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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 12:07:56 GMT -5
For Richmond Heights, their record is 5-6, for a win percentage of .4545.
Weighted with the 40% in RPI, this means that RH is getting an RPI value of .1818 strictly from their win percentage.
Any undefeated team would have a .4000 in that same measure. The remaining components of Richmond Heights schedule generally makes up for that, but the only input is win percentage on those things.
If I look at Willard, they have opponents that are 9-1, 9-3, and 7-5. RPI likes that. What RPI doesn't do is tell you that Margaretta, Carey, and Ridgemont aren't the same as other 9-1, 9-3, and 7-5 teams on Richmond Heights schedule. It only discerns the win-loss totals, not school size.
(Give me a moment, I will do a full RPI breakout of Willard and RH to the best I can to outline this)
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 12:24:12 GMT -5
For Richmond Heights, their record is 5-6, for a win percentage of .4545. Weighted with the 40% in RPI, this means that RH is getting an RPI value of .1818 strictly from their win percentage. Any undefeated team would have a .4000 in that same measure. The remaining components of Richmond Heights schedule generally makes up for that, but the only input is win percentage on those things. If I look at Willard, they have opponents that are 9-1, 9-3, and 7-5. RPI likes that. What RPI doesn't do is tell you that Margaretta, Carey, and Ridgemont aren't the same as other 9-1, 9-3, and 7-5 teams on Richmond Heights schedule. It only discerns the win-loss totals, not school size. (Give me a moment, I will do a full RPI breakout of Willard and RH to the best I can to outline this) So the football comparison to the basketball RPI is worthless because you have Richmond Hgts playing very good competition and they get credit for it. But wining or losing does matter. Which I thought you were trying to say if a flaw of the RPI because it gives credit to ever game. In the end I feel that coaches wanted and voted for a metric ranking system that to human favoring out of the equation.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Jan 13, 2024 14:01:27 GMT -5
That's one of the main issues I have with RPI is the fact that playing up in divisions has no impact on RPI scores. I know Lex plays a lot of Div I schools traditionally. And they along with anyone that does like Wiiard playing Sandusky or Shelby playing Findlay should count for a little more.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 15:00:55 GMT -5
This is my look at RPI. I imagine there are a wrinkle or two that MaxPreps is shielding from how they do it, but this is my take on the known formula. It turns out, I was correct in that RPI is flawed. I was *NOT* correct in why it is flawed in the examples I was giving.
The 1st component of RPI is your win percentage. That is worth 40% of your total RPI score.
Willard is 10-2 Richmond Heights is 5-6 (though two of the games are against "non-varsity" opponents? I will not be including these, so say they are 3-6)
Willard's 1st component is .8333 win% * 40% = .3333 RH's 1st component is .3333 win% * 40% = .1333
The 2nd component of RPI is your opponents' win percentage. This is worth 35% of your total RPI score.
Willard's opponents have gone 70-57 this year. Their 2nd component would be .5512 * 35% weight = .1929 RH's opponents have gone 97-25 this year. Their 2nd component would be .7951 * 35% weight = .2783
The 3rd component of RPI is your opponents' opponents' win percentage. This is worth 25% of your total RPI score (this took forever, but hey science is science).
