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Post by homewrecker on Jul 23, 2021 10:15:06 GMT -5
Fostoria Board of Education has privately, made the executive decision to erase the Redmen namesake. The new nickname will be Fostoria Red. The stadium has been recently painted and the new reference is already in place. I would imagine Bucyrus, Bellevue, Arcadia, Hopewell-Louden, Tiffin Calvert, Lakota, Mohawk and dozens of others with any reference to Indian heritage, will be scrambling to please the PC police. Fremont Ross 'Little Giants' needs to go. Don't want to be offending short people, do we? I hear Shelby is going to have to drop the Whippet mascot, the labradoodles are having an uproar. |
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Post by homewrecker on Jul 23, 2021 10:20:28 GMT -5
It will make the franchise and and retail stores a HUGE amount of money selling products with the new logo and name. I hope Cleveland comes out with Guardian underwear so I can Poop my pants on the logo. That would be the only article of clothing I would buy. |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 23, 2021 11:15:48 GMT -5
The Guardians name is just awful. Even worse, they are keeping a similar logo and pretty much leaving the uniforms alone other than the name change. May be the worst thing Dolan has done.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2021 11:55:00 GMT -5
lifelong Cleveland fan and here is my take:
it's a bad name and that wing logo makes me want to cry, i can't imagine i'd ever let one of my kids rock that garbage, and this is from a guy who was possibly the biggest Chief Wahoo logo hater on the planet
Do Better. You've had plenty of time. They probably picked GuarDIANS so cheapskates won't have to change the DIANS on their silkscreen t-shirt stencils.
Time to fly some Reds gear.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jul 23, 2021 12:04:47 GMT -5
lifelong Cleveland fan and here is my take: it's a bad name and that wing logo makes me want to cry, i can't imagine i'd ever let one of my kids rock that garbage, and this is from a guy who was possibly the biggest Chief Wahoo logo hater on the planet Do Better. You've had plenty of time. They probably picked GuarDIANS so cheapskates won't have to change the DIANS on their silkscreen t-shirt stencils. Time to fly some Reds gear plenty of room on the Dodger bandwagon |
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Post by sweathog on Jul 23, 2021 12:55:54 GMT -5
It's all bullshit taking Indians away.
Nothing racist or anything with the name Indians or picture of chief Wahoo, I guess I am done with baseball in Cleveland also.
Done with Browns because they are nothing but a bunch of fags, You seen there aid on TV!!
Then there's the worthless nba, a bunch of blm idiots!!! leboob a black racist!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 13:03:50 GMT -5
It's all bullshit taking Indians away. Nothing racist or anything with the name Indians or picture of chief Wahoo, I guess I am done with baseball in Cleveland also. Done with Browns because they are nothing but a bunch of fags, You seen there aid on TV!! Then there's the worthless nba, a bunch of blm idiots!!! leboob a black racist!!! See ya |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 13:06:28 GMT -5
It will make the franchise and and retail stores a HUGE amount of money selling products with the new logo and name. Good feeling they aren’t selling much with that name and logo |
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Post by homewrecker on Jul 23, 2021 13:58:27 GMT -5
Just heard Mahomes will be playing for the Chefs next year and not the Chiefs
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Post by homewrecker on Jul 23, 2021 14:10:03 GMT -5
Could have just gone with the Cleveland baseball team.
It worked so well for the Washington football team.
That was lame.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 23, 2021 16:54:46 GMT -5
I'm outa' here!
My lifetime allegiance to my beloved Cleveland Indians is officially over!
My new, fulltime team is officially, the Tampa Bay Rays!
