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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 22, 2020 12:55:43 GMT -5
a 0-0 team hasn't earned anything and should be put last in my opinion. Imagine if that 0-0 team was a perennial powerhouse and defending state champ. And then they get seeded 27th and have to play the 6th seed in the first round. Wouldn't it absolutely suck to be that 6th seed team. Here you earned the right to get an easy game against the theoretical worst team in the entire region but instead you have to play a regional championship difficulty level game 4 rounds before that would have normally happened. That's the type of thing they were probably trying to avoid by not using harbins this year. Plus you have to remember that this was all decided back in early August, when it was still uncertain if HS football would be played at all in Ohio, and when it most mostly likely assumed that more teams would play an comparatively unequal number of games than what has actually ended up happening. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 22, 2020 13:02:30 GMT -5
Team on top of bracket has the opportunity to host, if they can’t the other school will host Oh boy, that's always a fun one to have to explain to people, and with these big brackets it get even more crazy than usual. Only now there will be a lot more on the line than simply determining your jersey color and what side of a neutral stadium you get assigned. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2020 13:06:04 GMT -5
Team on top of bracket has the opportunity to host, if they can’t the other school will host Oh boy, that's always a fun one to have to explain to people, and with these big brackets it get even more crazy than usual. Only now there will be a lot more on the line than simply determining your jersey color and what side of a neutral stadium you get assigned. Truth |
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Post by fbfan on Sept 22, 2020 13:13:33 GMT -5
a 0-0 team hasn't earned anything and should be put last in my opinion. Imagine if that 0-0 team was a perennial powerhouse and defending state champ. And then they get seeded 27th and have to play the 6th seed in the first round. Wouldn't it absolutely suck to be that 6th seed team. Here you earned the right to get an easy game against the theoretical worst team in the entire region but instead you have to play a regional championship difficulty level game 4 rounds before that would have normally happened. That's the type of thing they were probably trying to avoid by not using harbins this year. Plus you have to remember that this was all decided back in early August, when it was still uncertain if HS football would be played at all in Ohio, and when it most mostly likely assumed that more teams would play an comparatively unequal number of games than what has actually ended up happening. I suppose all kinds of crazy scenarios could be dreamed up in which somebody would get the Sh** end of the stick, no matter how you seeded them. That's life. You have to go with what is most likely to happen. The harbins would most likely seed the teams with the same accuracy, based on games played, as they do under normal circumstances. You asked how a 0-0 team could be seeded. I told you how I would do it if I were a coach doing the seeding. Same result as 0 harbin points.  |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 22, 2020 14:35:16 GMT -5
There is a basic statistics phenomena that can apply here. Think of a few basic guessing games that you may see at a county fair (guess the weight of the cow, guess the number of jelly beans in the jar, guess the blah blah blah with the blah blah blah). Any one person's guess could be dead-on or all the way out in Bryan, OH. However, there does exist a pattern with these simple games where if you take the average guess of the group, you wind up +/- 5%ish from what the actual value of whatever we are guessing should be. This only holds up with more simple games.
Pivoting to football coaches making rankings of teams...we should get close to what we are looking for. Some coaches will throw out some janked-up rankings. Most will put a good effort. I think that's fine. I think it's much more difficult for an impostor team in football to make a playoff run than in other sports. There are home-field implications at stake, but since we are in a one-year marriage with this system, I hardly care. It's what we get.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 22, 2020 14:37:53 GMT -5
I would give some of these coaches some leash. A lot of them are probably also teaching, and that isn't exactly a trip to the apple orchard this year with all the additional rules / tech skills they've had to build. I personally enjoy this playoff seeding framework when it applies to basketball. Then again, basketball gives you a much larger sample size of games before seeding (17ish games ~ 70%+ of a standard season) versus football this year (5 games, 50% of a standard season, with plenty of confounding factors for some teams). There will be slippage and waste in this process but, coming into this discussion as a Shelby fan, the only way the seeding could really hurt us is if we get lined up with a Bellevue or Clyde before the regional semis/finals. My feelings. Football is traditionally more consistent and doesn't have the immediate ups and downs basketball has plus with only a game a week you have much more time to study and know the region. I think many are teachers and I believe teachers duties have changed but not to the point of it changing their daily demands. It's more of a change to their past routines. Plus most coaching staffs have 7-10 guys and any one of them could be assigned with learning the region. Untrue to popular belief, most head coaches do not do everything. Fair enough. I still don't think the doors are opened towards widespread deliberate mis-ranking of schools. The incentive is there with home-field scheduling being a thing this year, but I don't fear any shenanigans. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 23, 2020 8:21:18 GMT -5
I wonder how many coaches will look up the harbins rankings on Joe Eitel and then submit a list that's more or less the same order as that
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Post by dnis30 on Sept 23, 2020 10:02:29 GMT -5