Willard's opponents' opponents went 619-631. Their 3rd component would be .4952 * 25% weight = .1238 RH's opponents' opponents went 868-611. Their 3rd component would be .5869 * 25% weight = .1467
Overall, Willard's RPI in this example is 0.6500 RH's is 0.5583
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 15:02:31 GMT -5
For Richmond Heights, their record is 5-6, for a win percentage of .4545. Weighted with the 40% in RPI, this means that RH is getting an RPI value of .1818 strictly from their win percentage. Any undefeated team would have a .4000 in that same measure. The remaining components of Richmond Heights schedule generally makes up for that, but the only input is win percentage on those things. If I look at Willard, they have opponents that are 9-1, 9-3, and 7-5. RPI likes that. What RPI doesn't do is tell you that Margaretta, Carey, and Ridgemont aren't the same as other 9-1, 9-3, and 7-5 teams on Richmond Heights schedule. It only discerns the win-loss totals, not school size. (Give me a moment, I will do a full RPI breakout of Willard and RH to the best I can to outline this) So the football comparison to the basketball RPI is worthless because you have Richmond Hgts playing very good competition and they get credit for it. But wining or losing does matter. Which I thought you were trying to say if a flaw of the RPI because it gives credit to ever game. In the end I feel that coaches wanted and voted for a metric ranking system that to human favoring out of the equation. A better way to express my viewpoint was...if you have a game open on your schedule, use it on a team like Massillon who plays only 8-2 or 9-1 teams. I just posted another example of how I was wrong about why I thought RPI stinks. The Mansfield example is one little wrinkle I perceived as bad. If you build an entire schedule around tough teams, it is hard to overcome losing those games. If we are talking a team that is going to go 7-0 or 6-1 in league play, taking a hard game where you lose by 40 is not so bad. Richmond Heights overdid it, and thus Willard is technically better than them in the metric.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 15:05:40 GMT -5
This is my look at RPI. I imagine there are a wrinkle or two that MaxPreps is shielding from how they do it, but this is my take on the known formula. It turns out, I was correct in that RPI is flawed. I was *NOT* correct in why it is flawed in the examples I was giving. The 1st component of RPI is your win percentage. That is worth 40% of your total RPI score. Willard is 10-2 Richmond Heights is 5-6 (though two of the games are against "non-varsity" opponents? I will not be including these, so say they are 3-6) Willard's 1st component is .8333 win% * 40% = .3333 RH's 1st component is .3333 win% * 40% = .1333 The 2nd component of RPI is your opponents' win percentage. This is worth 35% of your total RPI score. Willard's opponents have gone 70-57 this year. Their 2nd component would be .5512 * 35% weight = .1929 RH's opponents have gone 97-25 this year. Their 2nd component would be .7951 * 35% weight = .2783 The 3rd component of RPI is your opponents' opponents' win percentage. This is worth 25% of your total RPI score (this took forever, but hey science is science). Willard's opponents' opponents went 619-631. Their 3rd component would be .4952 * 25% weight = .1238 RH's opponents' opponents went 868-611. Their 3rd component would be .5869 * 25% weight = .1467 Overall, Willard's RPI in this example is 0.6500 RH's is 0.5583 Based on this, Willard is better than Richmond Heights. Scoring margins do not matter. Size of school does not matter. As fine of a season Willard is having, we know the reality of them vs. RH. This right here is why I think RPI is garbage. Willard has wins over teams like Carey. Carey is 9-3, and the N10 has a good W/L as a conference for the most part. The RPI boost for that is fairly good. For Richmond Heights to play someone like St. Ignatius would provide a similar boost, but the loss against St. Ignatius is a ding. Then RH multiplied it by every team on their schedule. MaxPreps shows different values for their RPI. The website description for their rankings does not show the overall equation. What we do know is Willard is ranked higher than RH, which I showed in my example. However we assess it, I think we can conclude that RPI is flawed, whether or not it was for the reasons I was initially hypothesizing. I had never truly worked out the math on RPI before, but I have enough background in math/stats that sort of thing to know it could lead to faulty assessments.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 15:13:13 GMT -5
That's one of the main issues I have with RPI is the fact that playing up in divisions has no impact on RPI scores. I know Lex plays a lot of Div I schools traditionally. And they along with anyone that does like Wiiard playing Sandusky or Shelby playing Findlay should count for a little more. Correct. I would also include the failure of including margin of victory. There are good ways to measure margin of victory without incentivizing running up the score. Drew Pasteur and Calpreps have such buffers in place. RPI simply ignores it. When I was going over Richmond Heights' schedule for my example, it technically showed that Willard playing Carey was a better RPI boost than Richmond Heights playing Pickerington Central. How's that.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 15:19:42 GMT -5
Here's another RPI example.
