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Post by 419bossman on Oct 1, 2023 13:45:52 GMT -5
Here are the Rankings after Week 7
1. Sandusky Perkins 6-0 2. Cleveland Glenville 5-1 3. Shelby 5-2 4. Galion 5-2 5. Van Wert 5-2 6. Bellevue 3-4 7. Wauseon 5-2 8. Millersburg West Holmes 5-2 9. Bryan 4-3 10. Caledonia River Valley 3-4 11. Oberlin Firelands 3-4 12. Lima Bath 4-3 13. Napoleon 3-4 14. Vermilion 3-4 15. St. Marys Memorial 3-4 16. Elyria Catholic 2-5
Teams looking on the Outside 17. Kenton 2-5 18. Cleveland Central Catholic 2-5 19. Upper Sandusky 3-4 20. Bellville Clear Fork 1-6 22. Fostoria 1-6
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Post by kritz on Oct 1, 2023 14:00:10 GMT -5
Perkins is going to steam roll somebody in rd 1.
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 1, 2023 16:23:52 GMT -5
I keep looking at this Region and think that only the top 2 teams are locks to win in the first round.
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 1, 2023 17:05:22 GMT -5
I keep looking at this Region and think that only the top 2 teams are locks to win in the first round. It might not happen but, I want to add that each team that will be in the Top 8 at the season's end has struggled this year and if they get a team that can be a mismatch could give them trouble.
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 8, 2023 9:21:37 GMT -5
Here are the Rankings after Week 8
1. Sandusky Perkins 7-0#% 2. Cleveland Glenville 5-3# 3. Millersburg West Holmes 6-2# 4. Shelby 6-2# 5. Caledonia River Valley 4-4 6. Van Wert 5-3 7. Galion 5-3 8. Bellevue 3-5 9. Wauseon 5-3 10. Napoleon 4-4 11. Oberlin Firelands 4-4 12. Bryan 5-3 13. Lima Bath 4-4 14. St. Marys Memorial 4-4 15. Cleveland Central Catholic 3-5 16. Vermilion 3-5
Teams looking on the Outside 17. Elyria Catholic 2-6 18. Upper Sandusky 4-4 19. Kenton 2-6 20. Fostoria 2-6 21. Bellville Clear fork 1-7
#- Clinched Playoff Spot %- Clinched Home Game(Top 4)
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 15, 2023 11:48:14 GMT -5
Here are the Rankings going into the Final Week
1. Sandusky Perkins 8-0#%@ 2. Shelby 7-2#% 3. Millersburg West Holmes 7-2#% 4. Cleveland Glenville 6-3#& 5. Galion 6-3# 6. Van Wert 6-3# 7. Wauseon 6-3# 8. Bellevue 4-5# 9. Caledonia River Valley 4-5# 10. Napoleon 5-4# 11. St. Marys Memorial 5-4# 12. Oberlin Firelands 5-4# 13. Bryan 5-4# 14. Cleveland Central Catholic 4-5 15. Lima Bath 4-5 16. Elyria Catholic 3-6
Teams looking on the Outside 17. Vermilion 3-6 18. Upper Sandusky 4-5 20. Bellville Clear Fork 1-8
#- Clinched Playoff Spot %- Clinched Home Game(Top 4) &- Clinched Home Game(Top 8) @- Clinched #1 Seed
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 15, 2023 13:00:22 GMT -5
There’s a chance Glenville is going to have to forfeit some wins this week. They’ll still have enough to scrape into the playoffs but some 1-4 seed could get a very rude surprise.
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Post by csk on Oct 15, 2023 14:11:14 GMT -5
What did they do? If it’s playing with ineligible players, I don’t get the forfeiture of wins. Should just be disqualified from postseason altogether. You can’t go back and redo/recalculate the standings. Playing with ineligible players would definitely be something done knowingly. You let the players come back, and just move Glenville down the seeding is no punishment IMO There’s a chance Glenville is going to have to forfeit some wins this week. They’ll still have enough to scrape into the playoffs but some 1-4 seed could get a very rude surprise.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 15, 2023 14:38:18 GMT -5
What did they do? If it’s playing with ineligible players, I don’t get the forfeiture of wins. Should just be disqualified from postseason altogether. You can’t go back and redo/recalculate the standings. Playing with ineligible players would definitely be something done knowingly. You let the players come back, and just move Glenville down the seeding is no punishment IMO There’s a chance Glenville is going to have to forfeit some wins this week. They’ll still have enough to scrape into the playoffs but some 1-4 seed could get a very rude surprise. You only forfeit games the ineligible players participated in. So Glenville would finish the year 3-6 which would be enough to get them in as a lower seed. That’s if the OHSAA decides to rule before the start of the playoffs. It’s also just as likely that they’ll drag this out then throw their hands up saying “they’d have made it in anyway” after the fact. More relevant to Perkins is how many of those kids get their eligibility restored after the residency review. So far two of them have returned after having been cleared. br]
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Post by 419bossman on Oct 15, 2023 14:50:37 GMT -5
Here's the bigger question what games if true and where did you get your information
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Post by sbclives on Oct 15, 2023 15:02:56 GMT -5
What did they do? If it’s playing with ineligible players, I don’t get the forfeiture of wins. Should just be disqualified from postseason altogether. You can’t go back and redo/recalculate the standings. Playing with ineligible players would definitely be something done knowingly. You let the players come back, and just move Glenville down the seeding is no punishment IMO There’s a chance Glenville is going to have to forfeit some wins this week. They’ll still have enough to scrape into the playoffs but some 1-4 seed could get a very rude surprise. I agree. Just like the NCAA having a team forfeit wins from years ago but the outcome will never change as the games have been played. Didn’t the TCC girls basketball team get eliminated from postseason play a year or two ago due to some issues?
