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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 10, 2016 11:43:58 GMT -5
Hey Duckpond, I heard your boy Drew Grahl was named NW Ohio's athlectic director of the year. Me = mind blown. Hahaha
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Post by hsfootballnwo on Oct 11, 2016 0:01:54 GMT -5
Totally disagree ^^^. Been down this road before. A playoff appearance for OH would be huge after a 9 year drought. I don't care if they get crushed in round 1. Going to the playoffs was a regular thing for OH in the Quisno years. Maybe, just maybe a week 11 game would start to get the kids excited about playing football again. I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what makes you think this program will ever go anywhere under the current coaching regime? You realize that going to the playoffs, which would be a joke with a 5-5 or 6-4 record, and getting crushed accomplishes nothing more than giving people the false impression that things are heading in the right direction, correct? Playing in Week 11 wouldn't get people excited about playing again, only a coaching change would. If you can't get excited about playing during the first 10 weeks, why would that change in Week 11?
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 11, 2016 5:50:28 GMT -5
Let me clarify. I do NOT think the program will move forward with mike may, BUT a week 11 game no matter who they play is a big deal for any small town team. There are lots of blowouts in week 11, but making it is the goal and anything can happen on any Friday night. Nobody gave the 06 Rockets much of a chance vs Coldwater but OH crushed them. Its a long shot at best regardless. Trying to find something positive to build on because I seriously doubt may gets replaced anytime soon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 7:28:04 GMT -5
Hey Duckpond, I heard your boy Drew Grahl was named NW Ohio's athlectic director of the year. Me = mind blown. Hahaha Like I said earlier Drew comes a very respected family in Castalia and is a very nice guy, type of guy that your always happy to stop and have a 5 minute conversation with. In regards to his ability to be a A.D or Administrator, I have no idea and no dog in that fight. I will say that OH is starting to remind me of some d-1 colleges where "football is not the spoon and sugar for the sweet tea", schools still want the sweat taste it produces (money), they just don't want to invest in real sugar or a big spoon. You chew on that metaphor for awhile. lol
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 11, 2016 8:00:29 GMT -5
^^^ Good one, I like it and I think you're right on the money. I don't like how OH ( Drew ) has dumbed down the football schedule, but it seems to be the popular thing to do these days to win games instead of simply getting better. Grahl and may are super tight and I fully believe that is the only reason may is still head coach. Just my 2cents worth which does not mean a thing.
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Post by ohsnonline on Oct 11, 2016 20:43:51 GMT -5
1. I think a playoff would be a good thing, if they get there. I also agree that it wouldn't solidify that they are going in the "right" direction, just that they were in a down region this year and managed to get enough points from beating a really good Eastwood team. 2. Drew is a class act person. One of the best AD's I've been around in my 20 years of covering High School Sports. Always responds to messages, always provides accurate information when needed, communicates very well with media, etc. 3. I don't think they "dumbed" down the schedule. Sure, going from Ottawa Glandorf to Fostoria was a step down, but Fostoria is heading in a better direction under Kidwell and Fostoria is probably a better taste of OH's caliber than OG is. They also continue to play Eastwood and Genoa (two very tough schools year in and year out). The rest of things you can't change (within SBC, except maybe St. Joe, but I don't know if they have much to say about that, or not). 4. While football is mainly the "go to sport" in any school, Oak Harbor has one of the top boys and girls soccer teams in the state (we'll see what happens after graduations this season), some very good cross country runners, a GREAT swim program, a very good to great girls basketball team over the past few years, one of the top wrestling programs around, a tremendous softball program in the making and recently, a tremendous track-and-field program. I'm probably missing a few, but as a whole, I think the Rockets have a great Athletic program. The football team has 4 losses against teams like Clyde (6-1), Edison (6-1), Huron (2-5, but even Huron's schedule is very tough), and Genoa (5-2 now...and OH should be happy Genoa lost that 2nd game to Eastwood as that helped them in computer points). Looking at their wins (Eastwood 6-1 and state ranked) (Fostoria an improving team that will finish with 4 or 5 wins...fyi, OH would love to see them upset Genoa this weekend) (St. Joe - well, that wasn't even a game). In football, OH will have to replace a veteran QB starter next year (which is always a concern) and a few good key players, but looking at the who will return is promising if they all stay in the program.
