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Post by dude on Mar 8, 2024 22:46:01 GMT -5
I wasn’t that impressed with Fogle either. He has a lot of room to improve to be considered a D1 player. I’m not making any comparison, but since you are a true follower of the OSU teams and their recruits, what was Devin Royal doing as a 16 year old his sophomore season?
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 9, 2024 6:32:08 GMT -5
I wasn’t that impressed with Fogle either. He has a lot of room to improve to be considered a D1 player. I’m not making any comparison, but since you are a true follower of the OSU teams and their recruits, what was Devin Royal doing as a 16 year old his sophomore season? No f*cking clue and don’t give one f*ck. Is that a good enough answer for you?
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 7:25:34 GMT -5
I’m not making any comparison, but since you are a true follower of the OSU teams and their recruits, what was Devin Royal doing as a 16 year old his sophomore season? No f*cking clue and don’t give one f*ck. Is that a good enough answer for you? That is the perfect answer for you.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 9, 2024 7:39:20 GMT -5
No f*cking clue and don’t give one f*ck. Is that a good enough answer for you? That is the perfect answer for you. It really is the perfect way to answer douchebags.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 7:43:56 GMT -5
Fogle is not all that. Screams over rated. Skill set is aversge. If he gets All State ahead of Max ,,, it would be a crime. I do not believe he is overrated. Bc he did carry Lex in the 2nd half. His athleticism is carrying him right now. Definitely needs to improve his perimeter game, but he has 2 years to do so. I would agree he should not be All state ahead of Dawson. That kid imo is a definite 1st teamer. Whose rating system are we talking about? I saw at the end of regular season the OCC coaches voted him POY and then I saw the district coaches voted him on first team and it looked like he was after Dawson. I hear the sports writers have voted him worthy of mention, I would assume also after Dawson. All these rating systems have been used for years, have they been wrong for years or only when Willard loses?
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 7:45:07 GMT -5
That is the perfect answer for you. It really is the perfect way to answer douchebags. Again, a perfect response for you.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 9, 2024 7:49:06 GMT -5
It really is the perfect way to answer douchebags. Again, a perfect response for you. So you’re saying you know you’re a douchebag? Excellent.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 7:53:10 GMT -5
Again, a perfect response for you. So you’re saying you know you’re a douchebag? Excellent. It's perfect because someone was called "butt hurt" and it's showing.
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 9, 2024 7:54:29 GMT -5
As a neutral party I’ll say this. Let’s assume they are 18 and 16 respectively. Let’s also assume they both started with substantial instruction on basketball in the third grade (9 years old). What I mean by substantial is actually on a competitive team with a coach who knew something about basketball (probably not fair since Dawson’s dad is a coach, but eh). Dawson has had about 22% more time to hone his skills. He better be a more refined player or shame on him.
What none of us like to admit is that we all have a ceiling no matter how hard we work. One of the best high school players any of us have watched, Diebler, had a ceiling and it was a roll player on a good division 1 college team. Why? Because he was not quick enough to guard a two at the pro level and you can’t teach quick. You can maximize what you have, but there is a ceiling. It sounds like Dawson has done that and his ceiling is a good D2 college. It sounds like Fogle has a higher ceiling because with pure athleticism he and his teammates beat Dawson and his teammates twice. Maybe we should give Fogle two more years to see if he’ll put in the same work Dawson did and reach his ceiling. Or maybe he’ll squander his God given abilities. Who knows. It’s probably not fair to compare them now.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 9, 2024 8:00:13 GMT -5
So you’re saying you know you’re a douchebag? Excellent. It's perfect because someone was called "butt hurt" and it's showing. Could not care one bit that Willard lost, doesn’t change my life one bit. I just don’t give a f*ck what I write anymore or what people think. And you’re still a douche.
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Post by clb6110 on Mar 9, 2024 8:01:03 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong as I don't follow Lex that close. I read an occasional newspaper article. The announcers mentioned during the game,maybe right after Fogle's 3pt shot, that he only shot 10% from behind the arc this season. I later was told that winning 3 was only his 2nd make of the season. Is this even possible? If so there is no way he'll play D1 ball as he won't learn a 3 pt shot in 2 years and he's going to need that in his arsenal at his size to have a chance. Maybe I heard wrong cause it doesn't seem possible someone with his athletic ability could now have 2 3s and shoot 10% from distance.
