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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 1, 2020 11:33:59 GMT -5
Margaretta enters at 24-1 Africentric enters at 19-4 (newark only ohio loss) The Nubians indeed are a public school,,, with certain criteria to meet their enrollment qualifications..Nubians top three players are committed to... Rutgers, Minnesota, And Texas Tech.. We all have that walking in our school hallways don't we?
Margaretta in front of a packed house at shelby high school beat up a previous unbeaten Hopewell Loudon team and we all know Hopewell playing with out the big girl...i think that would've made some difference, but not one in the outcome... too deep, too talented...
the regional semi finals will be played on wednesday at Lexington .. 7pm tip off.. dont worry about over packed gym here..the nubians average attendance is less than 100...
Go Bears!
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 1, 2020 12:33:34 GMT -5
the nubians....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 21:02:41 GMT -5
Afro by 25, it sucks because the bears have a great team from castalia and Afro controls their enrollment to stay where they are in d3 and pull girls from a population of 800, 000.
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Post by bull on Mar 3, 2020 18:41:00 GMT -5
HL plays no one not taking anything from Margaretta they do have a very fine team and wish them the very best!!! It really sucks at this level because these so called public schools recruit as well as the Catholics. Anybody that says they don't is either a liar or bending the rules to the point of breaking them.. Good luck Margaretta Girls.. I am sure you will play your best
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 4, 2020 13:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 4, 2020 16:00:13 GMT -5
HL plays no one not taking anything from Margaretta they do have a very fine team and wish them the very best!!! It really sucks at this level because these so called public schools recruit as well as the Catholics. Anybody that says they don't is either a liar or bending the rules to the point of breaking them.. Good luck Margaretta Girls.. I am sure you will play your best when you seem to have talented D-1 level players in your freshman class that goes through the system one year after another.. something would see odd about that... every school has that "one class" but not 4 or 5 or 6 in a row... this paticular public school in columbus has 3 division I players on this team, and they had a couple that graduated last year.. not to mention the past 10 years a half dozen more.. isn't it odd no other school is that lucky?? that has a public funded school to its name? |
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Post by wallacefan on Mar 4, 2020 19:34:03 GMT -5
HL plays no one not taking anything from Margaretta they do have a very fine team and wish them the very best!!! It really sucks at this level because these so called public schools recruit as well as the Catholics. Anybody that says they don't is either a liar or bending the rules to the point of breaking them.. Good luck Margaretta Girls.. I am sure you will play your best when you seem to have talented D-1 level players in your freshman class that goes through the system one year after another.. something would see odd about that... every school has that "one class" but not 4 or 5 or 6 in a row... this paticular public school in columbus has 3 division I players on this team, and they had a couple that graduated last year.. not to mention the past 10 years a half dozen more.. isn't it odd no other school is that lucky?? that has a public funded school to its name? They also have an "entrance test" I have been told. Wonder who passes that, and who gets lower scores, LOL. Great at basketball, 100%! Bad at basketball, 67%!! Wonder who grades that thing..... That said, they are (and have been) straight up gaming the system...here's how: As many of you know in competitive balance, Tier 0 counts as a 0, Tier 1 counts as a 1, and Tier 2 counts as I think 5 in basketball. Here is what Africentric does.... Here is the counts for Boys basketball this year for Africentric: Tier 0: 2 players Tier 1: 37 players (do not live within the boundaries of the school district-open enrolled-and came to the school at the beginning of the 7th grade) Tier 2: 1 player (open enrolled and came to the school after the beginning of the 9th grade) It keeps your count low, and still allows you to (if needed) bring in a D1 super stud after 9th grade and count them as a Tier 2, since you are keeping your numbers low with a team full of Tier 1's. As for the girls: Tier 0: 2 players Tier 1: 14 players Tier 2: 0 players Bringing kids in at the beginning of 7th grade allows schools to watch them in AAU in 5th and 6th grade and get the very best when 7th grade comes, and still keep the competitive balance number down, so the school stays in the lowest Division possible. And seeing 37 players as Tier 1 pretty much ends any naivete regarding it. Their school/administration can say whatever they want. sure looks like a "plan", doesn't it? Good luck Margaretta.....the deck is stacked against you. By the way, if you are wondering about Margaretta's numbers, here they are: Tier 0: 19 players (live in the district) Tier 1: 3 players Tier 2: 0 players In other words, Margaretta is a bunch of players that are and have been living in Castalia. Vs. the ultimate open enrollment program. Hope the Lady Polar Bears can pull it out. |
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Post by utsherman on Mar 4, 2020 21:41:53 GMT -5
Africentric 69
Margaretta 33
Final
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2020 21:45:38 GMT -5
"Bringing kids in" is 100% ILLEGAL per OHSAA Bylaws. Transferring by using Ohio's Open Enrollment Program is 100% LEGAL. Open Enrolling before the start of the 7th grade IS NOT "gaming the system".