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 15, 2023 15:03:19 GMT -5
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Post by redskinfan04 on Oct 15, 2023 15:08:44 GMT -5
What did they do? If it’s playing with ineligible players, I don’t get the forfeiture of wins. Should just be disqualified from postseason altogether. You can’t go back and redo/recalculate the standings. Playing with ineligible players would definitely be something done knowingly. You let the players come back, and just move Glenville down the seeding is no punishment IMO I agree. Just like the NCAA having a team forfeit wins from years ago but the outcome will never change as the games have been played. Didn’t the TCC girls basketball team for eliminated from postseason play a year or two ago due to some issues? If the team wins enough games with eligible players to qualify what’s it matter? Glenville wouldn’t be the first nor the last team to still qualify after playing ineligible players and forfeiting games.
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Post by buckeyefan73 on Oct 15, 2023 22:37:21 GMT -5
What did they do? If it’s playing with ineligible players, I don’t get the forfeiture of wins. Should just be disqualified from postseason altogether. You can’t go back and redo/recalculate the standings. Playing with ineligible players would definitely be something done knowingly. You let the players come back, and just move Glenville down the seeding is no punishment IMO There’s a chance Glenville is going to have to forfeit some wins this week. They’ll still have enough to scrape into the playoffs but some 1-4 seed could get a very rude surprise. dude just say you’re scared of Glenville lol.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 15, 2023 23:06:01 GMT -5
What did they do? If it’s playing with ineligible players, I don’t get the forfeiture of wins. Should just be disqualified from postseason altogether. You can’t go back and redo/recalculate the standings. Playing with ineligible players would definitely be something done knowingly. You let the players come back, and just move Glenville down the seeding is no punishment IMO dude just say you’re scared of Glenville lol. The youngster shooting from the hip. Being shy doesn't work around here
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Post by baldref on Oct 16, 2023 9:02:50 GMT -5
Below is the relevant part of the above conversation, from the Plain Dealer:
"In addition to Hawkins, a senior cornerback and transfer from Maple Heights, defensive end Kareem Jennings returned to the field for Glenville. Jennings, who transferred from Benedictine with fellow senior defensive tackle Divontae James and receiver Erik Cloud, sat out the last three weeks after the OHSAA reviewed their change of school.
Neither James nor Cloud played Thursday. Senior quarterback Ruel Tomlinson Jr., who transferred from Walsh Jesuit, sat out but remained present on the sideline. He watched with a jersey over a dress shirt and was accompanied by his parents during a halftime ceremony to recognize the team’s seniors."
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 16, 2023 11:11:59 GMT -5
Thanks to BellevueBuckeye pointing out to me over in MOAC/OCC land that Glenville has some potential forfeits on the horizon, I am bringing some info here.
I am not well-versed in the transfer eligibility rules. I did a few different scenarios to account for my lack of savvy in that arena.
As it stands, Glenville has 17.4375 Harbins.
Revised Harbins Under Given Scenarios, As of Week 9: - Forfeit first half of season, revised Harbins of 9.8125, which would make them a #12 seed as of Week 9. - Forfeit second half of season, revised Harbins of 7.6250, #14 seed.
Potential Harbins After Week 10 Win: - 1st half forfeit, revised Harbins of 13.2363, roughly an #8 seed based on Drew Pasteur Harbin projections - 2nd half forfeit, revised Harbins of 11.0056, roughly a #12 seed, via Drew Pasteur
Obviously, I do not know which games are slated for forfeiture (if such an outcome even happens), and there are a lot of ways the final seedings can shake out differently, but either of those two scenarios puts Glenville on a path to Perkins sooner than the Regional Finals.
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Post by csk on Oct 16, 2023 20:21:48 GMT -5
Well, for one, I’m not playing….so I’m not scared of anything. Secondly, the TCC girls were removed from tournament play for less. Lastly, as long as the players and coaches are confident, so am I. Thank you. What did they do? If it’s playing with ineligible players, I don’t get the forfeiture of wins. Should just be disqualified from postseason altogether. You can’t go back and redo/recalculate the standings. Playing with ineligible players would definitely be something done knowingly. You let the players come back, and just move Glenville down the seeding is no punishment IMO dude just say you’re scared of Glenville lol.