If Willard only played one game, against Carey (which they won), then Willard's RPI would be .8101
If RH did the same, but it was against St. Ignatius (a W for RH), then RH's RPI would be .8504
In the grand scheme, that is not a big difference for what is two wildly different games to be played.
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 17:38:46 GMT -5
So the football comparison to the basketball RPI is worthless because you have Richmond Hgts playing very good competition and they get credit for it. But wining or losing does matter. Which I thought you were trying to say if a flaw of the RPI because it gives credit to ever game. In the end I feel that coaches wanted and voted for a metric ranking system that to human favoring out of the equation. A better way to express my viewpoint was...if you have a game open on your schedule, use it on a team like Massillon who plays only 8-2 or 9-1 teams. I just posted another example of how I was wrong about why I thought RPI stinks. The Mansfield example is one little wrinkle I perceived as bad. If you build an entire schedule around tough teams, it is hard to overcome losing those games. If we are talking a team that is going to go 7-0 or 6-1 in league play, taking a hard game where you lose by 40 is not so bad. Richmond Heights overdid it, and thus Willard is technically better than them in the metric. Mansfield schedules Massillon for the game experience, not the win. Are you saying Richmond Hgts would be a better team if they scheduled teams they knew they could beat? IS their goal to get the best ranking are be the best team after 22 games?
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 17:40:41 GMT -5
This is my look at RPI. I imagine there are a wrinkle or two that MaxPreps is shielding from how they do it, but this is my take on the known formula. It turns out, I was correct in that RPI is flawed. I was *NOT* correct in why it is flawed in the examples I was giving. The 1st component of RPI is your win percentage. That is worth 40% of your total RPI score. Willard is 10-2 Richmond Heights is 5-6 (though two of the games are against "non-varsity" opponents? I will not be including these, so say they are 3-6) Willard's 1st component is .8333 win% * 40% = .3333 RH's 1st component is .3333 win% * 40% = .1333 The 2nd component of RPI is your opponents' win percentage. This is worth 35% of your total RPI score. Willard's opponents have gone 70-57 this year. Their 2nd component would be .5512 * 35% weight = .1929 RH's opponents have gone 97-25 this year. Their 2nd component would be .7951 * 35% weight = .2783 The 3rd component of RPI is your opponents' opponents' win percentage. This is worth 25% of your total RPI score (this took forever, but hey science is science). Willard's opponents' opponents went 619-631. Their 3rd component would be .4952 * 25% weight = .1238 RH's opponents' opponents went 868-611. Their 3rd component would be .5869 * 25% weight = .1467 Overall, Willard's RPI in this example is 0.6500 RH's is 0.5583 Based on this, Willard is better than Richmond Heights. Scoring margins do not matter. Size of school does not matter. As fine of a season Willard is having, we know the reality of them vs. RH. This right here is why I think RPI is garbage. Willard has wins over teams like Carey. Carey is 9-3, and the N10 has a good W/L as a conference for the most part. The RPI boost for that is fairly good. For Richmond Heights to play someone like St. Ignatius would provide a similar boost, but the loss against St. Ignatius is a ding. Then RH multiplied it by every team on their schedule. MaxPreps shows different values for their RPI. The website description for their rankings does not show the overall equation. What we do know is Willard is ranked higher than RH, which I showed in my example. However we assess it, I think we can conclude that RPI is flawed, whether or not it was for the reasons I was initially hypothesizing. I had never truly worked out the math on RPI before, but I have enough background in math/stats that sort of thing to know it could lead to faulty assessments. Based on this, Willard has a higher RPI compared to Richmond Hgts.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 18:38:22 GMT -5
Based on this, Willard is better than Richmond Heights. Scoring margins do not matter. Size of school does not matter. As fine of a season Willard is having, we know the reality of them vs. RH. This right here is why I think RPI is garbage. Willard has wins over teams like Carey. Carey is 9-3, and the N10 has a good W/L as a conference for the most part. The RPI boost for that is fairly good. For Richmond Heights to play someone like St. Ignatius would provide a similar boost, but the loss against St. Ignatius is a ding. Then RH multiplied it by every team on their schedule. MaxPreps shows different values for their RPI. The website description for their rankings does not show the overall equation. What we do know is Willard is ranked higher than RH, which I showed in my example. However we assess it, I think we can conclude that RPI is flawed, whether or not it was for the reasons I was initially hypothesizing. I had never truly worked out the math on RPI before, but I have enough background in math/stats that sort of thing to know it could lead to faulty assessments. Based on this, Willard has a higher RPI compared to Richmond Hgts. That would be correct. MaxPreps uses some variation of RPI, but they tell you their calculations are not entirely public. I only assume they are mostly using typical RPI calcs. We all know they don't factor in opponent size and margin of victory. Willard's RPI measure on MaxPreps is 16.08. Richmond Heights' is 14.82. Based on that, Willard would be a higher seed than Richmond Heights if we don't factor in any sort of coach opinion during tournament draws.
