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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2016 11:43:36 GMT -5
Saying the BV kid threw punches actually is not factual. Unless your really that out of sync with defensive line play. I expect officials to be, they get worse and worse over the years and ejecting that kid (if it was for anything during that play) was a **** poor call that cheated the kid. If there was extra curricular after the play that we didn't see, well then so be it they got it right. Nothing dirty going on in that play though. If the coach told your coach to F off and wouldn't shake his hand, then that certainly isn't cool, but usually people don't just up and do that out of nowhere. Usually stuff has been brewing up from both sides all night when that's the case. Regardless, I will agree when it's all said and done you oughta shake hands and move on. Point is, you already have dirt on them for how there coach acted... why try and dig for more and accuse a kid of something he clearly didn't do. Bad call on the officials and non factual statement on your part. Go educate yourself on the trenches. As far as the verbalization between the coaches, no one on here heard what was said by who. I'm sure witnesses on the field would have different stories. So at the best it's 2nd hand info of a he said, he said situation that wouldn't hold up in court. |
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 14:23:30 GMT -5
I don't know what happened between the coaches, and I wasn't personally at the game (was getting text updates from my son). From what I've heard though, most of the BV folks were fairly upset at what I was told was an obvious horse collar tackle at the end of the game that wasn't called. Perhaps this is what escalated things between the coaches?
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Post by buckeye01 on Oct 3, 2016 14:55:20 GMT -5
the tackle was not even close to a horse collar. What happened was a bigger and stronger player hit a player who is not as big as him so the play looked violent.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 16:43:57 GMT -5
You can be bigger and stronger and still get someone by the collar. Just sayin. Like I said I didn't see it so I'm not going to argue with you but people whose opinions I trust gave me a different story.
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Post by 4 on Oct 3, 2016 17:13:57 GMT -5
I've always heard talk of bv being a dirty school, not sure if it's true. But last year against Harding when Harding was cheated out of it, they sure put some confirmation against being a dirty school. Student section rushing the field striking players and so forth.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 18:36:07 GMT -5
Seriously? I'll agree the students shouldn't have been on the field and I fault the BV administrators for that but the problems that night were both ways. It was just a recipe for a bad situation. That being said the only swing I saw thrown that night came from a Harding player. And Harding in no way got cheated that night. Not even close.
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Post by 4 on Oct 3, 2016 18:45:23 GMT -5
Refs made bad calls all night, was informed there license were taken
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 18:53:56 GMT -5
That's laughable. I would suggest you double check your sources. Refs were no better or worse that night than your average high school crew. Harding killed themselves that night with pre snap and lack of discipline penalties. There were missed calls but no more for one team than the other. Always amazes me how people are so quick to blame the refs and not focus on the mistakes your own team made.
As for the students, that was BV's senior night and it is a tradition for the students to huddle after the game and for the seniors to do a final walk up the field. 100% agree that our administrators should have kept them off the field until the Harding players had cleared the full handshake line. I fault our former AD for that one and he is no longer there. It was a case where emotions were high on both sides. Unfortunate yes, but to try to use that to say BV is a dirty school is just plain out of line.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 18:56:59 GMT -5
Btw, just so you know, the OHSAA doesn't "take licenses" for a poorly called game. You'd be more likely to get suspended for wearing the wrong colored jacket. If they did take licenses every time a fan base thought a crew had a bad game, there wouldn't be enough refs in the state to work all the games.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 3, 2016 19:52:00 GMT -5
Refs made bad calls all night, was informed there license were taken Dumbest post I've ever seen, was informed your license to post will be taken away.  |
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Post by 4 on Oct 3, 2016 19:57:38 GMT -5
It was more then just that game. Figured you could read between the lines. Obviously won't take them for bad called game. Not sure if it's true either. I know there was a suspension for sure tho. It was horribly called.
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Post by 4 on Oct 3, 2016 20:01:39 GMT -5
I'm not a Harding fan. Just of moac football. But yeah even bv people said it last year. New year and it doesn't matter anymore. They'll go to the White House this year to play the presidents. Which will be a different outcome then last year
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:05:31 GMT -5
Dude, give it up. You really dont have a clue.
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Post by 4 on Oct 3, 2016 20:14:05 GMT -5
Lmao bv people. I see why Hayes doesn't like em. I'm done with this convo tho.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:29:46 GMT -5
Go to bed young man. You're up too late.
