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Post by oldno72 on Sept 11, 2021 19:50:21 GMT -5
So Lucas beat Wynford 38-7 then Wynford beats Bucyrus 72-20. How bad is it when you let an average team score 72. When does Bucyrus wave the white flag and merge into Wynford? Just kidding. Wouldn’t want to offend the Redmen pride. Actually, Bucyrus has pretty much allready merged with Wynford. About 30% of their students open enroll there. The two schools should have been one 60 years ago. Probably would be better for the community to merge, but will probably never happen. Unfortunately for Bucyrus, continuing to lose many of your best students to Wynford and CCCC will make it very difficult, but not impossible, to become competitive again.
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Post by sbclives on Sept 11, 2021 20:27:16 GMT -5
So Lucas beat Wynford 38-7 then Wynford beats Bucyrus 72-20. How bad is it when you let an average team score 72. When does Bucyrus wave the white flag and merge into Wynford? Just kidding. Wouldn’t want to offend the Redmen pride. Actually, Bucyrus has pretty much allready merged with Wynford. About 30% of their students open enroll there. The two schools should have been one 60 years ago. Probably would be better for the community to merge, but will probably never happen. Unfortunately for Bucyrus, continuing to lose many of your best students to Wynford and CCCC will make it very difficult, but not impossible, to become competitive again. It’d probably save a lot of money not having to run two different schools in a small town. If they ever did combine they’d probably be a small div 3 or a bigger div 4 school. They would obviously have to find a new league to be in also.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 11, 2021 21:51:22 GMT -5
If that would ever happen, which is probably zero, they would be a great fit for MOAC. With both of them together, the would definitely be competive with Galion, and most of other schools. Shelby, at least in football, would still be a problem.
It should be noted that Bucyrus does have some athletes. They do have a good quarterback, He also has some nice receivers. However, the rest of the team, with a few exceptions, would be JV caliber at the Shelbys of the world, And, they have little size, and have no depth.
Numbers are also a real problem for them. I don’t think they even have a 7 th grade team this year, though I am not sure about that. When I attended there, we had around 200 kids a class. Now, the typical class is about 70 to 80.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 12, 2021 10:56:19 GMT -5
Actually, Bucyrus has pretty much allready merged with Wynford. About 30% of their students open enroll there. The two schools should have been one 60 years ago. Probably would be better for the community to merge, but will probably never happen. Unfortunately for Bucyrus, continuing to lose many of your best students to Wynford and CCCC will make it very difficult, but not impossible, to become competitive again. It’d probably save a lot of money not having to run two different schools in a small town. If they ever did combine they’d probably be a small div 3 or a bigger div 4 school. They would obviously have to find a new league to be in also. 60 years ago, Wynford and Colonel Crawford were the result of the merger of a number of school districts. Mt. Zion, Holmes Liberty, Nevada, Sulfur Springs, Whetstone, Leesville. I may have forgotten one or two. At the time Bucyrus was bursting at the seems and didn't want any more students. Times and demographics have changed. Would it be better for the community to merge? I think that first, Bucyrus needs to figure out why 400+ students open enroll to Wynford and CC and fix that. The majority do not do it for sports, and a merger should not happen because of sports, in my opinion. As for saving money, that has been debated before in the communities. I don't know what the answer is, there are a lot of variables. One thing I do know is that there are a lot of D6 and D7 school districts in Ohio that are right next to each other. Should they all merge also? It's not a simple question with a simple answer. I do know that the answer should not be "so we can be competitive in sports".
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Post by sbclives on Sept 12, 2021 11:43:49 GMT -5
I just think overall it’d be beneficial to the community as far as academics, financial stability and competitive in all sports. I think it’d be a win win for the town of Bucyrus if this were to happen. Like someone said a lot has changed in Bucyrus in the last 30 years that the need for two schools in Bucyrus isn’t needed anymore.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 12, 2021 12:43:34 GMT -5
Technically they are not IN Bucyrus even though the schools are about a mile apart. Wynford’s school district is geographically large. It extends nearly the entire length of Crawford County North to South and also as far west as Nevada. Bucyrus on the other hand is strictly the city. But there are neighborhoods on the edge that are Crawford or Wynford. That’s where the Bucyrus City School District shot themselves in the foot years ago when they didn’t want any more students.
