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Post by crimsonblooded on May 28, 2021 11:45:51 GMT -5
No that has been established from other comments that when Shelby left Willard had to go to the Bay and I accept it after all. But I’m excited about one of the smaller schools coming to the Bay now with the exit of Oak Harbor. Willard will get a game with Margaretta or Lakota. Maybe a in a few years more River schools will be bumped up to the Bay and Willard could get Gibsonburg and Woodmore. I think if we could get really small schools in the River we could get more of the Bigger River schools in the Bay and bump Port Clinton to the Lake and make a really nice division for Willard. Thanks for your input, I’m going with the up lifted outlook and whether you want credit or not you have motivated my new direction of positivity. I wouldn't get your hopes up of a river school moving to the Bay... I'd say Willard's best hope is an acceptance to the N10 right now, which I think they would fit nicely into Yeah I actually realize this being the reality, I guess my comments stem from several other topics on the same issue. It started with the N10 and some saying why didn’t the SBC accommodate Willard in the River. I started out not really on the Willard Football program issue other than it affecting Willards decision for staying in SBC or leaving and my children’s sports which isn’t football. Being asked questions I try to respond with my limited knowledge of Willard administration point of view. Personally being neutral on it as I understand Football is king in high school decision making. (Is what it is) Then I was informed it was the right move to put Willard up from River to Bay. Ok we were the biggest enrollment school but now that Oak Harbor is leaving it doesn’t seem to be the same rules. Which is what I was kinda implying to start with. (It was really in good humor and making a point)So I made a comment for fun on this topic of the point used against Willard but now is off the table (which I already knew was the way it was gonna be) So maybe I didn’t articulate it very well but the picture coming to fruition all the same. Willard isn’t gonna be dealt with in any consistent manner. So Willard is looking for a football conference where they can have some competitive games and try and be 500. But as long as we have this forum I will comment every so often. I do believe the River will remain in tact or split. I know Willard will never be in the River again. I believe the N10 will not take Willard because they will not take Marion Pleasant. Willard will be in the Bay and will lose every Bay game more than likely for years to come. My kids sports, mainly wrestling and girls tennis will be better off in the SBC and I’m good but Willard will always be looking for footballs sake.
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Post by sbclives on May 28, 2021 12:59:06 GMT -5
What if the N10 took in Willard and maybe another school who’s looking to move? I’m not saying there’s anyone else looking at the moment but maybe in a few years.
The middle 4 we will call them of Huron, Edison, PC and Vermilion want no part of being in the Lake. Could you imagine some of those beatings. Those 4 would much rather figure out a way to be a part of the River then have to go through the gauntlet of the Lake each week for football.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 28, 2021 13:14:01 GMT -5
What if the N10 took in Willard and maybe another school who’s looking to move? I’m not saying there’s anyone else looking at the moment but maybe in a few years. The middle 4 we will call them of Huron, Edison, PC and Vermilion want no part of being in the Lake. Could you imagine some of those beatings. Those 4 would much rather figure out a way to be a part of the River then have to go through the gauntlet of the Lake each week for football. They would probably get beat as bad as three of the four beat Willard 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by areafan1 on May 28, 2021 14:42:51 GMT -5
Am I understanding everything correctly! Margaretta and Lakota will not have to move up to the Bay. As well as Vermilion and Port Clinton will not have to ever move up to the Lake...... is that in the bylaws? asking for a Willard friend sorry, but I am tired of this Willard needs the river stuff. They also need to establish a program and support it. Its time to just embrace the uphill battle it is going to be instead of complain about who gets to be in the river and doesn't have to move up. Its time to find a way to improve instead of looking for it to get easier. Hell they were 0-11 last year. There is nowhere to go but up. Agree 100%
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 28, 2021 15:57:54 GMT -5
sorry, but I am tired of this Willard needs the river stuff. They also need to establish a program and support it. Its time to just embrace the uphill battle it is going to be instead of complain about who gets to be in the river and doesn't have to move up. Its time to find a way to improve instead of looking for it to get easier. Hell they were 0-11 last year. There is nowhere to go but up. Agree 100% Perfect, good point
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 28, 2021 16:40:07 GMT -5
The irony is, Willard basketball would want no part of the River. Yet Willard football desperately needs the River. A true conundrum, as in all the years dating back to JJ, I've never before run across this issue.