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 18:53:59 GMT -5
That would be correct. MaxPreps uses some variation of RPI, but they tell you their calculations are not entirely public. I only assume they are mostly using typical RPI calcs. We all know they don't factor in opponent size and margin of victory. Willard's RPI measure on MaxPreps is 16.08.
Richmond Heights' is 14.82.Based on that, Willard would be a higher seed than Richmond Heights if we don't factor in any sort of coach opinion during tournament draws. Not sure where you see that because the MaxPreps RPI that I see Willard is .678652 RH is .565201
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 19:06:28 GMT -5
A better way to express my viewpoint was...if you have a game open on your schedule, use it on a team like Massillon who plays only 8-2 or 9-1 teams. I just posted another example of how I was wrong about why I thought RPI stinks. The Mansfield example is one little wrinkle I perceived as bad. If you build an entire schedule around tough teams, it is hard to overcome losing those games. If we are talking a team that is going to go 7-0 or 6-1 in league play, taking a hard game where you lose by 40 is not so bad. Richmond Heights overdid it, and thus Willard is technically better than them in the metric. Mansfield schedules Massillon for the game experience, not the win. Are you saying Richmond Hgts would be a better team if they scheduled teams they knew they could beat? IS their goal to get the best ranking are be the best team after 22 games? My opinion that RPI is gross hasn't changed. Based on my Willard vs Richmond Heights example, I think my opinion is more crafted like so: In general, you want a high winning percentage. That is crucial. Using the Mansfield football example, I have two scenarios, both involving Mansfield and Tiffin. These example are based on purely if Mansfield and Tiffin football played one game all season, thus giving their opponents the max RPI value via being the only opponent (similar to the one I did previously with Carey vs Ignatius). Both teams went 8-2. They both took on a scheduled "could be a loss, could probably be a loss" between Massillon and Watterson. Both turned out to be losses. For Mansfield, losing to Massillon by 40+ led to losing to a 10-0 team with an opponents' opponent record of 56-35. The RPI value for Massillon alone in 2nd/3rd component points was .5088 For Tiffin, losing to Watterson by 19 led to losing to a 9-1 team with an opponents' opponent record of 43-49. The RPI value for Watterson in 2nd/3rd component points was .4279 If both teams similarly took on those games with a rational belief they could lose, then Mansfield benefitted by getting a guaranteed blowout against Massillon.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 19:08:44 GMT -5
That would be correct. MaxPreps uses some variation of RPI, but they tell you their calculations are not entirely public. I only assume they are mostly using typical RPI calcs. We all know they don't factor in opponent size and margin of victory. Willard's RPI measure on MaxPreps is 16.08.
Richmond Heights' is 14.82.Based on that, Willard would be a higher seed than Richmond Heights if we don't factor in any sort of coach opinion during tournament draws. Not sure where you see that because the MaxPreps RPI that I see Willard is .678652 RH is .565201 Not sure where you see it either. I'm looking at the divisional rankings. Attachments:
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 19:10:45 GMT -5
My general thought is MaxPreps is doing *something* under the hood to differentiate their ranks from the widely known measurement for RPI. Either way, I think MaxPreps is more heavily reliant on RPI than not, which leads to what Dude and I similarly seeing Willard being, at this point, considered a basketball team with a higher rating than Richmond Heights.
