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Post by babymaker on Oct 5, 2016 15:46:47 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 5, 2016 19:23:54 GMT -5
By rule, not a horse collar.
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Post by hardingmavman on Oct 5, 2016 19:51:27 GMT -5
Baseballdad Buckeye01 is QUITE correct, the people you trust, at least when it comes to their knowledge of a horse collar tackle, do not deserve so much trust ..... The tackle was big, strong, physical Trey Pugh Manhandling strong, athletic Ben Spaulding. It was the furthest thing from a horse collar tackle. Was it aggressive? Yes. Violent? Yes. Extremely physical? Yes. But it was also football. The BV sideline freaked as did one of the BV assistants who made a jerk of himself by running out on the field ..... An action which might very well have precipitated the post game difficulties. (The guys an out of control idiot and has no place on any sideline). As a BV (and MOAC Fan) I apologize for the actions by our community and coaching staff, for actions at last year's Harding game and this past Friday night at Alder. Sincerely sorry. So im going to be alittle behind but what exactly happened last year during the Harding game? can anyone explain? |
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 21:50:41 GMT -5
It was a very emotional game on both sides. Both teams had an opportunity to win and emotions were high on both sides at the end. Harding was understandably very disappointed and BV was understandably very high after the game. As the game ended the BV students gathered on the sideline as has somewhat become tradition on senior night. As the beginnings of the handshake line started to peel off the BV players headed for the students who moved on onto the field to meet them. The problem was not all of the Harding players had cleared the area. Just due to numbers of people in a small area there was some bumping that turned into some pushing and shoving. It was a bad situation that honestly could have been worse but thankfully wasn't. There was fault to be found on both sides and as I've already said I mostly blame the BV administrators for not having a tighter control. I was told the administrators talked the next Monday and both sides were satisfied that while things could have been handled better, it was not due to malice or a purposeful intent to incite anything. Imo, it was just a product of the high emotions of the night.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 21:53:51 GMT -5
I got sent a link on that play... let me say that it looked to me that he grabbed the shoulder pad from the front. I didn't see a cheep shot or a horse collar at all. Sorry See I see a grab of the neck. That's what I'm basing my judgement on. I could be wrong and certainly were not talking HDTV here. I do agree it's not a horse collar by definition but it's still a personal foul in my opinion. Of course my opinion doesn't mean much here. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 5, 2016 22:37:04 GMT -5
And a punch was thrown by a bv student and some Harding players went after em but were restrained. I seen that as I was on the sideline shooting footage.
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Post by 4 on Oct 5, 2016 22:39:47 GMT -5
But it was a great game. Harding penalties ruined there chance to win basically. But it'll be another great matchup this year.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 5, 2016 23:03:03 GMT -5
That matchup is a couple weeks away and a lot could happen but right now if I had to predict, I'd say Harding wins this year by at least 10. I said before the year they were a sleeping giant if they could play disciplined football. They may have had the best skill position players I saw last year but they were undisciplined all around. I haven't seen them personally yet but they seem to be doing just that. Really wish I could see the alder-Harding game this week.
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Post by 4 on Oct 5, 2016 23:07:07 GMT -5
It's gonna be a packed house. Couple thousand atleast. Homecoming night. It's biggest game in Harding football modern day, since 03. The seniors have this year have stepped up and became leaders. I think better then last years. That's the difference I'd say. And the skilled position players have gotten better and added a player from pleasant which was probably there best player.
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Post by gatesofbabylon25 on Oct 6, 2016 15:01:56 GMT -5
I was there on BV side. It was just a violent tackle by a very talented,stronger player. The pass interference was the right call. It probably saved a TD and wasn't a 1st down after penalty. And yes the BV side went nuts thinking it was an automatic 1st down. Braxton deserved to be kicked out. The week before #40 was kicked out and shouldn't have been. He was shoved into a pile on a KO return after the whistle, and he pushed back. 2nd person always gets caught. Officiating has been bad for years, it's worse in basketball in the MOAC
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 6, 2016 17:32:11 GMT -5
I got sent a link on that play... let me say that it looked to me that he grabbed the shoulder pad from the front. I didn't see a cheep shot or a horse collar at all. Sorry See I see a grab of the neck. That's what I'm basing my judgement on. I could be wrong and certainly were not talking HDTV here. I do agree it's not a horse collar by definition but it's still a personal foul in my opinion. Of course my opinion doesn't mean much here. NOT a "grab of the neck". I have no dog in the fight. What was grabbed was the shoulder pad shield, the hard plastic part that flops AND the jersey. The part that you will often see sticking out of the jersey. It must be put back in, it is considered an injury issue to other players if outside the jersey. As you admit, it was not a "horse collar". By your definition, any tackle made by grabbing the jersey and throwing the player to the ground must be called a personal foul. The wussification of football. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 6, 2016 17:35:01 GMT -5
I was there on BV side. It was just a violent tackle by a very talented,stronger player. The pass interference was the right call. It probably saved a TD and wasn't a 1st down after penalty. And yes the BV side went nuts thinking it was an automatic 1st down. Braxton deserved to be kicked out. The week before #40 was kicked out and shouldn't have been. He was shoved into a pile on a KO return after the whistle, and he pushed back. 2nd person always gets caught. Officiating has been bad for years, it's worse in basketball in the MOAC I'm sure you could improve officiating if you got a license. |
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Post by gatesofbabylon25 on Oct 7, 2016 4:53:57 GMT -5
I was there on BV side. It was just a violent tackle by a very talented,stronger player. The pass interference was the right call. It probably saved a TD and wasn't a 1st down after penalty. And yes the BV side went nuts thinking it was an automatic 1st down. Braxton deserved to be kicked out. The week before #40 was kicked out and shouldn't have been. He was shoved into a pile on a KO return after the whistle, and he pushed back. 2nd person always gets caught. Officiating has been bad for years, it's worse in basketball in the MOAC I'm sure you could improve officiating if you got a license. I COULDNT do any worse |
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 7, 2016 7:21:51 GMT -5
Willard Fillmore, I just don't see it that way. I see a grab of the NECK, not the jersey. I'm not arguing with anybody that sees it differently. I'll freely admit I wasn't the one standing 10 feet away from the play either. I, unlike some others, can understand and appreciate that different people can look at the same thing and see different things. IF he grabbed him by the neck as I see it, it should have been a penalty regardless of whether it was a "horse collar". IF he grabbed him by the jersey, it was a hard violent and LEGAL tackle which I would have no issue with. Its just not how I see the play from the angle in the video.