I wonder how many coaches will look up the harbins rankings on Joe Eitel and then submit a list that's more or less the same order as that That is what I think is going to happen. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 23, 2020 15:18:07 GMT -5
I think coaches will use Joe, except for some adjustments up or down based on teams they've played or more knowledge about. They could know about significant injuries, suspensions, who's playing well or not the last couple weeks of the season, which Joe does not take into consideration. JMO
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Post by dude on Sept 24, 2020 6:24:37 GMT -5
I wonder how many coaches will look up the harbins rankings on Joe Eitel and then submit a list that's more or less the same order as that Since they have been used for years to set up the playoffs it would only make sense. |
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 24, 2020 9:04:30 GMT -5
As far as Region 14 is concerned, the biggest legitimate deviation from the Harbin rankings that coaches will act on is Clyde at #15. That could begin to correct itself with a Clyde W this weekend. Otherwise, I don't see many teams that are truly mischaracterized by their Harbins.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 24, 2020 10:16:38 GMT -5
As far as Region 14 is concerned, the biggest legitimate deviation from the Harbin rankings that coaches will act on is Clyde at #15. That could begin to correct itself with a Clyde W this weekend. Otherwise, I don't see many teams that are truly mischaracterized by their Harbins. Note, this weekend's games will be the last new data point to be considered. The voting will take place next week on Sept 29 and 30, with the brackets being assembled on Oct 1. The week 6 games on Oct 2 and 3 will have no effect on playoff seeding. |
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Post by fbfan on Sept 24, 2020 11:45:41 GMT -5
This is a little off topic from regions, but I thought I'd post it here since this concerns all teams in all regions. Just posted on the Colonel Crawford Football face book site: OHSAA TOURNAMENT TICKETING:
Given the Governor’s order regarding capacity restrictions at venues, along with another rationale, the OHSAA will be utilizing HomeTown Ticketing for all levels of the postseason events, in all sports. With that, OHSAA will be providing schools with all of the detailed information. Listed below is the overview of how this process will work: The OHSAA and HomeTown Ticketing will work collaboratively to set up each sporting event on the ticketing platform (www.ohsaa.org/tickets
State Tournament Tickets
Ohio High School Athletic Association
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Once teams are listed for an event, each athletic director for the participating schools of that event will receive an email with specific instructions and a personalized code for their team. This code will be shared with the participant's families so they can log in and purchase up to the allotted ticket amounts based on venue capacity limitations.
Families will have a select time to purchase tickets, and that window will close prior to the event occurring. Therefore, because of the way the Governor’s order is currently worded, there will be no gate/walk-up tickets sold.
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 24, 2020 12:01:34 GMT -5
This is a little off topic from regions, but I thought I'd post it here since this concerns all teams in all regions. Just posted on the Colonel Crawford Football face book site: OHSAA TOURNAMENT TICKETING:
Given the Governor’s order regarding capacity restrictions at venues, along with another rationale, the OHSAA will be utilizing HomeTown Ticketing for all levels of the postseason events, in all sports. With that, OHSAA will be providing schools with all of the detailed information. Listed below is the overview of how this process will work: The OHSAA and HomeTown Ticketing will work collaboratively to set up each sporting event on the ticketing platform (www.ohsaa.org/tickets
State Tournament Tickets
Ohio High School Athletic Association
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Once teams are listed for an event, each athletic director for the participating schools of that event will receive an email with specific instructions and a personalized code for their team. This code will be shared with the participant's families so they can log in and purchase up to the allotted ticket amounts based on venue capacity limitations.
Families will have a select time to purchase tickets, and that window will close prior to the event occurring. Therefore, because of the way the Governor’s order is currently worded, there will be no gate/walk-up tickets sold.
Sounds like no increase in capacity for playoffs and no gate sales. That stinks. What if a school doesn’t buy their allotted tickets? The unsold tickets could be sold at the gate, but not with this format. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 24, 2020 13:04:45 GMT -5
I can't imagine a team's allotted tickets won't be sold. If parent's don't or can't purchase their allotment, you know grandparents, aunts and uncles or girlfriends will buy them. Face it, it you're just a "fanofthegame", you aren't going to games in the post season any easier than you did during the regular season.
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Post by fanofthegame on Sept 24, 2020 15:00:38 GMT -5
I can't imagine a team's allotted tickets won't be sold. If parent's don't or can't purchase their allotment, you know grandparents, aunts and uncles or girlfriends will buy them. Face it, it you're just a "fanofthegame", you aren't going to games in the post season any easier than you did during the regular season. Marion Harding didn’t use their allotted tickets two weeks ago. Week seven may be called a playoff game, but let’s face it it’s nothing special. Everyone makes the playoffs. And before the end of a regular season (game 10) the drives might be pretty long. I see unsold tickets as a real possibility. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 24, 2020 19:00:21 GMT -5
Harding is not a school you want to make comparisons to.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 24, 2020 20:51:23 GMT -5
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 25, 2020 8:52:48 GMT -5
Are the state championship games still being held in Canton? I assume Final Four does neutral site, per usual.