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Post by cbus on Jul 23, 2021 17:12:16 GMT -5
I'm outa' here! My lifetime allegiance to my beloved Cleveland Indians is officially over! My new, fulltime team is officially, the Tampa Bay Rays! Oops. Looks like you won't be able to support the Rays either. "Though the "Devil" part of the name was because of the rays found in the Tampa Bay area, some people had issues with the word in the team’s name. After nearly a decade as the Devil Rays, and countless phone calls pleading with the team to change the name, the team's new ownership, led by current owner Stuart Sternberg, decided that it was best to change the name to the Tampa Bay Rays. That change happened after the 2007 season." |
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Post by piratefan on Jul 23, 2021 17:46:28 GMT -5
Sucks! I'm sick of all this "PC" crap! What about the Chicago Blackhawks, the Atlanta Braves, the Seminoles, the KC Chiefs? Just to name a few. Did I say the whole thing SUCKS!!!  ?? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 18:03:24 GMT -5
Since BellevueBuckeye,Who is way more knowledgeable about sports than most of us on here, Posted about discontinuing Chief Wahoo, I bought as much Indians attire and Chief stuff I could find. I now have enuff shirts and hats to last me the rest of my life. I will Proudly wear my Indians stuff only, Not that other crap. Question that nobody is asking is, Will we be allowed in to the ball park with our Indians attire on, Next season ?
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Post by fbfan on Jul 23, 2021 18:59:54 GMT -5
A little context about the figures that our baseball team is now supposed to honor and aspire to be like, courtesy of a 2009 Cleveland Magazine article:
The Art Deco figures carved in the sandstone pylons on the Lorain-Carnegie Bridge have stood guard over east-west traffic since 1932. Their name comes from Wilbur Watson, the bridge’s engineer, who wrote that the eight figures were meant to “typify the spirit of progress in transportation.” Each guardian holds a different vehicle in his hand, representing the history of ground transport — from a stagecoach, covered wagon and hay rack to a 1930s-era automobile and four types of trucks. “Great care was taken to obtain a pleasing architectural creation,” wrote Watson, “demanded by a public that is becoming more and more critical in this regard.” Voters approved the money to build the bridge in 1927, before the Depression forced a return to frugal simplicity in public construction. Still, the bridge came in under budget, at $6.5 million (or around $90 million in today’s dollars). The figures are carved from 43-foot-tall slabs of local Berea sandstone.
Henry Hering of New York City was hired as the sculptor, but the Art Deco style of the bridge was not typical of his work.
Watson credited Frank Walker of Walker & Weeks, Cleveland’s premier architectural firm of the time, with the guardians’ design. Watson explained what the guardians symbolized, but not what had inspired them. Here are the best clues to Walker’s influences.
1. The angular parallel lines that run behind and below the Guardians mark the statues as Art Deco, the sleek modern style of the late 1920s and 1930s. The Guardians of Traffic are Cleveland’s only large Art Deco monuments.
2. The wings on the helmets suggest who they may be modeled after: Hermes, the messenger of the gods and the god of commerce and land travel in Greek mythology. Also known as Mercury by the Romans, he was often depicted with a winged helmet to signify his speed.
3. Some observers see Egyptian influence in the statues. Egyptian Revival styles were popular in the 1920s, thanks to the 1922 discovery of King Tut’s tomb and the Art Deco movement’s embrace of stylized figures.
4. The wings of the guardians, which wrap around the pylons, have reminded one historian of the guardian statues at Assyrian kings’ palaces. The Assyrian guardians were part man, part winged bull, and their wings also stretched back along the square sides of the statutes. Like the bridge guardians, the winged bulls were placed in pairs and offered protection to those who passed between them.
5. Each guardian holds a different vehicle. An early sketch of from the Walker & Weeks firm shows a guardian holding a car and includes a list titled “Motifs of Locomotion,” which included: “The Horse and Wagon,” “The Ship,” “The Motor Car” and “The Aircraft.” The designers later chose to leave out the horse, ship and plane and give all the Guardians ground vehicles.
So we went from a caricature of a Native American wearing a feather on his head, to statues of mythological characters wearing leaves and wings on their heads, who were believed to be gods. Not much of an improvement IMO. By the way, the statues are of WHITE, MEN (gods?). Not sure this will pass muster of the woke, PC crowd.