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Post by galion on Mar 4, 2020 22:13:28 GMT -5
Does Afrocentric even have elementary school? They are a magnet school within the Columbus city district, which means that any kid within the Columbus district can choose to go there(or at least apply). Those of us who are older remember the CASE(Col Academy of Physical Education) days. Cincinnati had one too(Carlos Snow anyone?). Sounds like they just renamed it something else to at least give the appearance of some type of academic standard. All they're doing is beating the privates at their own game. I do believe that if you are going to do this that you should at least have the decency to do it at a higher division. Although I would imagine that having a smaller enrollment would give the students a better opportunity to focus on the tasks that they were brought there for. It's curious to me that they haven't had the same success in the guys program.
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Post by galion on Mar 4, 2020 22:19:52 GMT -5
HL plays no one not taking anything from Margaretta they do have a very fine team and wish them the very best!!! It really sucks at this level because these so called public schools recruit as well as the Catholics. Anybody that says they don't is either a liar or bending the rules to the point of breaking them.. Good luck Margaretta Girls.. I am sure you will play your best when you seem to have talented D-1 level players in your freshman class that goes through the system one year after another.. something would see odd about that... every school has that "one class" but not 4 or 5 or 6 in a row... this paticular public school in columbus has 3 division I players on this team, and they had a couple that graduated last year.. not to mention the past 10 years a half dozen more.. isn't it odd no other school is that lucky?? that has a public funded school to its name? It's not odd when your talent pool is the entire Columbus School district. The odd thing would be if a district that size couldn't produce at least several D1 players a year. |
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Post by dude on Mar 4, 2020 22:31:49 GMT -5
How does the Africentric boys team have 40 boys on the team but the girls have 22?
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Post by Green Falcon on Mar 4, 2020 22:35:09 GMT -5
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Post by Green Falcon on Mar 4, 2020 22:50:43 GMT -5
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Post by galion on Mar 5, 2020 0:45:24 GMT -5
How does the Africentric boys team have 40 boys on the team but the girls have 22? The girls probably don't field a freshman team. Many programs don't. |
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Post by jmorgret07 on Mar 5, 2020 6:48:36 GMT -5
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Post by runawaytrain on Mar 5, 2020 9:56:45 GMT -5
They used to be in the old Columbus Mohawk HS in downtown...then did a land swap with the City of Columbus for 55 acres just outside Bexley to build a new school...mind you a $42 million campus with TWO full-size gyms, one that seats 2500 and has more of a college feel to it. They ran into some issues with their "selective admission' process but found a way around it. It's focus is "African American Studies." It dwarfs any other Columbus Public School, yet is one of the smaller schools for enrollment in the district.