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 19:15:57 GMT -5
Mansfield schedules Massillon for the game experience, not the win. Are you saying Richmond Hgts would be a better team if they scheduled teams they knew they could beat? IS their goal to get the best ranking are be the best team after 22 games? My opinion that RPI is gross hasn't changed. Based on my Willard vs Richmond Heights example, I think my opinion is more crafted like so: In general, you want a high winning percentage. That is crucial. Using the Mansfield football example, I have two scenarios, both involving Mansfield and Tiffin. These example are based on purely if Mansfield and Tiffin football played one game all season, thus giving their opponents the max RPI value via being the only opponent (similar to the one I did previously with Carey vs Ignatius). Both teams went 8-2. They both took on a scheduled "could be a loss, could probably be a loss" between Massillon and Watterson. Both turned out to be losses. For Mansfield, losing to Massillon by 40+ led to losing to a 10-0 team with an opponents' opponent record of 56-35. The RPI value for Massillon alone in 2nd/3rd component points was .5088 For Tiffin, losing to Watterson by 19 led to losing to a 9-1 team with an opponents' opponent record of 43-49. The RPI value for Watterson in 2nd/3rd component points was .4279 If both teams similarly took on those games with a rational belief they could lose, then Mansfield benefitted by getting a guaranteed blowout against Massillon. As I have said, comparing the football system to the basketball system is apples to oranges. So it's irrelevant.
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 19:21:35 GMT -5
Not sure where you see that because the MaxPreps RPI that I see Willard is .678652 RH is .565201 Not sure where you see it either. I'm looking at the divisional rankings. You may be posting about two different things. You are seeing the RPI that MaxPreps uses for it's national RPI system. But the 40%WP + 35%OWP + 25%OOWP is the one used by OHSAA for rankings. In this system Willard is .678 and RH is .565
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 13, 2024 22:01:58 GMT -5
I'm prefacing that I'm not *arguing* with you. This garbage gets convoluted and weird. I'm saying simply what I created based on what I saw.
No matter how we slice it, Willard shouldn't be ranked above Richmond Heights. No offense to Willard, but these teams are a mile apart at minimum.
In my manual calcs I used the 40%/35%/25% weights for Willard and RH. My calc will always be off of the MaxPreps one because they say their complete calculation is not public. They might do something that I do not do.
The most likely reason for the discrepancy was this:
If I am measuring Willard's opponents, and their respective win percentages, I should *exclude* Willard from those measures. To me, that makes sense. My example:
Willard plays Port Clinton. If I'm further measuring Port Clinton's schedule, should I include Willard in their metrics when it is Willard I'm trying to measure? My opinion is no. Maxpreps could be different.
At the end of the day, my manual calcs vs. the ones you see are:
Willard: 0.6500/0.6787 Richmond: 0.5583/0.5652
As far as backyard math goes, I'm close to the "geniuses" at MaxPreps who don't care about margin of victory or school sizes. Coaches at a district draw usually care about that. Not MaxPreps.
Whether it is by my version of RPI or MaxPreps, RH is below Willard. I think that is enough to have this board question the value of the arrangement.
RPI is a janky metric. My conclusion will always be that.
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 22:55:16 GMT -5
I'm prefacing that I'm not *arguing* with you. This garbage gets convoluted and weird. I'm saying simply what I created based on what I saw. No matter how we slice it, Willard shouldn't be ranked above Richmond Heights. No offense to Willard, but these teams are a mile apart at minimum. In my manual calcs I used the 40%/35%/25% weights for Willard and RH. My calc will always be off of the MaxPreps one because they say their complete calculation is not public. They might do something that I do not do. The most likely reason for the discrepancy was this: If I am measuring Willard's opponents, and their respective win percentages, I should *exclude* Willard from those measures. To me, that makes sense. My example: Willard plays Port Clinton. If I'm further measuring Port Clinton's schedule, should I include Willard in their metrics when it is Willard I'm trying to measure? My opinion is no. Maxpreps could be different. At the end of the day, my manual calcs vs. the ones you see are: Willard: 0.6500/0.6787 Richmond: 0.5583/0.5652 As far as backyard math goes, I'm close to the "geniuses" at MaxPreps who don't care about margin of victory or school sizes. Coaches at a district draw usually care about that. Not MaxPreps. Whether it is by my version of RPI or MaxPreps, RH is below Willard. I think that is enough to have this board question the value of the arrangement. RPI is a janky metric. My conclusion will always be that. Well at least you know now the RPI you were looking at is not the one being discussed. RH is below because they have lost games and the RPI measures that. RH has chosen to play the best talent they can to be ready for the end of the regular season and rankings be damned. In March, if you are the best team in the District, Region or State, who really cares what your seeding was when it started. The only thing that matters is how you finish.