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Post by sbclives on Sept 12, 2021 13:59:37 GMT -5
Technically they are not IN Bucyrus even though the schools are about a mile apart. Wynford’s school district is geographically large. It extends nearly the entire length of Crawford County North to South and also as far west as Nevada. Bucyrus on the other hand is strictly the city. But there are neighborhoods on the edge that are Crawford or Wynford. That’s where the Bucyrus City School District shot themselves in the foot years ago when they didn’t want any more students. Has Bucyrus had to reduce the number of buildings they use? I remember when Margaretta was going through a major decline in enrollment and had to shutdown the middle school and now just use the elementary and high school.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 14:44:59 GMT -5
If they merged would they be called Wynford Redmen, or Bucyrus Royals, Or the Guadians so these Yuppies are not offended.
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Post by sbclives on Sept 12, 2021 14:57:15 GMT -5
If they merged would they be called Wynford Redmen, or Bucyrus Royals, Or the Guadians so these Yuppies are not offended. Not surprising coming from someone who is offended with interracial couples. I would think Bucyrus Wynford Royals would be the way to go since both names are still being used and could just drop the Redmen name and put that to rest.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 12, 2021 15:08:58 GMT -5
Technically they are not IN Bucyrus even though the schools are about a mile apart. Wynford’s school district is geographically large. It extends nearly the entire length of Crawford County North to South and also as far west as Nevada. Bucyrus on the other hand is strictly the city. But there are neighborhoods on the edge that are Crawford or Wynford. That’s where the Bucyrus City School District shot themselves in the foot years ago when they didn’t want any more students. I pulled up an old Telegraph Forum on line from Newspapers.com. Mt Zion actually wanted to go into Bucyrus at the time, and the Bucyrus Board was open to it. However, from many stories the administration did not want them Talk about a short sided decision that has very long term effects
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 12, 2021 15:18:21 GMT -5
If they merged would they be called Wynford Redmen, or Bucyrus Royals, Or the Guadians so these Yuppies are not offended. Not surprising coming from someone who is offended with interracial couples. I would think Bucyrus Wynford Royals would be the way to go since both names are still being used and could just drop the Redmen name and put that to rest. My choice would be the Bucyrus Wynford Red Royals, with school colors of red white and blue
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Post by sbclives on Sept 12, 2021 15:25:49 GMT -5
Technically they are not IN Bucyrus even though the schools are about a mile apart. Wynford’s school district is geographically large. It extends nearly the entire length of Crawford County North to South and also as far west as Nevada. Bucyrus on the other hand is strictly the city. But there are neighborhoods on the edge that are Crawford or Wynford. That’s where the Bucyrus City School District shot themselves in the foot years ago when they didn’t want any more students. I pulled up an old Telegraph Forum on line from Newspapers.com. Mt Zion actually wanted to go into Bucyrus at the time, and the Bucyrus Board was open to it. However, from many stories the administration did not want them Talk about a short sided decision that has very long term effects I think there will be a major transformation in the north central part of Ohio. There are a lot of schools with enrollments declining quickly. Hurons lower levels are very small. Margaretta is still going through it. Bucyrus has a lot of students leaving it’s school. Who knows the effects this whole New London deal will have. In ten years I don’t think Vanlue will even have a school. Just to many schools with not enough bodies.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 12, 2021 15:26:11 GMT -5
I agree with FB fan. Sports are the least of Bucyrus’s issues. They need to fix the other problems, Scand stop the bleeding of students. If the do that, Sports will take care of themselves.