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 9, 2024 8:01:16 GMT -5
As a neutral party I’ll say this. Let’s assume they are 18 and 16 respectively. Let’s also assume they both started with substantial instruction on basketball in the third grade (9 years old). What I mean by substantial is actually on a competitive team with a coach who knew something about basketball (probably not fair since Dawson’s dad is a coach, but eh). Dawson has had about 22% more time to hone his skills. He better be a more refined player or shame on him. What none of us like to admit is that we all have a ceiling no matter how hard we work. One of the best high school players any of us have watched, Diebler, had a ceiling and it was a roll player on a good division 1 college team. Why? Because he was not quick enough to guard a two at the pro level and you can’t teach quick. You can maximize what you have, but there is a ceiling. It sounds like Dawson has done that and his ceiling is a good D2 college. It sounds like Fogle has a higher ceiling because with pure athleticism he and his teammates beat Dawson and his teammates twice. Maybe we should give Fogle two more years to see if he’ll put in the same work Dawson did and reach his ceiling. Or maybe he’ll squander his God given abilities. Who knows. It’s probably not fair to compare them now. agree with all of this which is why I said in one of my earlier posts that Fogle can still put the work in. I just don’t see it at this time, and people got pissy about it.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 8:09:38 GMT -5
It's perfect because someone was called "butt hurt" and it's showing. Could not care one bit that Willard lost, doesn’t change my life one bit. I just don’t give a f*ck what I write anymore or what people think. And you’re still a douche. It's obvious you don't care.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 8:11:38 GMT -5
As a neutral party I’ll say this. Let’s assume they are 18 and 16 respectively. Let’s also assume they both started with substantial instruction on basketball in the third grade (9 years old). What I mean by substantial is actually on a competitive team with a coach who knew something about basketball (probably not fair since Dawson’s dad is a coach, but eh). Dawson has had about 22% more time to hone his skills. He better be a more refined player or shame on him. What none of us like to admit is that we all have a ceiling no matter how hard we work. One of the best high school players any of us have watched, Diebler, had a ceiling and it was a roll player on a good division 1 college team. Why? Because he was not quick enough to guard a two at the pro level and you can’t teach quick. You can maximize what you have, but there is a ceiling. It sounds like Dawson has done that and his ceiling is a good D2 college. It sounds like Fogle has a higher ceiling because with pure athleticism he and his teammates beat Dawson and his teammates twice. Maybe we should give Fogle two more years to see if he’ll put in the same work Dawson did and reach his ceiling. Or maybe he’ll squander his God given abilities. Who knows. It’s probably not fair to compare them now. Dawson's work ethic is what separates him from most others.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 9, 2024 8:15:59 GMT -5
Here’s the thing— people talk of him as being an absolute stud - “ right now” —- The fact that he helped defeat Willard twice does not make him a stud basketball player. We had a very nice well coached team this season,,, but the fact is we lost 5 games. So it’s not like he helped upset an incredible “ basketball tesm. Lex was highly favored both years. “ 10-12 points” by some people on this site who know hs hoops pretty well.
Well his team was behind by 6-8 points for 75% of the game. He was a non factor for over 1/2 the game . He certainly didn’t play like a National recruit or the guy who is 1st or 2nd team all state.
So hence —- the point that myself and 5-6 others have talked about not seeing this stud of a player with so much press .
If that opinion bothers some people,, not sure what to tell you. I didn’t have sour grapes towards the Shelby kids after they whipped us. They lived up to the expectations that night to me .
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Post by clb6110 on Mar 9, 2024 10:57:53 GMT -5
Isn't Fogle a really good football player as well?If so I could see a D1 team offering a scholarship there. 6'5" Soph receivers don't fall out of trees too often. He grows to 6'7"or8" then he's a heck of athletic TE.
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Mar 9, 2024 11:36:27 GMT -5
I have nothing against Big Lex, but I'm sorry my favorite player from Willard is done
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 9, 2024 11:47:54 GMT -5
to a degree i think Max could possibly move up in the world of the portal we are in . See how it goes for him at Ashland.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Mar 9, 2024 12:04:22 GMT -5
Fogle has had some interest in football. I know he performed well at the Ohio State football camp last summer. But his first love I believe is basketball. Where he has excelled in high level AAU basketball. He plays in a boat load of games there including the Peach Jam in South Carolina. Thats where he he's gotten most of his notariaty. But then again Cade Stover said at one point that his favorite sport was basketball and now is on the verge of being drafted into the NFL.
