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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 11, 2024 15:41:33 GMT -5
^^^^If you're not familiar with the above names they are former football coaches that had pretty good football teams at Lex over the years.
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Post by dude on Sept 11, 2024 19:51:58 GMT -5
^^^^If you're not familiar with the above names they are former football coaches that had pretty good football teams at Lex over the years. The records I found show that Stoner coached 13 seasons and had 4 with winning records. McCormick coached 15 seasons and had 8 winning seasons. Kaple 11/3, Payne 6/3 and Gearhardt 6/3. There have been a lot of good athletes showcase their talents on the Lexington football field but to me this shows, even with a good coach it takes the right combination of kids and opponents to occasionally have a winning season.
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Post by minutiea on Sept 11, 2024 20:47:17 GMT -5
I can't imagine any parent would worry about a 6-4 250 son getting hurt. More likely Mom would worry about him hurting someone. It was linemen talked about?
Doesn't Lexington have around 90 kids out for football? How many 200+?
Lucas hasn't always been football minded. A coach came and turned the community on to winning football and made the players tough
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Post by dude on Sept 12, 2024 11:04:00 GMT -5
Doesn't Lexington have around 90 kids out for football? How many 200+? Lucas hasn't always been football minded. A coach came and turned the community on to winning football and made the players tough Lexington normally will have about 70-80 high school kids for football, and 20 or so are usually on the freshman team. From the roster that I see they have 16 kids over the 200 mark. Of course a few of them are a QB, a RB and a WR.
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Post by unc4life on Sept 12, 2024 11:48:40 GMT -5
I feel like Ashland always has a hard time finding guys to play on the lines for football as well. Every 5 years we get a couple kids here and there, but for a school the size of Ashland you would think there would be more. I'm also 99% sure that Ashland's Qb is the biggest kid on the team, not the heaviest but at 6'5 225 he definitely stands out on the field.
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Post by dude on Sept 12, 2024 12:19:38 GMT -5
I feel like Ashland always has a hard time finding guys to play on the lines for football as well. Every 5 years we get a couple kids here and there, but for a school the size of Ashland you would think there would be more. I'm also 99% sure that Ashland's Qb is the biggest kid on the team, not the heaviest but at 6'5 225 he definitely stands out on the field. Ashland roster I saw has him at 6'6 235. So that would surely make him stand out on a local team. I've watched different schools take different tactics for their line. Some school have very few kids over 200 on their roster so it falls on the tougher kids willing to play the spot. It starts young with valuing the position and drilling the techniques. Scoring TDs is fun but nobody does it along.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 12, 2024 19:34:27 GMT -5
I can only speak for what I have seen at Shelby and a few other places, but there is some generational and parental dynamic at work. A lot of observational bias too, for what it's worth. It's hard to say this has no bearing on the outcomes we see.
My senior class was notable for having a particularly strong line. Pretty much every kid on that line came from a household where you'd see the dad and it made complete sense. Big dudes, hard-working dudes. Their hands could crush yours in a handshake. A lot of Shelby's best football athletes over the past 10-15 years are coming from homes where dad is clocking in at The Tuby (ArcelorMittal). Those 12-hour shifts and being on-call for work shape the mentality of how you view work. Not only that, but The Tuby employs about 20-25% of Shelby citizens, and most of them would be men. It offers a place where common lifestyle and like-minded guys get to interact over and over again.
You have MAC country where Marion Local/Coldwater and others thrive. They are tremendously Catholic out there. Kirtland is home to roughly the biggest population of Mormons in Ohio. Berlin Hiland basketball is the hotbed of Amish/Menonite Ohio. Add in a generational aspect of locals likely having graduated high school from the same town. It creates an X factor. Hell, #1 and #2 for Shelby's girls basketball scoring list are from households where the dads were either raised in Amish/Menonite settings or spent their days at GM and in the home garage constructing cars.
Not that you can't have a white-collar working base and succeed. I'm certain Avon is mostly white-collar workers at this point. But Shelby had a big workers' union campaign at ArcelorMittal a few years ago and they got some good concessions. It seems that rural towns with a core identity have that ability to reload each year.
Add in coaching who provides a likeable environment and you get some success. I have heard Mahaney in Shelby has some praise for being the right mix of leader & delegator. Its easy to work for a boss that you like and can trust.