As for your wussification comment, you'd better just accept that things that were legal and accepted 20-30 years ago in football are gone. Either the sport adapts to the changing landscape of injury concerns especially with the head and neck, or it will fade away. Whether you like it or not, it's fact. There's certain things that I don't like about that, but then when I watch a DB launch themselves at a defenseless receiver and lead with their head, I get it. It's going to happen regardless of what any one of us thinks. You can either accept it and move on or be miserable about it.
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Post by presnapread on Oct 7, 2016 7:27:50 GMT -5
baseballdad
As usual, excellent points.
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Post by baseballdad on Oct 7, 2016 11:45:27 GMT -5
Thanks! 😀 I make a little sense every now and then. Lol
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Post by babymaker on Oct 7, 2016 11:56:48 GMT -5
It's gonna be a packed house. Couple thousand atleast. Homecoming night. It's biggest game in Harding football modern day, since 03. The seniors have this year have stepped up and became leaders. I think better then last years. That's the difference I'd say. And the skilled position players have gotten better and added a player from pleasant which was probably there best player. Best player??? He wasn't starting on either side of the ball when he left. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 7, 2016 13:50:17 GMT -5
He was a freshman lol, he would start for them on both sides now and lead them in tackles and receptions probably. He has 6 sacks I think already. He got a lot better over the offseason and bigger. He played a lot for them as only a freshman
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Post by babymaker on Oct 7, 2016 13:53:18 GMT -5
He was a freshman lol, he would start for them on both sides now and lead them in tackles and receptions probably. He has 6 sacks I think already. He got a lot better over the offseason and bigger. He played a lot for them as only a freshman You don't understand... He left because he was not starting this year... He left after the 1st scrimmage. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 7, 2016 14:39:51 GMT -5
That's just there stupidity then lol, I mean he leads the moac in sacks for a reason.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 7, 2016 14:47:55 GMT -5
He was a freshman lol, he would start for them on both sides now and lead them in tackles and receptions probably. He has 6 sacks I think already. He got a lot better over the offseason and bigger. He played a lot for them as only a freshman You don't understand... He left because he was not starting this year... He left after the 1st scrimmage. If he left after the 1st scrimmage, and the reason given was "not starting this year". Then by rule he should not have played in the first 5 games. |
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Post by 4 on Oct 7, 2016 14:56:32 GMT -5
He Lives in district and open enrollment. So I believe it doesn't affect it.
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Post by babymaker on Oct 7, 2016 15:54:09 GMT -5
Not sure the whole enrollment deal but I do know that he was legally moved into Harding.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 7, 2016 22:51:05 GMT -5
It can not be as you described. If you REALLY open enroll or move after the first scrimmage of your freshman year and you played in that scrimmage, you must sit the 1st five games. No one checked, no one reported or someone was dishonest.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 7:11:51 GMT -5
Actually once the papers have been filed with OHSAA, if they feel your move is for a legit reason they can wave the automatic suspension. So a player can play at one school in high school and possible play right away at another.
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Post by tjames on Oct 8, 2016 8:58:16 GMT -5
It can not be as you described. If you REALLY open enroll or move after the first scrimmage of your freshman year and you played in that scrimmage, you must sit the 1st five games. No one checked, no one reported or someone was dishonest. I believe you are incorrect. Read bylaw 4-7-2, exception 9. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 8, 2016 13:18:42 GMT -5
I have read the Bylaws many many times.
As I said, then what was described was incorrect. Unless I missed it, no one was specific about his parents living in the Harding District, had Open Enrolled into another District and then returned to the Harding District. AND, as was CLEARLY stated, the reason given for going back to Harding was that "he wasn't a starter at the other District". If that's the case, then his parents had to be untruthful. As the Bylaw says there are many reasons to move these days, but being unhappy about playing time is not one of them as far as the OHSAA is concerned. Having played in a scrimmage at the other District is problematic.
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Post by 4 on Oct 8, 2016 14:28:31 GMT -5
I believe he was going to Harding anyways
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Post by usa70pp on Oct 8, 2016 15:00:56 GMT -5
The word I've heard around is that he was a cancer in the locker room.
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Post by tjames on Oct 8, 2016 16:15:21 GMT -5
Willard, how are his parents being untruthful? Unless I'm looking at an outdated form, there's no reason required for the Exception 9 transfer.
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