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Post by 419bossman on Sept 25, 2020 23:12:19 GMT -5
Well after week five, Region 14 should be very interesting who will get the one seed, it's between Bellevue and Shelby. I give the edge to Bellevue since their wins are just a little bit better then Shelby's wins but it should be interesting next week
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 29, 2020 9:49:43 GMT -5
Oh boy, that's always a fun one to have to explain to people, and with these big brackets it get even more crazy than usual. Only now there will be a lot more on the line than simply determining your jersey color and what side of a neutral stadium you get assigned. Truth Well, now it won't be an issue. Sometime in the past couple weeks they changed it to higher seed, not top of the bracket. The wording has been updated on the press release pages on the OHSAA website that list the playoff structure. Good to see they went with the more common sense option now that actual home field advantage is at stake. I bet they got a lot of pressure from the schools to address this. |
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Post by 419bossman on Sept 29, 2020 21:23:58 GMT -5
I talked to a coach and he told me that each coach sent a profile about their team, their current record and their record from last year on Sunday, so that gives an idea on how the seeds will be determine
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 29, 2020 21:26:03 GMT -5
I talked to a coach and he told me that each coach sent a profile about their team, their current record and their record from last year on Sunday, so that gives an idea on how the seeds will be determine Sent it where? All that information can be found on Joe Eitel's site and it would be FAR better organized and more accurate. |
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Post by dude on Sept 30, 2020 7:34:13 GMT -5
I talked to a coach and he told me that each coach sent a profile about their team, their current record and their record from last year on Sunday, so that gives an idea on how the seeds will be determine This sounds similar to what other sports do. Each team provides a profile and coach's remarks and then a day or two later coaches can read them and vote on seeding each team. It sounds like they are using the Soccer, Basketball, Baseball and Softball formula which has been used the last couple years. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 11:10:47 GMT -5
Shelby got the 2 seed (Bellevue got the 1 seed)
Ontario just missed out on a bye, but gets to host Vermilion
Galion will play Lutheran West for a trip to BAF
Clear Fork is at Edison
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 1, 2020 21:14:09 GMT -5
I was hoping Ontario would be moved down to 9th seed by the coaches. Still hosting and giving them the best chance at winning 2 games. HOWEVER, if the coaches voted in a regular 10 game season, they would have voted Ontario out of the playoffs.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 1, 2020 21:39:37 GMT -5
I was hoping Ontario would be moved down to 9th seed by the coaches. Still hosting and giving them the best chance at winning 2 games. HOWEVER, if the coaches voted in a regular 10 game season, they would have voted Ontario out of the playoffs. In a 10 game season, the MOAC has proven to be a Harbin point cash cow. Consistently strong overall non conference records. Ontario may have very well gotten their ticket punched the old fashioned way. I'd like to think so (although who knows which team they would have jumped). That isn't necessarily the point you were making, but we can do whatever we want in Hypothetical Land. |
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 21:49:51 GMT -5
Here's the KMAC slate:
In Region 15:
#17 Highland travels to #16 Warsaw River View
In Region 23:
#18 Loudonville gets a possible 2 game preview tour of some of their future conference facilities. They'll be traveling to #15 Northmor, and if they win that they'll earn a trip to #2 Centerburg.
#21 Fredericktown travels to their former, albeit brief, Blue Division opponent, #12 Marion Elgin
#24 Mt. Gilead gets a trip down past Cambridge to take on #9 Lore City Buckeye Trail
In region 27:
#2 East Knox gets the winner of #18 Tuscarawas Central Catholic and #15 Toronto
#13 Cardington will host #20 Newark Fisher Catholic, and #4 Danville awaits the winner
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 21:57:21 GMT -5
The Marion County MOAC situation is as follows: River Valley will host Maumee, Harding will head down 23 to Worthington Kilbourne, and there will be a Pleasant bus ride to Bellefontaine Benjamin Logan.
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Post by dude on Oct 2, 2020 7:28:00 GMT -5
I was hoping Ontario would be moved down to 9th seed by the coaches. Still hosting and giving them the best chance at winning 2 games. HOWEVER, if the coaches voted in a regular 10 game season, they would have voted Ontario out of the playoffs. In a 10 game season, the MOAC has proven to be a Harbin point cash cow. Consistently strong overall non conference records. Ontario may have very well gotten their ticket punched the old fashioned way. I'd like to think so (although who knows which team they would have jumped). That isn't necessarily the point you were making, but we can do whatever we want in Hypothetical Land. Had it not been for Keystone and Perkins seeding Ontario as a 15th and 16th seed, they would have had a bye next week. |
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