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Post by dude on Jan 13, 2024 23:00:01 GMT -5
RPI is a janky metric. My conclusion will always be that. This only matters if you expect the metric to pick the best team. Upsets happen all the time and records are rarely perfect. The coaches of this state decided to use a metric and in 2-3 years we will see how they set up their schedules. Either to get a high district rank or to make their teams better. Either way, the better teams are coming out of each district every time.
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Post by malabar10 on Jan 14, 2024 16:58:56 GMT -5
It doesn't matter what Richmond Hts RPI is, because come tournament time, they are 0-0 and start their onslaught through community D4 schools! Running tournaments used to be fun, especially at the seeding meetings. Now a freakin computer is having all the fun.
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Post by marchmadness on Jan 15, 2024 9:00:07 GMT -5
Lex suffered their first loss yesterday to Gahanna Lincoln 56-46. Lincoln is 9-5 and plays a tough schedule obviously. This is a deep district but I still think Lexington or Shelby are the only ones that can win it.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Jan 15, 2024 22:32:35 GMT -5
As an opinion on the district tournament (and obviously a Shelby opinion):
Lex is killer this season. Winning the boring games matters as much as anything. Lex does that.
The fact of the matter is that despite any flaws Shelby has, Bruskotter is both willing and *almost* able to cure them in the same evening. More complete teams have won against Shelby, but struggled to stop Alex from doing what he wants...unless they are letting him get his points. Letting a guy get 25+ on you is not often what a team considers the best case situation.
Shelby has every piece they need to excel. Alex will force the games to be as close as he can make them. If Lantz, Ramsey, & DeVito step up, Shelby is not going to lose games. As it stands, Shelby refuses to lose by more than 4-5 points with this squad.
Lex is as good as they are advertised to be. Any future matchup will be worth every $ of admission. Going 3-0 on Shelby the last two seasons with a 7pt win, an OT buzzer beater, and winning by 4 at home is not nearly the enough to make this Shelby fan quit on getting the W we want.
Heck, let's just see how Shelby does against Mansfield and Findlay and Willard next month though.