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Post by 4 on Oct 3, 2016 20:31:24 GMT -5
Probably older then you, sir.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 3, 2016 20:36:33 GMT -5
Well if you are you haven't learned much in your "years", but I highly doubt it. And werent you "done with this convo". Keep talking though. It's making for good entertainment.
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Post by presnapread on Oct 4, 2016 7:31:05 GMT -5
Baseballdad
Buckeye01 is QUITE correct, the people you trust, at least when it comes to their knowledge of a horse collar tackle, do not deserve so much trust ..... The tackle was big, strong, physical Trey Pugh Manhandling strong, athletic Ben Spaulding. It was the furthest thing from a horse collar tackle. Was it aggressive? Yes. Violent? Yes. Extremely physical? Yes. But it was also football. The BV sideline freaked as did one of the BV assistants who made a jerk of himself by running out on the field ..... An action which might very well have precipitated the post game difficulties. (The guys an out of control idiot and has no place on any sideline). As a BV (and MOAC Fan) I apologize for the actions by our community and coaching staff, for actions at last year's Harding game and this past Friday night at Alder. Sincerely sorry.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 4, 2016 7:38:17 GMT -5
Fair enough. As I said I wasn't at the game so just going off what I was told.
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Post by presnapread on Oct 4, 2016 7:58:08 GMT -5
Baseballdad ....
A few comments about ignorance and this past Friday night at JA ..... Or, for what it's worth, any Friday night anywhere at a high school football game. The pass interference call, BV people raised all kinds of a ruckus cause it wasn't a automatic first down. IN HIGH SCHOOL IT"S NOT AN AUTOMATIC FIRST DOWN. Know the rules people, particularly Mom's and Dad's .... 3rd and 19, pass interference, accept the penalty, walk off your 15 yards from the LOS/original spot and it's now 3rd and 4. In HS there's no "box" the QB can be out of and ground the ball, there's no "uncatchable" ball. The rules of the game you watch on Saturday and Sunday, sometimes don't apply on Friday night. Plus, there are fairly specific rules concerning a horse collar tackle. It's bad enough for coaches when Mommy and Daddy think they know everything and that their coaches know nothing .... They have no idea what little "Billy" does or does not do or know when it comes to the game and the way he practices .... Don't make yourself a bigger idiot than you already are by raising Cain and yelling about something in the rule book that you're ignorant of.
Baseballdad .... Nothing against you sir, LOL, Friday night was pretty frustrating, from the perspective of someone with a knowledge of the rules of the game. It was also frustrating watching some of the people on the BV sideline and in the BV stands. Oh well.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 4, 2016 8:12:02 GMT -5
Every school has them unfortunately. I see it a lot in other sports too. Most people would be astounded at the number of rules they think they know and actually don't. I honestly don't have a dog in the hunt as far as the football team goes. My kid goes to BV but doesn't play so most of the time I'm just a casual observer. I do take some offense at some of the shots at BV as a school and a community because it's a good place on both accounts. We have no more bad apples than any other place. If the assistant you're referring to is the one I'm thinking it is, I totally agree the man has no place coaching youth of any kind. Again, I missed the game so I'll reserve judgement, but there are some things I'll pay more attention to going forward. Honestly, I think my preseason assessment of BV was pretty spot on. My biggest concern was leadership and discipline and both have been an issue.
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Post by babymaker on Oct 4, 2016 9:02:04 GMT -5
Horse collar is so randomly called by officials I have seen a few that should have been called a horse collar and were not yet others that were clearly not a penalty called. So I get how fans, kids, and coaches can get confused.