Columbus Public Schools are a complete ripoff to tax payers. They've had more scandals and issues than anything I've ever seen. They spent millions and millions several years ago to "renovate" 30+ schools within the district, only to have most of them under 50% capacity. I think Columbus South HS is under 40%. A large majority under perform so the kids are awarded vouchers to go elsewhere. There are voucher schools all over the place. It's all a complete and utter mess.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 5, 2020 23:03:42 GMT -5
Wallace is whining because Marg had to play Africentic, What he doesn't realize is there are 45 other schools that also have a Competitive Balance Adder of at least 30 in girls basketball.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2020 20:51:08 GMT -5
Afric Centric Beats O.G. 38-34.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 8, 2020 7:29:58 GMT -5
My buddy in Columbus told me that the Africentric teachers miss so much school that they can't hire enough subs to manage the classes.
Said it's a travesty what is going on there.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 9, 2020 9:11:24 GMT -5
"Bringing kids in" is 100% ILLEGAL per OHSAA Bylaws. Transferring by using Ohio's Open Enrollment Program is 100% LEGAL. Open Enrolling before the start of the 7th grade IS NOT "gaming the system". they completely play the system to a T - but if you like the NBA how it is with the LOADED teams then a bunch of scums, then you'll like high school basketball in ohio because its fast becoming the same way... If you like that..then more power to you... me I like watching kids grow up with one another playing ball together from biddy on through... if you get a couple D-1 athletes from time to time,,,great! when you get them for 12 years in a row in Division III ? that seems a bit odd... |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 9, 2020 13:22:09 GMT -5
Who is "they"? What is "play the system"? If you're going to be a hater you must speak in specifics not generalities. How does a school "play the system"?
Very very poor analogy to compare the NBA to high school basketball. There are no billionaire owners in high school. There is no draft. NBA players are adult businessmen running an 8 figure/year small business operation, doing what is best for their business, not middle school kids doing what their parents say.
You're watching and doing as you like. Don't hate those that have a DI athlete for a child, obviously you don't. If you're the kind of parent that wouldn't do what is best for your child, then I feel bad for him/her. Whether it be academics, athletics or any extracurricular program. What does it matter if your kid is a prodigy in math, violin, or basketball?
Allow me to educate you on the Columbus City School System. There are 86 elementary schools, 24 middle schools and 19 high schools. Not to mention 8 private high schools. Being that it is ONE public school system, parents can send their kids to ANY of the schools they wish. The taxes they pay help operate ALL of those schools. It would be unlawful not to allow parents school choice. It DOES NOT matter what the reason is. If you want to send your child to a school for better academics in general, the best debate team, to learn Russian or Chinese, the best program for learning English as a second language, the best music program, the best philharmonic orchestra, a gymnastics team, a soccer team, the best coach in any sport. OR the school with one the best girls basketballs programs in the state of Ohio, that have college coaches in the stands at every game.
It is silly of you to assume a school needs to "play the system". You've seen the movie "Field of Dreams" haven't you? AND...Noah asked God where he would get all the animals for the ark. The answer was, "Build it and they will come".
IN THIS AREA ALONE. Why does Edison have such a good wrestling team? Why do so may kids in Crawford Country transfer to CC? During the Hass era to Willard? Football players to Mansfield Senior? Mansfield St.Peter's basketball dynasty? Over the years I have seen many parents Open Enroll their kids to Ontario for better academics and a basketball coach. I asked a really good player from the past why he transferred from a small school in Richland County to Ontario. His answer was, "Seeing a packed house go crazy watching a good basketball team." He decided right then, that was where he wanted to go to high school. After checking, his parents for the academics. It doesn't have to be a DI athlete, just a kid that wants to play for a much better coach than is at his school. YOU want to suppress those dreams?