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Post by dude on Jan 16, 2024 6:36:41 GMT -5
As an opinion on the district tournament (and obviously a Shelby opinion): Lex is killer this season. Winning the boring games matters as much as anything. Lex does that. The fact of the matter is that despite any flaws Shelby has, Bruskotter is both willing and *almost* able to cure them in the same evening. More complete teams have won against Shelby, but struggled to stop Alex from doing what he wants...unless they are letting him get his points. Letting a guy get 25+ on you is not often what a team considers the best case situation. Shelby has every piece they need to excel. Alex will force the games to be as close as he can make them. If Lantz, Ramsey, & DeVito step up, Shelby is not going to lose games. As it stands, Shelby refuses to lose by more than 4-5 points with this squad. Lex is as good as they are advertised to be. Any future matchup will be worth every $ of admission. Going 3-0 on Shelby the last two seasons with a 7pt win, an OT buzzer beater, and winning by 4 at home is not nearly the enough to make this Shelby fan quit on getting the W we want. Heck, let's just see how Shelby does against Mansfield and Findlay and Willard next month though. As a fan why would you quit wanting to get a W. For longer than 3 years this has been good basketball games to attend. For the last 15 years, and the last 15 games, only one has been on a neutral site. All the games have been played with good anticipation and all but one in my opinion was late and some in the last minute. The one game never in question was TJ Pugh's jr season. Shelby was 17-4 going to Lex who was 12-9 playing the last game of the regular season. Lex took charge early and blew out Shelby start to finish in this one. 01/09/10 @ Lex - Lex wins 66-60 01/04/11 @shelby - Shelby wins 54-69 01/07/12 @ Lex - Lex wins 57-50 01/05/13 @shelby - Lex wins 64-53 01/04/14 @ Lex - Lex wins 64-47 01/10/15 @shelby - Lex wins 68-66 2OT 01/09/16 @ Lex - Lex wins 64-53 01/07/17 @shelby - Lex wins 48-44 01/27/18 @ Lex - Lex wins 45-41 12/01/18 @shelby - Shelby wins 57-69 02/21/20 @ Lex - Lex wins 71-53 02/05/21 @shelby CANCELLED 12/14/21 @ Lex - Shelby - wins 61-65 OT 02/14/23 @shelby - Lex wins 66-59 03/02/23 Tourney - Lex wins 76-74 12/30/23 @ Lex - Lex wins 61-57
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Post by 419bossman on Jan 17, 2024 15:07:23 GMT -5
Rankings as of 1/17, There are three weeks before the tournament draw.
1. Willard 10-2 2. Lexington 14-1 3. Shelby 9-2 4. Mansfield Sr. 10-2 5. Bellevue 9-3 6. Columbian 8-4 7. Galion 5-5 8. Perkins 5-5 9. Clear Fork 6-6 10. Vermilion 4-7 11. Ontario 3-9
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Post by marchmadness on Jan 23, 2024 13:43:34 GMT -5
Agreed, normal for this district, but maybe even heavier than normal. There will be some very good teams without a sectional title this year. Who knows how the flawed MAXPREPS rankings will come out, but I project it will be Lex and Shelby as for sures in the district and then the next 5 don't have much separation at this point. I'd say in the end, Willard, Bellevue, Perkins, TC, Mansfield would be my power order. I bet Willard wishes they were D3 this year! Still feel confident that despite Willard being state ranked and 11-3 and Bellevue sitting at 11-3 and Mansfield at 10-3 that Lex and Shelby are just on a different level. Do we know where this district will be played yet?
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Post by jmorgret07 on Jan 24, 2024 12:01:41 GMT -5
Agreed, normal for this district, but maybe even heavier than normal. There will be some very good teams without a sectional title this year. Who knows how the flawed MAXPREPS rankings will come out, but I project it will be Lex and Shelby as for sures in the district and then the next 5 don't have much separation at this point. I'd say in the end, Willard, Bellevue, Perkins, TC, Mansfield would be my power order. I bet Willard wishes they were D3 this year! Do we know where this district will be played yet? I thought they were waiting until the four teams are established to lock in where it is? Can't put it at Lexington or Mansfield and then they make the district. I'd strictly guess it'll end up at Ontario or Mansfield Madison.
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Post by 419bossman on Jan 24, 2024 17:47:02 GMT -5
Rankings as of 1/24, With Two Weeks until the Draw
1. Willard 11-2 2. Lexington 16-1 3. Shelby 11-2 4. Bellevue 11-3 5. Mansfield Sr. 11-3 6. Columbian 8-5 7. Perkins 6-5 8. Clear Fork 7-7 9. Galion 5-8 10. Ontario 4-10 11. Vermilion 4-9
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Post by dude on Jan 24, 2024 21:04:31 GMT -5
Do we know where this district will be played yet? I thought they were waiting until the four teams are established to lock in where it is? Can't put it at Lexington or Mansfield and then they make the district. I'd strictly guess it'll end up at Ontario or Mansfield Madison. Madison is not an option.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Jan 24, 2024 21:34:43 GMT -5
I think it will end up at Ontario or Galion. Of course if at Galion at least galionfan13 will get to see a district champion play. Although it wouldn't be Galion.
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