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Post by outsider on Oct 12, 2016 11:56:22 GMT -5
1. I think a playoff would be a good thing, if they get there. I also agree that it wouldn't solidify that they are going in the "right" direction, just that they were in a down region this year and managed to get enough points from beating a really good Eastwood team. 2. Drew is a class act person. One of the best AD's I've been around in my 20 years of covering High School Sports. Always responds to messages, always provides accurate information when needed, communicates very well with media, etc. 3. I don't think they "dumbed" down the schedule. Sure, going from Ottawa Glandorf to Fostoria was a step down, but Fostoria is heading in a better direction under Kidwell and Fostoria is probably a better taste of OH's caliber than OG is. They also continue to play Eastwood and Genoa (two very tough schools year in and year out). The rest of things you can't change (within SBC, except maybe St. Joe, but I don't know if they have much to say about that, or not). 4. While football is mainly the "go to sport" in any school, Oak Harbor has one of the top boys and girls soccer teams in the state (we'll see what happens after graduations this season), some very good cross country runners, a GREAT swim program, a very good to great girls basketball team over the past few years, one of the top wrestling programs around, a tremendous softball program in the making and recently, a tremendous track-and-field program. I'm probably missing a few, but as a whole, I think the Rockets have a great Athletic program. The football team has 4 losses against teams like Clyde (6-1), Edison (6-1), Huron (2-5, but even Huron's schedule is very tough), and Genoa (5-2 now...and OH should be happy Genoa lost that 2nd game to Eastwood as that helped them in computer points). Looking at their wins (Eastwood 6-1 and state ranked) (Fostoria an improving team that will finish with 4 or 5 wins...fyi, OH would love to see them upset Genoa this weekend) (St. Joe - well, that wasn't even a game). In football, OH will have to replace a veteran QB starter next year (which is always a concern) and a few good key players, but looking at the who will return is promising if they all stay in the program. They will not continue to play that really good Eastwood team next year. Oak Harbor has decided that playing Woodmore would be better than playing Eastwood. So they swapped Ottawa Glandorf for Fostoria and Eastwood for Woodmore and continue to play Fremont St. Joe since they lost SMCC. Sounds like dumbing down the schedule to me. Oak Harbor's football and baseball programs are average at best and the boys basketball program is horrible and no one seems to be addressing that. I'm not really sure that they have a great Athletic program.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 12, 2016 13:07:12 GMT -5
The problem with "dumbing down" a schedule, is those teams will have to win if you actually beat them.
Take away the Eastwood win, they have 17 second level points. Drop Eastwood and play Woodmore, they have 3.5 2nd level points.
They play Calvert and Perkins next year in weeks 4 and 5. Probably not wins (Calvert is a toss up).
They don't beat Shelby, Port Clinton and Edison either.
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 12, 2016 13:17:07 GMT -5
Agree on all points by Outsider and Adam. OHSN will not hear any negative talk about OH sports and that's cool, everyone has their own opinion. Maybe take off those red and green glasses and face the obvious truth. Oak harbor's glory days in football are over.
WE ARE A SOCCER POWER THOUGH !!!
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Post by ohsnonline on Oct 12, 2016 16:38:38 GMT -5
Maybe because we need to stop being so negative as a people about HS kids and start praising them for the good they do. After all, it's an "extra curricular" activity. After long days in the classrooms, homework at night, jobs for some, family problems for others, these kids still take time to compete.
adam - I'll agree that the other sports are mediocre, but tell me a high school that is good in EVERY sport.
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Post by outsider on Oct 12, 2016 20:15:18 GMT -5
I am not nor have I heard anyone else be negative on the kids. Some of them are friends with my boys. I feel sorry for them. It's not the boys fault that they have poor coaches. These coaches cannot properly teach the game of football and are also not teaching these boys proper life lessons.
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 13, 2016 10:22:19 GMT -5
OHSN, do you NOT think the kids at PC, Clyde, Edison etc etc etc have the same issues It's the coaches and has always been the coaches since 2008 !!! No negativity has been thrown towards the OH kids. I am so glad I left OH and now live in an area where football still matters and great life lessons are taught by great coaches. I still have family and friends with kids in the program. That's why I care.
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Post by outsider on Oct 13, 2016 10:38:48 GMT -5
Good point sharon. PC is a perfect example. The kids that graduated last year couldn't win a football game to save their lives until PC brought in good coaches. I think that group of boys didn't win a game when they were in 7th and 8th grade. Did PC all of the sudden get an infusion of athletically gifted kids? No, they brought in a good head coach and a strong staff.
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Post by ohsnonline on Oct 13, 2016 11:33:09 GMT -5
Wow. How soon you all forget about Beau Carmon....
First, yes, PC did get a great class or two of athletes over the past few years and you'll notice in 2-3 years that this team won't be as good as they've been recently. Beau came in at a perfect time in the program.
Carmon was 8-22 in three years at Fostoria and 0-10 in his third season. This isn't a bash against Carmon, but if you're going to look at the entire picture, look at it.
He has continued to motivate a pretty strong class at PC, but like I said, give it 2-3 years and then let's revisit. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
So, you're glad you left and went to where football still matters, but name every school in your area and I'll show you some programs where it matters and some where it doesn't (according to your standards). The same with NW Ohio...there are some where it does and some where it doesn't (according to you it must be determined based on wins and losses).