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Post by bsports on Mar 9, 2020 20:54:12 GMT -5
While I think most agree with your thoughts it still gets back to what you said in an earlier post about 45 schools with a competitive balance adder of 30+. If that many want to play for a school for whatever reason then put them in their own division. The comp adder of 20+ district or whatever. Too few players on the court at once. Should Sprire Academy (if they were OHSAA) have played in the small school division last year? OHSAA has the data so separate accordingly. Be it Africentric or Rogers play against like teams not the Margarettas in the state (yes I realize Rogers is D2). I realize I am somewhat simplifying things (I don't know where you guys pull some of the data but it's good stuff) but the general idea is there. Good thoughts and I liked some of the local examples you cited.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2020 21:44:41 GMT -5
High school sports were not started as a right for all. They were meant as a privilege for those who followed the rules and carried passing grades and if you did that you could build lasting memories with your classmates you grew up with. Now the values are only on winning at all costs as long as you meet the minimum requirements. In two recent cases this season at Oak Harbor and Cleveland Hgts(I believe), the OHSAA passed down discipline for violations of their rules. The rule breakers appealed and took OHSAA to court and the case was dropped because OHSAA didn't financially want to fight them. Schools and admins are starting to see this and have little fear in pushing the boundaries.
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Post by Green Falcon on Mar 9, 2020 22:05:35 GMT -5
The OHSAA once gave the "death penalty" to Canton McKinley for recruiting in the 60s. That didn't stop schools or students.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 10, 2020 13:43:45 GMT -5
Who is "they"? What is "play the system"? If you're going to be a hater you must speak in specifics not generalities. How does a school "play the system"? Very very poor analogy to compare the NBA to high school basketball. There are no billionaire owners in high school. There is no draft. NBA players are adult businessmen running an 8 figure/year small business operation, doing what is best for their business, not middle school kids doing what their parents say. You're watching and doing as you like. Don't hate those that have a DI athlete for a child, obviously you don't. If you're the kind of parent that wouldn't do what is best for your child, then I feel bad for him/her. Whether it be academics, athletics or any extracurricular program. What does it matter if your kid is a prodigy in math, violin, or basketball? Allow me to educate you on the Columbus City School System. There are 86 elementary schools, 24 middle schools and 19 high schools. Not to mention 8 private high schools. Being that it is ONE public school system, parents can send their kids to ANY of the schools they wish. The taxes they pay help operate ALL of those schools. It would be unlawful not to allow parents school choice. It DOES NOT matter what the reason is. If you want to send your child to a school for better academics in general, the best debate team, to learn Russian or Chinese, the best program for learning English as a second language, the best music program, the best philharmonic orchestra, a gymnastics team, a soccer team, the best coach in any sport. OR the school with one the best girls basketballs programs in the state of Ohio, that have college coaches in the stands at every game. It is silly of you to assume a school needs to "play the system". You've seen the movie "Field of Dreams" haven't you? AND...Noah asked God where he would get all the animals for the ark. The answer was, "Build it and they will come". IN THIS AREA ALONE. Why does Edison have such a good wrestling team? Why do so may kids in Crawford Country transfer to CC? During the Hass era to Willard? Football players to Mansfield Senior? Mansfield St.Peter's basketball dynasty? Over the years I have seen many parents Open Enroll their kids to Ontario for better academics and a basketball coach. I asked a really good player from the past why he transferred from a small school in Richland County to Ontario. His answer was, "Seeing a packed house go crazy watching a good basketball team." He decided right then, that was where he wanted to go to high school. After checking, his parents for the academics. It doesn't have to be a DI athlete, just a kid that wants to play for a much better coach than is at his school. YOU want to suppress those dreams? AAU > High School . getting close to the same anymore isn't it? No we can't not control where a kid or parent wants to play...and that's fine...but how about we put those teams in a division all by themselves and allow the ones who grew up together, played little league together, middle school together, now high school together the right to their own title? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2020 15:13:24 GMT -5
The OHSAA complains about poor attendances at their semi finals, And championship games. I'm not interested in going to watch these schools that made a mockery of the rules.
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Post by Green Falcon on Mar 10, 2020 16:14:49 GMT -5
The notion of getting players to form "super teams" in high school is because of the youth AAU culture from before even the teenage years. Kids are on travel teams before they're in school teams. Most rec leagues are dwindling.
If you want the trend to reverse you mjst start young. The youth sports model used in Norway is does this really well and could definitely be used here in the states
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