Also Lexington's game plan doesn't necessarily lend to a guy scoring 30 a game. When they are successful they get 3-5 guys in double figures.
From a rivalry standpoint I have no love loss for Willard. I always want to beat them in basketball. I miss playing them in the regular season. Willard has a great program and a storied history.
As for the game tonight. Shelby has been playing lights out the last 16 games. But it was shown that against Mansfield Senior they were not invincible. Either is Lex. But Lex I believe has got their number and wins a close one. Go BIG LEX!!!
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 12:04:38 GMT -5
Here’s the thing— people talk of him as being an absolute stud - “ right now” —- Maybe talk to different "people" if you think the ones you talk to are completely wrong.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 12:13:48 GMT -5
to a degree i think Max could possibly move up in the world of the portal we are in . See how it goes for him at Ashland. Watching Max this year knowing he was going to be an AU Eagle made me happy to be able to watch him for another 4 years. I do wonder if AU will put the ball into his hands and run 90% of their plays for him and make sure he gets 20+ shots every game. I say that because it has been that way for him the last 2.5 seasons and I think there will be some adjustment.
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Post by bat21 on Mar 9, 2024 12:14:27 GMT -5
Great high school game to watch. Great atmosphere. As a Willard fan ... not the finish we had hoped for. As a somewhat educated observer ... a few thoughts. Fogle did nothing to draw my eye to him in the first 3 and a half quarters. I guess I didn't really see him until he hit the 3 ... his second of the season ... and then the game winner. I guess I saw him more as a football type player than basketball. As only a sophomore ... he has time to mature. The player that kept my attention was the recruit guard from Madison. Amazing quickness and speed to the rim when he got a half a step off the bounce. Watching he and Max go at each other was fun. I thought Max had the advantage due to his size and 2 years more work in the gym and game experience. Another match up was our undersized post players against the 6'8 kid. They muscled him ... on both ends ... which he clearly did not like. After awhile he kinda blended in on the perimeter. I do think even he thought he fouled Max on the baseline in overtime. Judging from his reaction to the whistle ... He was clearly relieved when he saw the TO signal was given. I thought it was a blown call ... but hey ... no whistle no foul. Overall I thought the stripes were fairly consistent for district level play.
Thanks to Coaching Staff and players for making this another great season to be a Flashes fan. Thank you to a great group of seniors, You will be missed. At my age I dont like to wish for time to pass any faster ... but I am looking forward to the next edition in the fall. What will the next edition look like? Only a summer of hard work will tell.
I'm out.
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 12:15:08 GMT -5
Fogle has had some interest in football. I know he performed well at the Ohio State football camp last summer. But his first love I believe is basketball. Where he has excelled in high level AAU basketball. He plays in a boat load of games there including the Peach Jam in South Carolina. Thats where he he's gotten most of his notariaty. But then again Cade Stover said at one point that his favorite sport was basketball and now is on the verge of being drafted into the NFL. Also Lexington's game plan doesn't necessarily lend to a guy scoring 30 a game. When they are successful they get 3-5 guys in double figures. From a rivalry standpoint I have no love loss for Willard. I always want to beat them in basketball. I miss playing them in the regular season. Willard has a great program and a storied history. As for the game tonight. Shelby has been playing lights out the last 16 games. But it was shown that against Mansfield Senior they were not invincible. Either is Lex. But Lex I believe has got their number and wins a close one. Go BIG LEX!!! Didn't someone post that he has an offer from Syracuse for football?