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Post by falcon87 on May 28, 2021 19:56:27 GMT -5
The irony is, Willard basketball would want no part of the River. Yet Willard football desperately needs the River. A true conundrum, as in all the years dating back to JJ, I've never before run across this issue. 3rd out of 6 in XC (during soccer) and last in track for boys in the Bay Div. Basketball is strong, what about the rest of the teams?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 28, 2021 20:42:19 GMT -5
I'm big on the "Olympic" sports, as Gene Smith calls them, but as the case is at Ohio State to a lesser degree..... Football and basketball pay the bills in high school.
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Post by crimsonblooded on May 28, 2021 20:51:19 GMT -5
I'm big on the "Olympic" sports, as Gene Smith calls them, but as the case is at Ohio State to a lesser degree..... Football and basketball pay the bills in high school. Especially Football, Willard’s Football still makes more money than their basketball
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Post by dc20 on Jun 1, 2021 15:52:30 GMT -5
What if the N10 took in Willard and maybe another school who’s looking to move? I’m not saying there’s anyone else looking at the moment but maybe in a few years. The middle 4 we will call them of Huron, Edison, PC and Vermilion want no part of being in the Lake. Could you imagine some of those beatings. Those 4 would much rather figure out a way to be a part of the River then have to go through the gauntlet of the Lake each week for football. PC has done their share of playing the lake schools since the split, they scrimmage Tiffin this year, then play Bellevue an Perkins in regular season. Also last year played Tiffin, Perkins, an Sandusky. With that being said by the time 23/24 comes an O.H. leaves im guessing the bay an river part of the conference is going to look drastically different.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jun 2, 2021 11:32:20 GMT -5
What if the N10 took in Willard and maybe another school who’s looking to move? I’m not saying there’s anyone else looking at the moment but maybe in a few years. The middle 4 we will call them of Huron, Edison, PC and Vermilion want no part of being in the Lake. Could you imagine some of those beatings. Those 4 would much rather figure out a way to be a part of the River then have to go through the gauntlet of the Lake each week for football. no i can't imagine .. maybe two "bad beatings" a year ago (tiffin bellevue) who else would beat us bad?
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Post by sbclives on Jun 2, 2021 14:17:24 GMT -5
In certain years I think Clyde, Norwalk and Sandusky would take it to Huron. And I’m not saying just Huron cause I know Vermilion and Edison would more then likely take some beat downs as well. At some point Willard will find another home which would make Edison the next smallest and I don’t think they’d want to play the Lake schools each week in football.
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Post by sportsvideo on Jun 2, 2021 16:38:14 GMT -5
In certain years I think Clyde, Norwalk and Sandusky would take it to Huron. And I’m not saying just Huron cause I know Vermilion and Edison would more then likely take some beat downs as well. At some point Willard will find another home which would make Edison the next smallest and I don’t think they’d want to play the Lake schools each week in football. certain years everyone has their *** handed to them.. but lets not say afraid to play them.. ive made it clear that a 10 team league is stupid.. so for the next 100 years we are going to play the same 9 schools over and over and over and over ..yawn! i like to change it up every now and then.. football is land locked in a 10 game schedule.. no wiggle room at all..
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Post by sbclives on Jun 2, 2021 21:59:49 GMT -5
I agree with an 8 school league is far better then 10. If you try to do though someone is left hanging without a league to be in.
I think a solid 8 school league could look like this.