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Post by sbclives on Sept 12, 2021 15:58:01 GMT -5
I agree with FB fan. Sports are the least of Bucyrus’s issues. They need to fix the other problems, Scand stop the bleeding of students. If the do that, Sports will take care of themselves. I think it’s one of those situations where this has been a problem coming for years and no one did anything but watch it happen and now the dam has broke and it’s to late. It seems like it’s turning into a Willard where the losing culture has taken over and it’s just all coming apart.
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Post by usramfan on Sept 12, 2021 17:11:24 GMT -5
Potential increased success in athletics should never be a consideration for consolidation IMO.
And as others have alluded to, the fact that both the Colonel Crawford and Wynford district boundaries extend into the Bucyrus city limits does the Bucyrus district no favors and makes it more enticing for those families to open enroll to CC/Wynford.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 12, 2021 18:39:35 GMT -5
Technically they are not IN Bucyrus even though the schools are about a mile apart. Wynford’s school district is geographically large. It extends nearly the entire length of Crawford County North to South and also as far west as Nevada. Bucyrus on the other hand is strictly the city. But there are neighborhoods on the edge that are Crawford or Wynford. That’s where the Bucyrus City School District shot themselves in the foot years ago when they didn’t want any more students. Has Bucyrus had to reduce the number of buildings they use? I remember when Margaretta was going through a major decline in enrollment and had to shutdown the middle school and now just use the elementary and high school. They have reduced buildings. The high school was added onto and it is now the middle school and high school combined. The old middle school which was the old high school was completely renovated and it’s the sole elementary building. The elementary buildings closed although I think they use one of them for executive offices.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 12, 2021 18:42:47 GMT -5
Not surprising coming from someone who is offended with interracial couples. I would think Bucyrus Wynford Royals would be the way to go since both names are still being used and could just drop the Redmen name and put that to rest. My choice would be the Bucyrus Wynford Red Royals, with school colors of red white and blue I think they missed the mark in the early 2000’s when there was talk of merging all 6 school districts into 1 countywide school district with 2 high schools. They could have offered tons of curriculum and would have been perfectly set for the declining enrollments. It would have also saved the taxpayers a ton of money by not needing all the executive personnel. Nobody wanted to give up their identity so it never happened.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 12, 2021 19:03:41 GMT -5
Potential increased success in athletics should never be a consideration for consolidation IMO. And as others have alluded to, the fact that both the Colonel Crawford and Wynford district boundaries extend into the Bucyrus city limits does the Bucyrus district no favors and makes it more enticing for those families to open enroll to CC/Wynford. The geographical boundaries of the school districts are the same as they were at the inception of the rural consolidations.. Over the years the city has annexed new housing developments and expanded the city limits into the pre-existing Wynford and CC school districts. School districts do not automatically follow the city limits. The residents must vote to do so. Obviously, they have chosen not to. The houses in those areas have always been in the county school districts. That's not the problem. Since open enrollment was instituted, there has been a large exodus of students who still live within the city school district. The reason for that is what Bucyrus has to figure out. If they can, then maybe Bucyrus can convince some of those developments within the city limits to vote to change school districts.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 12, 2021 19:11:02 GMT -5
My choice would be the Bucyrus Wynford Red Royals, with school colors of red white and blue I think they missed the mark in the early 2000’s when there was talk of merging all 6 school districts into 1 countywide school district with 2 high schools. They could have offered tons of curriculum and would have been perfectly set for the declining enrollments. It would have also saved the taxpayers a ton of money by not needing all the executive personnel. Nobody wanted to give up their identity so it never happened. You're exactly right.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 12, 2021 19:14:36 GMT -5
My choice would be the Bucyrus Wynford Red Royals, with school colors of red white and blue I think they missed the mark in the early 2000’s when there was talk of merging all 6 school districts into 1 countywide school district with 2 high schools. They could have offered tons of curriculum and would have been perfectly set for the declining enrollments. It would have also saved the taxpayers a ton of money by not needing all the executive personnel. Nobody wanted to give up their identity so it never happened. Galion is the largest school in the county, with what, maybe 150 kids a class. Wynford is next with about 90 kids a class. Bucyrus and CC are around 80. BC and Crestline at about 50 each. That is what, about 500 kids per class in the whole county, plus parts of the counties that Wynford, BC and Galion go into. If you were planning a school system today, you would not make 6 districts. The real losers in this are the kids, who miss out on the additional educational opportunities. Two districts with 200 to 300 kids a class is not to big. Here in Licking County where I now live, about all of the schools are st least that size, and in some cases much bigger. And, about all of the schools have Much more opportunities for the kids. I don’t have a dog in this fight, since I no longer live there, But hey, we still got sports and tradition, so let’s not change a thing.
