tall enough, thick enough, or fast enough. All assets you can’t teach/learn. Winning at the high school level starts in grade school with basic fundamentals built on every year with more and more fundamentals. Around junior high you add strength training/plyometrics. Lastly, and most difficult, you have to instill a winning mentality. Your athletes have to have the expectation when they walk on the field that they are going to win. You can get there by temporarily dumbing down the schedule (see Norwalk football), but more importantly you need a leader (head coach) that has charisma and instills that mindset. |
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Post by clb6110 on Sept 26, 2019 18:54:48 GMT -5
I'm with truecrimson,Willard needs a nutritionist and a true strength and conditioning coach.Plenty of money in the system to hire this 50k+ person.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 26, 2019 20:19:43 GMT -5
This game will be on 95.3 WLKR
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Post by duckdude on Sept 26, 2019 20:34:52 GMT -5
The middle school looked improved tonight with a win over Vermilion. They are 3 and one on the season. Only loss was a blowout to Norwalk. They have a couple of nasty kids that could shine at the next level.I agree a good workout program could do wonders.
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Post by truecrimson on Sept 27, 2019 7:30:49 GMT -5
The middle school looked improved tonight with a win over Vermilion. They are 3 and one on the season. Only loss was a blowout to Norwalk. They have a couple of nasty kids that could shine at the next level.I agree a good workout program could do wonders. The problem is we need more than a couple nasty kids. Raw talent is easily showcased in MS sports. Once these couple kids get in to HS they are thrown into a melting pot because the other 25 kids on that team were not trained or conditioned properly when there was an opportunity in MS. Playing a team like VM doesn't mean the team is much improved, it just means we have more talented athletes at this age and it showed against them. MS should be where kids are in the weight room 50% of the time, 25% of the time watching film and the other 25% of the time on the field. If you want warriors in HS this is the recipe for success. |
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Post by CEOSouth on Sept 27, 2019 20:35:12 GMT -5
41-0 Lucas
Final
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Post by clb6110 on Sept 28, 2019 7:07:39 GMT -5
truecrimson wrote:MS should be where kids are in the weight room 50% of the time, 25% of the time watching film and the other 25% of the time on the field. If you want warriors in HS this is the recipe for success.
I'm no expert on weigtlifting at all. Not even close. I know you need to be extremely careful with 7th and 8th graders in the weight room. Years ago when my oldest was in 7th grade he was a tall very skinny kid. He ate plenty just couldn't put on weigt or muscle. He wanted to work out and I was fine with that so I talked to Coach Tim Gilmore about helping him out. Coach Gilmore put together a routine for a 7th grader. Light weights and many reps if I recall. Coach Gilmore explained that 7th graders muscular and skelatal systems are just not ready for the weight room. 90% of middle schoolers in the weight room are doing more harm to their bodies than good. Lifting weights just to lift weights at that age won't do you much good. Unless you are Kade Stover.
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Post by buckeyekid on Sept 28, 2019 8:10:10 GMT -5
CLB is correct,,,Junior HIGH weight lifting is a thin red line. Every kid is different but HS is when significant weight training should begin.
I agree on the nutrition part and the need for a "true strength and conditioning coach" whose job would be to handle both JH and HS kids.
This would benefit numerous sports and not just football.
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Post by sportsvideo on Sept 28, 2019 10:01:57 GMT -5
agree with buckeye,, but may also add willard basketball is d3 if you are half way decent you have an open road to regionals, from this area.. girls side not so much...
football is a different animal..this area is pretty good across the board, you have some low lifers, but overall its above average...
but the only way to turn around the football ship is stick with a coach who wants to put in the time and effort to do just that...it won't happen in a year...plan on 5 years - at least before you see results...
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