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Post by homewrecker on Jul 23, 2021 19:34:59 GMT -5
PC = (_o_)
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 23, 2021 20:04:26 GMT -5
A little context about the figures that our baseball team is now supposed to honor and aspire to be like, courtesy of a 2009 Cleveland Magazine article: The Art Deco figures carved in the sandstone pylons on the Lorain-Carnegie Bridge have stood guard over east-west traffic since 1932. Their name comes from Wilbur Watson, the bridge’s engineer, who wrote that the eight figures were meant to “typify the spirit of progress in transportation.” Each guardian holds a different vehicle in his hand, representing the history of ground transport — from a stagecoach, covered wagon and hay rack to a 1930s-era automobile and four types of trucks. “Great care was taken to obtain a pleasing architectural creation,” wrote Watson, “demanded by a public that is becoming more and more critical in this regard.” Voters approved the money to build the bridge in 1927, before the Depression forced a return to frugal simplicity in public construction. Still, the bridge came in under budget, at $6.5 million (or around $90 million in today’s dollars). The figures are carved from 43-foot-tall slabs of local Berea sandstone.
Henry Hering of New York City was hired as the sculptor, but the Art Deco style of the bridge was not typical of his work.
Watson credited Frank Walker of Walker & Weeks, Cleveland’s premier architectural firm of the time, with the guardians’ design. Watson explained what the guardians symbolized, but not what had inspired them. Here are the best clues to Walker’s influences.
1. The angular parallel lines that run behind and below the Guardians mark the statues as Art Deco, the sleek modern style of the late 1920s and 1930s. The Guardians of Traffic are Cleveland’s only large Art Deco monuments.
2. The wings on the helmets suggest who they may be modeled after: Hermes, the messenger of the gods and the god of commerce and land travel in Greek mythology. Also known as Mercury by the Romans, he was often depicted with a winged helmet to signify his speed.
3. Some observers see Egyptian influence in the statues. Egyptian Revival styles were popular in the 1920s, thanks to the 1922 discovery of King Tut’s tomb and the Art Deco movement’s embrace of stylized figures.
4. The wings of the guardians, which wrap around the pylons, have reminded one historian of the guardian statues at Assyrian kings’ palaces. The Assyrian guardians were part man, part winged bull, and their wings also stretched back along the square sides of the statutes. Like the bridge guardians, the winged bulls were placed in pairs and offered protection to those who passed between them.
5. Each guardian holds a different vehicle. An early sketch of from the Walker & Weeks firm shows a guardian holding a car and includes a list titled “Motifs of Locomotion,” which included: “The Horse and Wagon,” “The Ship,” “The Motor Car” and “The Aircraft.” The designers later chose to leave out the horse, ship and plane and give all the Guardians ground vehicles. What a bunch of hooey!......lol Tradition and history means nothing to these convoluted assholes. |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 23, 2021 20:07:21 GMT -5
Their thinking is definitely convoluted.
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Post by baldref on Jul 23, 2021 20:10:39 GMT -5
Indians management has been under immense pressure from MLB particularly to change the name. I would have more respect for MLB and all others if they pressure Atlanta to change the Braves name and the disgusting "chop" but it will never happen. Why? Cleveland is small potatoes with few major corporate sponsors compared to Atlanta. It's all about $$$ folks, and MLB can now boast they forced the change in cleveland and take the heat off for awhile. As for the Guardians, I hate the logo but the script Indians looks suspiciously like the script Indians IMO. Maybe a subtle jab at the PC pushers.
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Post by baldref on Jul 23, 2021 20:11:47 GMT -5
Script Guardians I mean
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Post by baldref on Jul 23, 2021 20:19:03 GMT -5
Probably most accurate new name should have been Cleveland Clippers since it's a minor league roster anyway
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 23, 2021 22:20:51 GMT -5
They can do and say as they anything they want, I'm gone as a fan and there are thousands like me.