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Post by sbclives on Sept 12, 2021 19:24:25 GMT -5
I think they missed the mark in the early 2000’s when there was talk of merging all 6 school districts into 1 countywide school district with 2 high schools. They could have offered tons of curriculum and would have been perfectly set for the declining enrollments. It would have also saved the taxpayers a ton of money by not needing all the executive personnel. Nobody wanted to give up their identity so it never happened. You're exactly right. Sadly that’s what it comes down to most times in life. A lot of people much rather watch the ship sink rather then make a logical decision that is more then likely the right one. Just take a look at Vanlue who have seen the writing on the wall for a while but won’t accept it. Instead there were grown adults on Facebook blaming kids that there won’t be anything to do on Friday nights without football or that they wouldn’t have a school for much longer. How about do what’s right and cut your losses when you seen what was coming.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 12, 2021 19:41:19 GMT -5
Sadly that’s what it comes down to most times in life. A lot of people much rather watch the ship sink rather then make a logical decision that is more then likely the right one. Just take a look at Vanlue who have seen the writing on the wall for a while but won’t accept it. Instead there were grown adults on Facebook blaming kids that there won’t be anything to do on Friday nights without football or that they wouldn’t have a school for much longer. How about do what’s right and cut your losses when you seen what was coming. I don't know much about Vanlue, but I get your point. However, I don't think the situation around Bucyrus and their neighbors is quite the same. No one's ship is sinking financially. In this state, as long as the school meets standards and the taxpayers support their district, the voters, through their local school boards, have the right to determine their circumstances. The "Home Rule" concept. I agree with this. That's why I think it is up to Bucyrus to figure out why, and how to convince parents not to open enroll out of their their district.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 12, 2021 19:59:00 GMT -5
I think they missed the mark in the early 2000’s when there was talk of merging all 6 school districts into 1 countywide school district with 2 high schools. They could have offered tons of curriculum and would have been perfectly set for the declining enrollments. It would have also saved the taxpayers a ton of money by not needing all the executive personnel. Nobody wanted to give up their identity so it never happened. Galion is the largest school in the county, with what, maybe 150 kids a class. Wynford is next with about 90 kids a class. Bucyrus and CC are around 80. BC and Crestline at about 50 each. That is what, about 500 kids per class in the whole county, plus parts of the counties that Wynford, BC and Galion go into. If you were planning a school system today, you would not make 6 districts. The real losers in this are the kids, who miss out on the additional educational opportunities. Two districts with 200 to 300 kids a class is not to big. Here in Licking County where I now live, about all of the schools are st least that size, and in some cases much bigger. And, about all of the schools have Much more opportunities for the kids. I don’t have a dog in this fight, since I no longer live there, But hey, we still got sports and tradition, so let’s not change a thing. I think Galion only graduated between 100-120 last year. I think the 120 range is more realistic for them.