Huron Edison Vermilion Port Clinton Perkins Clyde Bellevue Norwalk
But then that leaves Sandusky and Tiffin Columbian without a home.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2021 19:15:52 GMT -5
I agree with an 8 school league is far better then 10. If you try to do though someone is left hanging without a league to be in. I think a solid 8 school league could look like this. Huron Edison Vermilion Port Clinton Perkins Clyde Bellevue Norwalk But then that leaves Sandusky and Tiffin Columbian without a home. This looks like a solid league to me. And I think most if not all of these schools would go for it
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Post by sbclives on Jun 4, 2021 22:05:35 GMT -5
I agree with an 8 school league is far better then 10. If you try to do though someone is left hanging without a league to be in. I think a solid 8 school league could look like this. Huron Edison Vermilion Port Clinton Perkins Clyde Bellevue Norwalk But then that leaves Sandusky and Tiffin Columbian without a home. This looks like a solid league to me. And I think most if not all of these schools would go for it With how things are going I don’t see why any of them would say no to that. If you want something stable and with limited travel this is about as good as it gets right now. Like I said that leaves TC and Sandusky hanging and I’m not sure some of those schools would do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 5:18:08 GMT -5
This looks like a solid league to me. And I think most if not all of these schools would go for it With how things are going I don’t see why any of them would say no to that. If you want something stable and with limited travel this is about as good as it gets right now. Like I said that leaves TC and Sandusky hanging and I’m not sure some of those schools would do that. From what I gather, tiffin isn't well liked. And those bay teams don't want them. Sandusky has no real history with anyone besides maybe Perkins... But I don't see anyone losing sleep out of leaving them out
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Post by Observer on Jun 5, 2021 7:56:39 GMT -5
I agree with an 8 school league is far better then 10. If you try to do though someone is left hanging without a league to be in. I think a solid 8 school league could look like this. Huron Edison Vermilion Port Clinton Perkins Clyde Bellevue Norwalk But then that leaves Sandusky and Tiffin Columbian without a home. The big question is: will Bellevue and Norwalk, especially Bellevue, leave Tiffin with no home? Bellevue and Tiffin have a long history.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2021 12:54:06 GMT -5
This looks like a solid league to me. And I think most if not all of these schools would go for it With how things are going I don’t see why any of them would say no to that. If you want something stable and with limited travel this is about as good as it gets right now. Like I said that leaves TC and Sandusky hanging and I’m not sure some of those schools would do that. That's what those who left the NCC and formed a new league did to the best football and basketball schools in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 12:59:05 GMT -5
With how things are going I don’t see why any of them would say no to that. If you want something stable and with limited travel this is about as good as it gets right now. Like I said that leaves TC and Sandusky hanging and I’m not sure some of those schools would do that. That's what those who left the NCC and formed a new league did to the best football and basketball schools in the league. Yeah but the difference is tiffin isn't the best football school and Sandusky isn't the best basketball school
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2021 12:59:40 GMT -5
I agree with an 8 school league is far better then 10. If you try to do though someone is left hanging without a league to be in. I think a solid 8 school league could look like this. Huron Edison Vermilion Port Clinton Perkins Clyde Bellevue Norwalk But then that leaves Sandusky and Tiffin Columbian without a home. The big question is: will Bellevue and Norwalk, especially Bellevue, leave Tiffin with no home? Bellevue and Tiffin have a long history. I don't think Bellevue and Norwalk would feel like they need to be married to tiffin
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Post by fbfan on Jun 5, 2021 15:14:20 GMT -5
With how things are going I don’t see why any of them would say no to that. If you want something stable and with limited travel this is about as good as it gets right now. Like I said that leaves TC and Sandusky hanging and I’m not sure some of those schools would do that. That's what those who left the NCC and formed a new league did to the best football and basketball schools in the league. If you're referring to Galion in FB, then that's simply false. The best football team in the NCC at the time was Wynford (2-1 head to head), not Galion. As for basketball, in the short three year period (2011-2013) that Galion, and Upper were all in the ten team NCC together before it broke up, CC was 32-8, Buckeye Central was 30-10, Upper was 28-12 and Ontario was 21-4, all in league play. (Ontario actually left one year before the NCC broke up). So your statement and implication that the schools left the NCC to get away from the best teams, is not true for football, and debatable for basketball.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 5, 2021 22:46:42 GMT -5
Someone is giving you bad info.
When Galion was in the NCC Wynford lost twice as many NCC games than Galion did and Galion won twice as many NCC Titles than Wynford did.
The ONLY reason Ontario left a year before the NCC died is because they were told they were no longer wanted and a spot opened up in the NOL. So they didn't stick around to play the schools that were getting rid of them.
AND it is totally ignorant to only look at basketball the last 2 years Ontario was in the NCC. The last 14 years Ontario was in the NCC they won 11 of 14 League Titles. It doesn't any more dominate than that.