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Post by warhorse on Oct 4, 2016 20:17:41 GMT -5
A few comments about ignorance and this past Friday night at JA ..... Or, for what it's worth, any Friday night anywhere at a high school football game. The pass interference call, BV people raised all kinds of a ruckus cause it wasn't a automatic first down. IN HIGH SCHOOL IT"S NOT AN AUTOMATIC FIRST DOWN. Know the rules people, particularly Mom's and Dad's .... 3rd and 19, pass interference, accept the penalty, walk off your 15 yards from the LOS/original spot and it's now 3rd and 4. In HS there's no "box" the QB can be out of and ground the ball, there's no "uncatchable" ball. The rules of the game you watch on Saturday and Sunday, sometimes don't apply on Friday night. Plus, there are fairly specific rules concerning a horse collar tackle. It's bad enough for coaches when Mommy and Daddy think they know everything and that their coaches know nothing .... They have no idea what little "Billy" does or does not do or know when it comes to the game and the way he practices .... Don't make yourself a bigger idiot than you already are by raising Cain and yelling about something in the rule book that you're ignorant of. Baseballdad .... Nothing against you sir, LOL, Friday night was pretty frustrating, from the perspective of someone with a knowledge of the rules of the game. It was also frustrating watching some of the people on the BV sideline and in the BV stands. Oh well. long time reader, way back to JJ days, but never a poster. Probably my one and only too. I think I know the town of Galion quite well after reading all the MOAC posts on here. LOL. so,, wow, pretty brutal assessment from a supposed BV Fan. I don't know, but this sounds so very personal to me, cause I've not seen idiotic attitudes from any coaches to this point. I mean why else would you call a coach an out of control idiot, or whatever you said, unless you yourself, have an agenda. For a dude sitting in the stand and ranting about parents rants toward officials seems a bit small of you. I guess other parents aren't entitled to complain since you are the only one smart enough. And, yes you sound like you know more than the average mommy and daddy, but that's not hard to do. If you've been to any youth thru HS game, regardless of the sport, MOST parents, know little to nothing and just cheer and scream about everything little Johnny does. Quite funny at times, but thats on them if they wanna look like fools. So with all football brilliance you seem to possess, I'd advise you to take your knowledge to the HS program and help those idiots out, or even better, to the BVMS football team, cause I hear those fellas are running a straight up rec-ball clown show. LOL. Grapevines have long reaches. I hear they could use some new and improved football wisdom. So back to the JA Game. I didn't personally see the plays in question good enough to know what was a good or bad call, except the BV kid getting tossed out of the game..for...what some of you said were punches... lol... Come on guys, take off the homer glasses. I didn't think it was Pass Interference in the 4th Quarter on JA either. But what do I know, I didn't pass the Officiating Class, but I can see. I do know, Officials don't have agenda's (well except some NBA and NCAA football ones), and they didn't make the game go one way or another. Now about that Scoreboard. Oh how I hope to never watch another game, without a working scoreboard.. That was brutal. Best of luck to both teams going forward. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 5, 2016 0:02:42 GMT -5
Watched the highlights from pugh in bv game, man is he tough to bring down. But that was in fact a horse collar from my view. In my opinion. And it happened twice.
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Post by presnapread on Oct 5, 2016 7:56:43 GMT -5
warhorse
"or even better, to the BVMS football team, cause I hear those fellas are running a straight up rec-ball clown show. LOL. Grapevines have long reaches. I hear they could use some new and improved football wisdom."
One team is 4-2 the other is 5-0-1. Yup, sounds like a "Rec-ball clown show" to me.
Now who sounds like they have an agenda?
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Post by babymaker on Oct 5, 2016 10:22:54 GMT -5
Watched the highlights from pugh in bv game, man is he tough to bring down. But that was in fact a horse collar from my view. In my opinion. And it happened twice. Where did you see the play at? |
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Post by 4 on Oct 5, 2016 12:43:02 GMT -5
His hudl.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 13:26:05 GMT -5
Is the play in question the next to last play of the video? If so I would say it wasn't a horse collar, but it was definitely a tackle by the neck. Not sure of the NFHS rule here, but that is absolutely a penalty in higher levels of football for contact to the head or neck. Whether it should have been called a penalty or not, I'm calling it a dirty play by what seems like a good kid. Did he mean to tackle Spaulding like that-don't know. He clearly had plenty of opportunity to not grab high in that situation though. I would also compare it to the play shown about the 55 second mark. Looks like BV was flagged for a horse collar on Pugh, and that tackle didn't look nearly as bad as the one on Spaulding. I can kind of understand why the BV coaches were upset about it at least.
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Post by 4 on Oct 5, 2016 13:30:56 GMT -5
I agree. And 2 plays the tackle out of bounds looked to be high on the neck. Wasn't called who knows why.
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Post by babymaker on Oct 5, 2016 15:42:30 GMT -5
I got sent a link on that play... let me say that it looked to me that he grabbed the shoulder pad from the front. I didn't see a cheep shot or a horse collar at all. Sorry
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