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Post by gtab on Oct 18, 2023 17:48:20 GMT -5
On the subject of Glenville:
It seems to me that the OHSAA, if it were on top of things, would have contingency plans in place if something like this were to happen. Surely there must be. Lack of discernable action implies that there must not be. Either that, or their investigation must not yet have been completed; meanwhile we all sit and wait. Sad.
I really don't "get" the "what do we do now" implications that are coming into play with the delay that seems to be occurring. I mean.......true leaders lead from the front and don't push from behind. I think we all need to know what the OHSAA intends to do; but all I'm hearing are crickets.
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Post by csk on Oct 18, 2023 18:56:56 GMT -5
Agreed. Just make a ruling. I’m good with them playing whoever is eligible, no forfeits. The vacating of wins is lame to me. I believe they still would have the same record they have now, regardless. They would’ve beaten Dinwiddie and Liberty with their current roster, and obviously lost the games they lost with the potentially ineligible players. Just move on at this point instead of dragging it out
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 20, 2023 21:55:28 GMT -5
River Valley losing 8-0 to Clear Fork was an interesting result. Will be interesting to see what that does to the seeding in the middle of the pack compared to Pasteur's projection.
Eitel still has a lot of games left to enter into the system, so a long way to go before we have a good idea what this region is looking like.
Also, has there been any news about the potential Glenville eligibility situation?
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 20, 2023 22:43:47 GMT -5
Region 14 seeding, as of 11:39pm. All win/losses for the R14 teams are entered. No idea if all the 2nd level points are factored in if any of those games aren't in yet.
1 Perkins vs 16 Elyria Catholic (can't escape this year, EC) 2 Glenville vs 15 Bath (nice 2 hour and 40+ minute drive for Bath) 3 Shelby vs 14 Cleveland Central Catholic 4 West Holmes vs 13 Bryan (over 3 hour drive for Bryan) 5 Galion vs 12 Firelands 6 Van Wert vs 11 River Valley (this game is interesting to me, which RV team shows up) 7 St. Marys vs 10 Wauseon 8 Napoleon vs 9 Bellevue
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 20, 2023 22:49:06 GMT -5
River Valley losing 8-0 to Clear Fork was an interesting result. I saw an image on Twitter of RV's field tonight. The one half of the field had as much mud as it did grass. Had to have been a slop fest.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 20, 2023 22:55:01 GMT -5
Region 14 seeding, as of 11:39pm. All win/losses for the R14 teams are entered. No idea if all the 2nd level points are factored in if any of those games aren't in yet. 1 Perkins vs 16 Elyria Catholic (can't escape this year, EC) 2 Glenville vs 15 Bath (nice 2 hour and 40+ minute drive for Bath) 3 Shelby vs 14 Cleveland Central Catholic 4 West Holmes vs 13 Bryan (over 3 hour drive for Bryan) 5 Galion vs 12 Firelands 6 Van Wert vs 11 River Valley (this game is interesting to me, which RV team shows up) 7 St. Marys vs 10 Wauseon 8 Napoleon vs 9 Bellevue Evidently 2nd level were factored. Bellevue will likely be home to Napoleon in 7-10 marchup
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 20, 2023 22:57:49 GMT -5
1 Perkins vs 16 Elyria Catholic (can't escape this year, EC) They actually did escape, by falling to 17 after Margaretta's win over Willard being entered bumped Vermilion into a trip to Perkins.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 20, 2023 23:07:22 GMT -5
1 Perkins vs 16 Elyria Catholic (can't escape this year, EC) They actually did escape, by falling to 17 after Margaretta's win over Willard being entered bumped Vermilion into a trip to Perkins. We already saw Perkins taking EC to the shed, Week 2. Let Vermilion have a shed taken to opportunity
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 20, 2023 23:42:13 GMT -5
I'll say this. I was incorrect and premature on my post. Joe Eitel, however, is never wrong. He is simply only ever eventually correct.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 20, 2023 23:44:59 GMT -5
I'll say this. I was incorrect and premature on my post. Joe Eitel, however, is never wrong. He is simply only ever eventually correct. that's why everyone has a boner when his site is updated by July
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 21, 2023 0:06:32 GMT -5
Amazing how miniscule and occasionally trivial the margins for playoffs can mean for someone like Vermillion.
Vermilion beat both Willard and Margaretta. The current (and I mean 1:05am current) difference for Vermillion earning a Week 11 game was as tiny as Margaretta beating D5 Willard instead of Willard beating D6 Margaretta.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Oct 21, 2023 0:11:00 GMT -5
Once Vermilion gets eliminated by Perkins, this part Erie County school will be 1-6 vs schools also at least Part Erie County
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