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Post by minutiea on Sept 12, 2024 19:53:31 GMT -5
Ya ok, Lexington and Ontario have a lot of white collar and professional types and fewer blue collar since GM closed
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Post by dude on Sept 13, 2024 6:32:38 GMT -5
Ya ok, Lexington and Ontario have a lot of white collar and professional types and fewer blue collar since GM closed Lexington winning seasons and coach over the last 25 years. IF we had a roster we could check the connection to what shelbtrr11 is suggesting. 2000 7-3 Dave Kaple 2001 9-3 Dave Kaple 2004 6-4 Dave Kaple 2007 8-3 B.J. Payne 2008 11-1 B.J. Payne 2009 6-4 B.J. Payne 2015 6-4 Taylor Gerhardt 2016 9-4 Taylor Gerhardt 2018 7-5 Taylor Gerhardt
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 13, 2024 7:07:22 GMT -5
To me, the bigger point is how so much employment in Shelby is tied to one location. 20-25% of workers in town are at ArcelorMittal. When you consider its mainly men there, we are looking at 30-40% of adult males in town possibly. It ain't a church, but it's as much of a gathering place for locals as any. Those types of central meeting places help a town to solidify its identity. For Shelby, its a lot of dads who spend a lot of time together and talk football.
The whole argument kinda walks out the door when you factor in Lex's basketball pedigree, but I'd argue it takes more of a village to raise an entire football team than it does to churn out 3-5 basketball stars.
Culture matters too. I read one year that something like >90% of players on Marion Local's football team had both parents graduate from Marion Local. I bet those parents like football more. It trickles down to the kids. I have a relative who was a pastor out in Ottawa and grew up in Shelby. He has always said that Ottawa and Shelby have entirely different attitudes regarding football/basketball. I wound up in Ottawa several times this basketball season. A good football team is a happy consequence/coincidence of having basketball talent to them. For Shelby, it works the opposite way.
If I took a survey of Shelby folk and ask them if they'd rather the 2017 football team or the 2024 basketball team won state, I'm positive it would be more than 60% towards football. If I play that game with Lexington, they probably pick basketball? Heck, Ontario has made a big kerfuffle about basketball in a way they never would if the football team ripped off some 3-7 seasons.
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Post by dude on Sept 13, 2024 11:13:34 GMT -5
1. To me, the bigger point is how so much employment in Shelby is tied to one location. 20-25% of workers in town are at ArcelorMittal. When you consider its mainly men there, we are looking at 30-40% of adult males in town possibly. It ain't a church, but it's as much of a gathering place for locals as any. Those types of central meeting places help a town to solidify its identity. For Shelby, its a lot of dads who spend a lot of time together and talk football. 2. The whole argument kinda walks out the door when you factor in Lex's basketball pedigree, but I'd argue it takes more of a village to raise an entire football team than it does to churn out 3-5 basketball stars. 3. Culture matters too. I read one year that something like >90% of players on Marion Local's football team had both parents graduate from Marion Local. I bet those parents like football more. It trickles down to the kids. I have a relative who was a pastor out in Ottawa and grew up in Shelby. He has always said that Ottawa and Shelby have entirely different attitudes regarding football/basketball. I wound up in Ottawa several times this basketball season. A good football team is a happy consequence/coincidence of having basketball talent to them. For Shelby, it works the opposite way. 4. If I took a survey of Shelby folk and ask them if they'd rather the 2017 football team or the 2024 basketball team won state, I'm positive it would be more than 60% towards football. If I play that game with Lexington, they probably pick basketball? Heck, Ontario has made a big kerfuffle about basketball in a way they never would if the football team ripped off some 3-7 seasons. 1. Not uncommon for a smaller community. If true it would explain Clyde/Whirlpool. If you take a look at major manufacturing facilities in rural areas does that same statement hold water on a larger model, or is just describe Shelby? 2. IF a factory helps Shelby football it's not the same argument for Shelby basketball. 3. Marion Local is a farming community so not many outsiders move into an area to farm. And their success is across all sports but football carries the most press. 4. Both Shelby and Lexington have more kids playing football in high school than playing basketball so your survey could be very similar depending on specifically who you asked.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 13, 2024 14:47:47 GMT -5
One difference between Lexington and Shelby. Is Shelby doesn't offer soccer. So football is king there. Someone might say soccer guys probably wouldn't be interested in football anyways. So the would not just do a fall sport. Overall football has a great history at Shelby. I remember when I was in school Shelby had atleast 80-90 kids on the sidelines dressed on Friday nights. That was early to mid 1980s.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 13, 2024 21:27:24 GMT -5
New Philadelphia 14 Ashland 17
Mansfield Senior 7 West Holmes 33
Wooster 24 Mansfield Madison 35
Akron North 6 Lexington 49
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Post by dude on Sept 14, 2024 6:48:34 GMT -5
Game of the week was not a disappointment. Ashland/NP was a good battle of two good teams. I know it's not possible this year but a rematch would be another coin toss.
Mansfield is definitely not a team like recent past. Injuries are a factor in this 0-4 start. Could be 0-5 looking at their schedule.
History made, Madison with a win and they have some positive things happening. Good for them. Looks like Wooster is happy to replace Mt Vernon in the OCC football ranks.