The runners could see the hand writing on the wall for the future of football, as Wynford won almost every league title before Galion came in and ALL NCC schools were REALLY tired of Ontario in basketball.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 6, 2021 6:55:11 GMT -5
Someone is giving you bad info. When Galion was in the NCC Wynford lost twice as many NCC games than Galion did and Galion won twice as many NCC Titles than Wynford did. The ONLY reason Ontario left a year before the NCC died is because they were told they were no longer wanted and a spot opened up in the NOL. So they didn't stick around to play the schools that were getting rid of them. AND it is totally ignorant to only look at basketball the last 2 years Ontario was in the NCC. The last 14 years Ontario was in the NCC they won 11 of 14 League Titles. It doesn't any more dominate than that. The runners could see the hand writing on the wall for the future of football, as Wynford won almost every league title before Galion came in and ALL NCC schools were REALLY tired of Ontario in basketball. Galion and Upper only played 3 years in the NCC. The only thing relevant to this SBC discussion is what happened in those three years when the NCC went to a 10 team league, since it was being discussed as a possible solution for the SBC. When further expansion was deemed impossible, yes, they could see the handwriting on the wall. Forced crossovers between the large and small schools of the NCC caused the demise of the NCC, not just getting rid of who some perceived as the best two schools. If that were the case, they would have canned Ontario long before that, as you point out.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jun 6, 2021 7:29:00 GMT -5
There was a time when I would have disagreed with the above statement but after seeing the N10 and MOAC function, this is exactly why the NCC imploded. Most of those forced crossover games were simply unwatchable. It’s a cautionary tale for the SBC, because if they go to 10 schools with 2 divisions and forced crossovers, it will implode faster than the NCC did.
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Post by sbclives on Aug 8, 2021 17:39:30 GMT -5
With it being about 11 days left till the 20th I thought we could talk some football for once. What’s everyone hearing about the teams they follow?
I seen on Edison’s Twitter page a few interviews that were done over the weekend and one of them was with Thomas Simon who is their 3rd year starting QB. He seems like a mature level headed young man. If there is one position you want returning it’s the QB but it’s not very often you see a 3rd year starter.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2021 19:30:31 GMT -5
With it being about 11 days left till the 20th I thought we could talk some football for once. What’s everyone hearing about the teams they follow? I seen on Edison’s Twitter page a few interviews that were done over the weekend and one of them was with Thomas Simon who is their 3rd year starting QB. He seems like a mature level headed young man. If there is one position you want returning it’s the QB but it’s very often you see a 3rd year starter. Edison will be solid this year, nice senior class they have. I see 8-2, maybe even 9-1
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Post by redskinfan04 on Aug 8, 2021 22:36:40 GMT -5
With it being about 11 days left till the 20th I thought we could talk some football for once. What’s everyone hearing about the teams they follow? I seen on Edison’s Twitter page a few interviews that were done over the weekend and one of them was with Thomas Simon who is their 3rd year starting QB. He seems like a mature level headed young man. If there is one position you want returning it’s the QB but it’s very often you see a 3rd year starter. Edison will be solid this year, nice senior class they have. I see 8-2, maybe even 9-1 How are the streaks looking? Nice core group of talent to work with.
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Post by sbclives on Aug 9, 2021 0:24:00 GMT -5
I remember the days that the Huron chatter filled this board up. Unless it’s sports video you hardly anything about the Tigers anymore.
Redskin, you have anything from over there in Ottawa county?
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Post by fbfan on Aug 9, 2021 6:58:00 GMT -5
With it being about 11 days left till the 20th I thought we could talk some football for once. What’s everyone hearing about the teams they follow? I seen on Edison’s Twitter page a few interviews that were done over the weekend and one of them was with Thomas Simon who is their 3rd year starting QB. He seems like a mature level headed young man. If there is one position you want returning it’s the QB but it’s very often you see a 3rd year starter. Edison will be solid this year, nice senior class they have. I see 8-2, maybe even 9-1 I thought Simon looked pretty good in their scrimmage with CC. Mobile with a strong arm. He has a nice big, athletic line in front of him also.
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