Around kids all my life (two different jobs) I can tell you that I hear kids who say they love their coach and how they were great for them and kids who say they don't about the same coach. You have to take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 13, 2016 15:30:13 GMT -5
Wow. How soon you all forget about Beau Carmon.... First, yes, PC did get a great class or two of athletes over the past few years and you'll notice in 2-3 years that this team won't be as good as they've been recently. Beau came in at a perfect time in the program. Carmon was 8-22 in three years at Fostoria and 0-10 in his third season. This isn't a bash against Carmon, but if you're going to look at the entire picture, look at it. He has continued to motivate a pretty strong class at PC, but like I said, give it 2-3 years and then let's revisit. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. So, you're glad you left and went to where football still matters, but name every school in your area and I'll show you some programs where it matters and some where it doesn't (according to your standards). The same with NW Ohio...there are some where it does and some where it doesn't (according to you it must be determined based on wins and losses). Around kids all my life (two different jobs) I can tell you that I hear kids who say they love their coach and how they were great for them and kids who say they don't about the same coach. You have to take it with a grain of salt. You are right Beau did come at a perfect time in the program. It literally could not have been any more perfect timing for him to roll on in and inherit a dumpster fire that hadn't had a winning record since 1990. You have absolutely no comprehension of just how bad things were and the amount of work Beau had to do to not just win but create a functioning program. This isn't a fluke (much to everyone in Oak Harbor's dismay) and if you take a look down our program you'll see that our 10th through 6th grade classes are all solid groups with athlete's and size in them.
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Post by ohsnonline on Oct 13, 2016 17:06:54 GMT -5
I never said Carmon didn't have to work hard in the program. I'm saying that he worked hard PLUS had the talent.
For years, I've seen schools/teams with GREAT programs in 5th/6th grade thru JV but when they hit varsity it didn't stay. I very well could be wrong, I'm not going to argue about what MAY happen in the future, I'm just stating my opinion and I "think" that when we look back five years from now we'll see that the program will take a hit (slightly or more...who knows). I hope I'm wrong for Carmon's sake, for the kids at PC, and for their fan base.
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Post by outsider on Oct 13, 2016 19:14:37 GMT -5
Have to agree with Redskinfan on this one. The turn around in PC is about the coach, the hard work that he has put in and how he has gotten the kids to buy into his program.
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 14, 2016 7:02:55 GMT -5
OHSN take a look 10 short miles to the West. Genoa has become a regular playoff team. You think winning does not breed excitement and more participation ?? Those kids are no different than OH boys. I checked around here last night for you. None of the schools with losing records are screaming " but we have a great soccer and swimming program !!! " They are working hard to get better.
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Post by ohsnonline on Oct 14, 2016 8:50:38 GMT -5
You just answered it in part for yourself....
Genoa doesn't have a great soccer program, or a swim team, etc.
OH does have a great soccer program and there are several dozen kids who are athletes who are playing soccer instead of football. Winning in soccer has bred excitement and more participation in THAT program.
You checked around your area? Let me give you some NE Ohio information since you haven't been there long enough to really know....
1. The Bay Rockets are mediocre in football but very strong in boys soccer. Since that program has been built up in soccer their numbers are down and I have a friend who covers some of their football say the same type of switch from football to soccer has happened there in the past decade.
2. Rocky River Lutheran West - another traditional football program that is taking its lumps. Same size school as Oak Harbor, perhaps a shade smaller, that has gained popularity in boys soccer and now finding themselves ranked in the State. Football team is 2-5 overall and they aren't crying for coach Geye's head.
3. Mike Murphey at Richfield Revere is well loved as well, though his football program is starting to slide over the years as well while their soccer program gets bigger and stronger.
I could find a few more, but I'm sure you won't read it and comprehend that it's not ALWAYS about football. Sure, I'd love to see the Rockets 9-1 or 10-0 every year, who wouldn't. The kids would be thrilled, but the reality is that you don't have to be 9-1 or 10-0 to be a successful "school" or "athletic department" or "coaching system."
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Post by sharonpeters on Oct 14, 2016 10:20:35 GMT -5
Thanks for the big name schools you provided. As with Trump if you look hard enough you will find anything about anyone.
Soccer getting more popular reflects the continuing of the wussification of America. I'm sure I am not alone in this thought.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 14, 2016 18:30:06 GMT -5
There isn't one player on Ontario's District #1 seed soccer team that would make a difference on the football team. A bunch of 5-7 155 quick but not real fast kids who played soccer since they were in kindergarten. Most of Ontario's DBs and WRs are 6-0/6-2, 175-190.
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