Lexington, like Mansfield, dealing with devastating injuries to key players finally had a good night, made some big plays, ran the ball well and had some highlight catches. Or is North just that bad. Have to wait until next week to find out.
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Post by ryman11677 on Sept 14, 2024 10:29:55 GMT -5
I would have to say after 4 weeks 1. Ashland is the team to beat 2. New Philadelphia 3 west Holmes (need to have more discipline too many flags) 4. Mansfield (qb has an arm also no discipline) 5. Lexington (for the moment) 6. Madison 7 wooster
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 14, 2024 12:10:40 GMT -5
DOVER 2025 schedule so far... 1 2(H) Steubenville 3(H) West Holmes 4@ Lexington 5@ Ashland 6 7@ Wooster 8(H) Mansfield Madison 9(H) Mansfield Senior 10(H) New Philadelphia
They had said Dover would be in league play starting in 25/26 in every sport but football. It now appears that Dover is playing all conference teams in '25, so will the Tornadoes be competing for the OCC title in football next year?
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Post by ryman11677 on Sept 14, 2024 12:23:18 GMT -5
Dover won’t be in league for football till 2026 the schools in OCC needed to fill open week with mt Vernon leaving
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Post by dude on Sept 14, 2024 12:26:21 GMT -5
DOVER 2025 schedule so far... 1 2(H) Steubenville 3(H) West Holmes 4@ Lexington 5@ Ashland 6 7@ Wooster 8(H) Mansfield Madison 9(H) Mansfield Senior 10(H) New Philadelphia They had said Dover would be in league play starting in 25/26 in every sport but football. It now appears that Dover is playing all conference teams in '25, so will the Tornadoes be competing for the OCC title in football next year? Lexington originally had a two year agreement with Akron North. If this report is true they have asked to break their original agreement to add Dover.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 14, 2024 13:26:59 GMT -5
LEXINGTON 2025 schedule... 1(H) Ontario 2@ Shelby 3(H) Clear Fork 4(H) Dover 5@ Wooster 6(H) Mansfield Senior 7@ West Holmes 8(H) New Philadelphia 9@ Mansfield Madison 10(H) Ashland
AKRON NORTH 1 2@ Cuyahoga Falls 3@ North Canton Hoover 4 5 6(H) Akron Garfield 7@ Akron East 8@ Akron Ellet 9(H) Akron Firestone 10@ Akron Buchtel
Looks like it changed. Akron North looking for week 4 opponent now.
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Post by unc4life on Sept 14, 2024 13:30:05 GMT -5
Really good game by Ashland last night. I said coming into the season that Ashland’s defense had the chance to be really good. Up until last night we haven’t real seen it yet. But last night they showed up. Played physical, fast football. If they can continue to do that they will be hard to beat.
I think two things stood out to me. 1. Ashland used about 8 guys on the Dline and that really payed off in the 4th quarter. 2. Ashland had a kicker they trusted and New Philly didn’t. Those 3 points were the difference.
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Post by ryman11677 on Sept 15, 2024 9:18:34 GMT -5
When Dover is officially in the league everyone would be back to weeks 4-10 league games not have non league game that week If Dover was in the league this year west Holmes would have had 5 league home games and 2 away. It’s supposed to be 4-3 then 3-4. So they will have to play someone in next 2 years either away or home back to back seasons
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Post by dude on Sept 15, 2024 9:48:48 GMT -5
LEXINGTON 2025 schedule... 1(H) Ontario 2@ Shelby 3(H) Clear Fork 4(H) Dover 5@ Wooster 6(H) Mansfield Senior 7@ West Holmes 8(H) New Philadelphia 9@ Mansfield Madison 10(H) Ashland AKRON NORTH 1 2@ Cuyahoga Falls 3@ North Canton Hoover 4 5 6(H) Akron Garfield 7@ Akron East 8@ Akron Ellet 9(H) Akron Firestone 10@ Akron Buchtel Looks like it changed. Akron North looking for week 4 opponent now. Where are you seeing these schedules?
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 15, 2024 11:29:55 GMT -5
Yappi Sports
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Post by dude on Sept 15, 2024 20:28:45 GMT -5
I’m curious where they are getting them. The school control schedule site still has Akron North in week 4 next year.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 15, 2024 20:44:26 GMT -5
What, where is the school control schedule site?
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Post by dude on Sept 15, 2024 20:46:44 GMT -5
What, where is the school control schedule site? OHSAA uses dragonfly for all sports
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Sept 15, 2024 20:48:42 GMT -5
Dragonfly along with max preps takes a long time to update.
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Post by dude on Sept 16, 2024 10:16:12 GMT -5
Dragonfly along with max preps takes a long time to update. Dragonfly is the direct contact from every athletic director. That is the site they enter their schedules into. The contract for every event is set up in dragonfly so it would be the source that initiates all others schedules. So anything else would be using dragonfly information or questionably accurate info.
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