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Post by moacmama on Mar 19, 2020 15:21:52 GMT -5
I suppose the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
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Post by dude on Mar 19, 2020 17:12:04 GMT -5
I suppose the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Isn't the KMAC made up of the teams that were the blue division? |
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Post by danville96 on Mar 21, 2020 10:26:59 GMT -5
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Post by dude on Mar 21, 2020 12:40:03 GMT -5
I giggled a little while reading this article and the words of the Highland AD when he said they were excited about joining the MOAC and actually being in the "middle" of the competition which would allow them to grow and become stronger programs. I laughed because I remember back to reading the posts of individual fans discussing the movement of teams and saying they were against the move because this school or that school would dominate a sport or two or their kid would never win. I believe 3 things in this order of importance can make a strong conference. 1. logistics 2. enrollment (need to be within 50% of largest school) 3. similar sports (some variance can be easily accepted). Anything outside of those simple perimeters will cause for talk or discussion of change. Other things can cause a break but I believe those things can support a long standing league. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 21, 2020 17:25:09 GMT -5
I suppose the grass isn't always greener on the other side. Highland sees the greener grass in the MOAC as a bigger challenge for their teams. The ones that left saw the grass too green in the MOAC for the same. |
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Post by danville96 on Mar 24, 2020 8:47:59 GMT -5
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Post by ohioraised on Apr 16, 2020 7:41:38 GMT -5
Highland wanted to remain but could not defend staying when they could not fill their schedules.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Apr 18, 2020 21:22:48 GMT -5
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Post by runawaytrain on Apr 23, 2020 7:43:37 GMT -5
The maps???...they don't even have the right schools on them...and show Malabar...which closed in what, 1989? Harding was 3-7 in football this year, not 7-3. And who cares about their enrollment - they don't dominate the MOAC in anything and fit just fine. Their quantity doesn't produce quality. I think with all this corona crap you'll see lots and lots of longer trips try to be eliminated. |
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Post by dude on Apr 23, 2020 8:14:41 GMT -5
The maps???...they don't even have the right schools on them...and show Malabar...which closed in what, 1989? Harding was 3-7 in football this year, not 7-3. And who cares about their enrollment - they don't dominate the MOAC in anything and fit just fine. Their quantity doesn't produce quality. I think with all this corona crap you'll see lots and lots of longer trips try to be eliminated. Every league foe feels this way as long as that much larger team is losing. If Harding wins 7 games in football every year or 17+ in basketball that feeling about the enrollment changes quickly. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 23, 2020 12:11:06 GMT -5
That's a HUGE what if.
When Harding was accepted into the MOAC after being an Independent and playing schedules filled with larger schools with some quality programs I thought Harding would see a significant increase in wins. It hasn't happened. IF and WHEN they become a power in football and basketball for an extended period, THEN and ONLY then will anyone care about enrollment numbers.
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Post by runawaytrain on Apr 24, 2020 7:09:02 GMT -5
That's a HUGE what if. When Harding was accepted into the MOAC after being an Independent and playing schedules filled with larger schools with some quality programs I thought Harding would see a significant increase in wins. It hasn't happened. IF and WHEN they become a power in football and basketball for an extended period, THEN and ONLY then will anyone care about enrollment numbers. There's been no surge yet and I don't see one coming. Using the win over Pleasant last year wasn't a great example...I blind squirrel is going to find a nut eventually. They had their best team in a while several years ago and it didn't garner a football league title. I just think Harding will be Harding. |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Apr 24, 2020 17:12:25 GMT -5
I thought the whole thing about Harding being bigger was far fetched as well. They don’t dominate in any sport and play football at a solid d4 level. Not great but solid.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Apr 24, 2020 20:20:59 GMT -5
Good lord, Ontario beat Harding in football this year.
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Post by dude on Apr 25, 2020 12:52:41 GMT -5
I thought the whole thing about Harding being bigger was far fetched as well. They don’t dominate in any sport and play football at a solid d4 level. Not great but solid. My point was the enrollment facts are only used when a team has success. Harding would have never been allowed to join the MOAC if they were winning programs at the time. As an independent, in football the year before joining they were D2 and went 0-10 with a schedule of 5 D2s and 5 schools in smaller division schools. In basketball the year before joining the won a total of 3 games playing 17 of their 23 games against smaller schools. In their first season in the MOAC for football they went 4-6 with 3 teams their division and 7 in smaller divisions. In their first season of MOAC play in basketball they won 12 games. Both were big improvements. |
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Post by gtab on Apr 25, 2020 23:22:35 GMT -5
That's a HUGE what if. When Harding was accepted into the MOAC after being an Independent and playing schedules filled with larger schools with some quality programs I thought Harding would see a significant increase in wins. It hasn't happened. IF and WHEN they become a power in football and basketball for an extended period, THEN and ONLY then will anyone care about enrollment numbers. I emphatically agree. It really amazes me that Marion Harding, with it's enrollment numbers being as high as they are compared to the rest of the MOAC, has not really dominated in the manner in which I thought they would since joining the MOAC a few years ago. It is nice, however to be able to beat them (whenever possible) in football to gain those precious playoff points. Once they "do" finally start to find great success in varsity football, they'll no doubt be calls for them to leave, especially if a domination of even a few years starts to take effect; no disrespect intended towards the Prexies, of course. This would be aggravated even more so if their varsity boys and girls basketball teams start to win/dominate consistently. I do remember a thread that was on the BB back when Harding first joined the league that reiterated/lamented that same sentiment that was posted by quite a few people. When they start to dominate the league, as was lamented previously, and if/when they might just begin to do here in the not-to-distant future, that's going to tick more than just a few people off. However, this string is about Highland, so I yield back. |
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Post by dude on Apr 26, 2020 15:32:29 GMT -5
It really amazes me that Marion Harding, with it's enrollment numbers being as high as they are compared to the rest of the MOAC, has not really dominated in the manner in which I thought they would since joining the MOAC a few years ago. It is nice, however to be able to beat them (whenever possible) in football to gain those precious playoff points. Once they "do" finally start to find great success in varsity football, they'll no doubt be calls for them to leave, especially if a domination of even a few years starts to take effect; no disrespect intended towards the Prexies, of course. This would be aggravated even more so if their varsity boys and girls basketball teams start to win/dominate consistently. I do remember a thread that was on the BB back when Harding first joined the league that reiterated/lamented that same sentiment that was posted by quite a few people. When they start to dominate the league, as was lamented previously, and if/when they might just begin to do here in the not-to-distant future, that's going to tick more than just a few people off. However, this string is about Highland, so I yield back. Yes this is true. It is not the enrollment that actually matters. It's the level of competition. Enrollment is only used by schools that do not feel they can compete with others at the time of the vote for league acceptance. |
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