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Sept 12, 2021 20:03:05 GMT -5
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 12, 2021 20:03:05 GMT -5
Sadly that’s what it comes down to most times in life. A lot of people much rather watch the ship sink rather then make a logical decision that is more then likely the right one. Just take a look at Vanlue who have seen the writing on the wall for a while but won’t accept it. Instead there were grown adults on Facebook blaming kids that there won’t be anything to do on Friday nights without football or that they wouldn’t have a school for much longer. How about do what’s right and cut your losses when you seen what was coming. I don't know much about Vanlue, but I get your point. However, I don't think the situation around Bucyrus and their neighbors is quite the same. No one's ship is sinking financially. In this state, as long as the school meets standards and the taxpayers support their district, the voters, through their local school boards, have the right to determine their circumstances. The "Home Rule" concept. I agree with this. That's why I think it is up to Bucyrus to figure out why, and how to convince parents not to open enroll out of their their district. Bucyrus and Galion both lose a lot of students to the neighboring country districts. There seems to be a belief that their kids will get a better education in those districts than in the city district. I am the opposite in that I actually live in Crawford district but open enroll my daughter to Galion and am pleased with the education she receives. Don’t get me wrong, I think Northmor, Crawford, Wynford are good districts, but my wife and I made the right decision to send our daughter to Galion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 20:04:46 GMT -5
Galion and Bucyrus are hardly "city" districts. Mansfield Senior is a "city' district.
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 12, 2021 20:06:18 GMT -5
They are known as Galion City Schools and Bucyrus City Schools. At least the busses say that.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 20:10:44 GMT -5
In the 50's during the height of consolidations. Many thought Lexington and Ontario should consolidate. At the time they both had around 50 in a class.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 20:13:03 GMT -5
They are known as Galion City Schools and Bucyrus City Schools. At least the busses say that. And until just recently Ontario buses said "Springfield Local Schools", what ever that means.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 12, 2021 20:18:10 GMT -5
Sadly that’s what it comes down to most times in life. A lot of people much rather watch the ship sink rather then make a logical decision that is more then likely the right one. Just take a look at Vanlue who have seen the writing on the wall for a while but won’t accept it. Instead there were grown adults on Facebook blaming kids that there won’t be anything to do on Friday nights without football or that they wouldn’t have a school for much longer. How about do what’s right and cut your losses when you seen what was coming. I don't know much about Vanlue, but I get your point. However, I don't think the situation around Bucyrus and their neighbors is quite the same. No one's ship is sinking financially. In this state, as long as the school meets standards and the taxpayers support their district, the voters, through their local school boards, have the right to determine their circumstances. The "Home Rule" concept. I agree with this. That's why I think it is up to Bucyrus to figure out why, and how to convince parents not to open enroll out of their their district. I certainly agree with “Home Rule” and also agree that schools need to fix their own problems. Financially, the Schools got a windfall withe the CARES Act money, so none of them should be struggling in the near future. Having said that, it is difficult and very expensive to offer advance studies, advance mathematics, advance science, advance technology, multiple foreign languages, etc when you have small school populations. Thus. In small schools, some are offered, and some are not.
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Post by sbclives on Sept 12, 2021 21:04:34 GMT -5
Sadly that’s what it comes down to most times in life. A lot of people much rather watch the ship sink rather then make a logical decision that is more then likely the right one. Just take a look at Vanlue who have seen the writing on the wall for a while but won’t accept it. Instead there were grown adults on Facebook blaming kids that there won’t be anything to do on Friday nights without football or that they wouldn’t have a school for much longer. How about do what’s right and cut your losses when you seen what was coming. I don't know much about Vanlue, but I get your point. However, I don't think the situation around Bucyrus and their neighbors is quite the same. No one's ship is sinking financially. In this state, as long as the school meets standards and the taxpayers support their district, the voters, through their local school boards, have the right to determine their circumstances. The "Home Rule" concept. I agree with this. I guess for me I just don’t understand when a school has 10-15 kids a grade on average why you try to keep going when the end is near. Just cut up the district and have the kids go to other schools at that point. I also get a lot jobs are then gone and I wouldn’t want to see anyone lose their income. I’m in Kentucky now after living in Ohio for 34 years and done here there are some counties with smaller populations that have 1 school and some with just two. I just don’t get why in Ohio certain counties that have very small populations you need 5 or 6 different little schools.
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