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Mar 9, 2024 12:23:30 GMT -5
Not only Stover, but I see Flashes of Tony Eisenhard from Tiffin Columbian who went to OSU
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Post by ohioraised on Mar 9, 2024 14:18:55 GMT -5
Great high school game to watch. Great atmosphere. As a Willard fan ... not the finish we had hoped for. As a somewhat educated observer ... a few thoughts. Fogle did nothing to draw my eye to him in the first 3 and a half quarters. I guess I didn't really see him until he hit the 3 ... his second of the season ... and then the game winner. I guess I saw him more as a football type player than basketball. As only a sophomore ... he has time to mature. The player that kept my attention was the recruit guard from Madison. Amazing quickness and speed to the rim when he got a half a step off the bounce. Watching he and Max go at each other was fun. I thought Max had the advantage due to his size and 2 years more work in the gym and game experience. Another match up was our undersized post players against the 6'8 kid. They muscled him ... on both ends ... which he clearly did not like. After awhile he kinda blended in on the perimeter. I do think even he thought he fouled Max on the baseline in overtime. Judging from his reaction to the whistle ... He was clearly relieved when he saw the TO signal was given. I thought it was a blown call ... but hey ... no whistle no foul. Overall I thought the stripes were fairly consistent for district level play. Thanks to Coaching Staff and players for making this another great season to be a Flashes fan. Thank you to a great group of seniors, You will be missed. At my age I dont like to wish for time to pass any faster ... but I am looking forward to the next edition in the fall. What will the next edition look like? Only a summer of hard work will tell. I'm out. Is it strange to read a Willard fan post use the word recruit?
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 9, 2024 14:30:07 GMT -5
Great high school game to watch. Great atmosphere. As a Willard fan ... not the finish we had hoped for. As a somewhat educated observer ... a few thoughts. Fogle did nothing to draw my eye to him in the first 3 and a half quarters. I guess I didn't really see him until he hit the 3 ... his second of the season ... and then the game winner. I guess I saw him more as a football type player than basketball. As only a sophomore ... he has time to mature. The player that kept my attention was the recruit guard from Madison. Amazing quickness and speed to the rim when he got a half a step off the bounce. Watching he and Max go at each other was fun. I thought Max had the advantage due to his size and 2 years more work in the gym and game experience. Another match up was our undersized post players against the 6'8 kid. They muscled him ... on both ends ... which he clearly did not like. After awhile he kinda blended in on the perimeter. I do think even he thought he fouled Max on the baseline in overtime. Judging from his reaction to the whistle ... He was clearly relieved when he saw the TO signal was given. I thought it was a blown call ... but hey ... no whistle no foul. Overall I thought the stripes were fairly consistent for district level play. Thanks to Coaching Staff and players for making this another great season to be a Flashes fan. Thank you to a great group of seniors, You will be missed. At my age I dont like to wish for time to pass any faster ... but I am looking forward to the next edition in the fall. What will the next edition look like? Only a summer of hard work will tell. I'm out. Is it strange to read a Willard fan post use the word recruit? Its 2024, that’s still a thing?
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Post by dude on Mar 9, 2024 14:36:42 GMT -5
Its 2024, that’s still a thing? Very true, it's 2024 why use the word recruit.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Mar 9, 2024 15:05:03 GMT -5
Great high school game to watch. Great atmosphere. As a Willard fan ... not the finish we had hoped for. As a somewhat educated observer ... a few thoughts. Fogle did nothing to draw my eye to him in the first 3 and a half quarters. I guess I didn't really see him until he hit the 3 ... his second of the season ... and then the game winner. I guess I saw him more as a football type player than basketball. As only a sophomore ... he has time to mature. The player that kept my attention was the recruit guard from Madison. Amazing quickness and speed to the rim when he got a half a step off the bounce. Watching he and Max go at each other was fun. I thought Max had the advantage due to his size and 2 years more work in the gym and game experience. Another match up was our undersized post players against the 6'8 kid. They muscled him ... on both ends ... which he clearly did not like. After awhile he kinda blended in on the perimeter. I do think even he thought he fouled Max on the baseline in overtime. Judging from his reaction to the whistle ... He was clearly relieved when he saw the TO signal was given. I thought it was a blown call ... but hey ... no whistle no foul. Overall I thought the stripes were fairly consistent for district level play. Thanks to Coaching Staff and players for making this another great season to be a Flashes fan. Thank you to a great group of seniors, You will be missed. At my age I dont like to wish for time to pass any faster ... but I am looking forward to the next edition in the fall. What will the next edition look like? Only a summer of hard work will tell. I'm out. Is it strange to read a Willard fan post use the word recruit? Yeah, they were the standard bearer of that in years past. Do the last names Heath, Guth, and Robinson ring a bell...
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Post by ronburgandy on Mar 9, 2024 15:47:59 GMT -5
Robinson was a Willard guy.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Mar 9, 2024 15:49:23 GMT -5
Wasn't he at Norwalk his freshmen year?
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