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Post by baldref on Jul 24, 2021 9:26:40 GMT -5
Am I to assume that those of you who are done with the Cleveland baseball team over the name change, your allegiance was to the name Indians and not really to the Cleveland baseball team, right? I have a ton of Indians gear and have a hat that bears the 1948 Chief Wahoo caricature that I will continue to wear. Most fans of the Cleveland baseball team will continue to wear whatever gear they want but will also continue to support the team until they move. No one really believes that Chief Wahoo or the Indians name is gone and wont proliferate the Jake and Ohio do they? I personally didnt think the name Indians was offensive, much less so than Redskins or Redmen but the times are what they are. Who really cares it makes no difference to me. I really want to see MLB have the balls to go after the Atlanta Braves and their disgusting chop motion etc If that happens, then I will be convinced that MLB was not just bullying the Indians because it is a small market team with little clout nationally.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 10:27:48 GMT -5
I don’t understand why people would stop cheering for a team because of their name. Are you a Buckeye fan? That name sucks. It’s a useless nut. Are you a Browns fan? It’s the color that is 💩. Yes I know they are named after Paul Brown. With that being said the new name and logos are bad. Should of let the public vote for the new name. Whatever marketing and design company they used for the logos they wasted their money
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 24, 2021 11:34:57 GMT -5
It will make the franchise and and retail stores a HUGE amount of money selling products with the new logo and name. Good feeling they aren’t selling much with that name and logo Better feeling they will |
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 24, 2021 12:03:08 GMT -5
sure they will sell some merchandise but not as much as they could have with a complete re-branding (name/color scheme/logo) with a more marketable name
i mean they could have done a lot worse than Guardians (a large part of me was terrified it would be Commodores or Rockers) but this re-brand is pretty lame, if you are going to go this route (and hey they had to, it is what it is) THEN GO ALL IN, LEAN INTO IT and come out with something that makes people go WOW
that is the most diappointing thing...the timing of the announcement was awful (coinciding with olympics) which is inexcusable, you just had like 3 solid days AFTER the all-star game where you literally could have been the only news in the world going on, and you could have hit the fans/media hard with a great re-brand (ok Guardians whatever even if i dont like the name there are still REALLY nice graphics/color schemes/logos that COULD have been designed with that theme in mind) and you could have NAILED IT and used the post-all-star game down time to command attention for your franchise with what amounted to a 3-day Bully Pulpit to pimp your brand and generate a MASSIVE revenue stream
the Indians do a LOT of things right, from being competitive as a small market team to developing pitchers to investing in their minor league systems AND players to outsourcing more FO people than anyone in the game...but they botched this...even if i give them a pass on the name (which i kind of do, i just don't like it but it could be worse) they botched the announcement and the rebrand...that goofy Wing C should have never seen the light of day, this should have moved WAAAAY beyond concept and into directional excitement by this point in time
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Post by clb6110 on Jul 24, 2021 13:39:22 GMT -5
I'm curious on the timing of the release as well. I believe someone with knowledge tipped off Paul Hoynes who said the name was officially changed but he didn't actually know what it was. He later admitted he did THINK it was to be the Guardians. I think when he dropped his nugget of info Thursday night the cat was out of the bag and the Indians had to roll it out sooner than later.
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Post by baldref on Jul 24, 2021 13:41:37 GMT -5
Agree with dr torch on timing and logo.... but with trade deaine days away, could FO throw the name change out now to distract from a major trade/salary dump like maybe Jose to NYY for minor leaguers? Just speculating on the peculiar timing of this ... and being somewhat paranoid as well.
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Post by clb6110 on Jul 24, 2021 17:38:21 GMT -5
You might be right...time will tell but that's certainly thinking outside the box. I seriously doubt that's the timing issue tho.
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Post by 2112 on Jul 24, 2021 19:57:56 GMT -5
Okay, so they wanted to change their name.
Whatever.
But jesus murphy they had an opportunity to do so much better... Cleveland Indians baseball has an incredibly rich history and there was so much to choose from.
This makes me believe the rumored move to Vegas is a done deal. I can't see any real connection between "Guardians" and Cleveland. The idea of a connection to the art deco look of the Lorain-Carnegie Bridge would seem awfully contrived if it came from the team. But "Guardians" does kinda go with the Vegas Golden Knights and the Las Vegas Raiders. Making this change was probably part of the deal. They kept the rest of the team's look the same to push a feeling of "continuity" before the move... I would expect a whole new look after the move to Vegas.
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