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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 20:51:21 GMT -5
Update, Canton C.C. 24 Edison 14 4th 6:30 left in the game
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 21:15:33 GMT -5
Final score, Canton Central Catholic 24 Edison 14 Coldwater 34 Coshocton 14 4th qtr.
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Post by hsfootballnwo on Nov 26, 2016 21:25:26 GMT -5
What the f--- are you talking about? Edison played Norwalk when the Truckers got better and made the playoffs both times, not to mention had to put up playing in a conference with teams that were (much) bigger than them. I had no idea how much smaller Edison was than the rest of the old SBC until I looked at the numbers last year. I always assumed they were about the same size as Port Clinton and Oak Harbor. Perhaps Clyde and Perkins had it too good in the past and now you're mad because things aren't like that anymore? This was a move that should've been made 5-10 years ago. Quit sticking up for the big boys. Edison was D4 in 2012, not 5-10 years ago as you mention. When Edison was in Div. IV 5-10 years ago, there were only six divisions. Plus, that doesn't change the fact that Perkins and Clyde had a sizable advantage over the rest of the league, not to mention Margaretta was trending downward and St. Mary CC was way too small for the league.
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Post by dump on Nov 26, 2016 21:33:48 GMT -5
Congrats to Edison Chargers on a great season. Look for Huron to get to this position next year behind Jared Hohler. People forget he threw for 1,500 yards last season. Should be all state caliber next year. But congrats to Edison, too bad the dumped this game off. Go tigers
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2016 21:43:54 GMT -5
^^^ dumb dumb, The above name you posted is a senior, thought you said there is going to be a transfer from Ann Arbor Pioneer, a QB that was 1st team all Michigan. Guess you can't keep track of your own lies. Huron will have another losing season, get over it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 26, 2016 23:09:22 GMT -5
TRUTH
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Post by runshoot on Nov 27, 2016 0:36:43 GMT -5
So with your way of thinking Clyde and Perkins should be scheduling D-1 schools (2 divisions up.) Correct? Clyde is playing Anthony Wayne next year, who is in the final 4 in D2. Toledo Start is D1 as well. Bellevue is playing Canton CC as well.... Edison dropped Norwalk like a LEAD BALLOON as soon as they could, which they did. ("We can't play all these D3 schools. Our kids just can't compete"). My MAIN point is why not play a local LEAGUE AFFILIATED school (like a Bellevue, Clyde, etc) who ACTUALLY travel and support their programs and BOTH schools benefit from a legitimate gate. So yeah, the bigs have to play up, travel half across the state to find games while when they do host the visiting team brings under 50 fans. (Of course, Edison usually brings 150 max anyways. PLEASE don't pretend that they travel during the year. Huron is another guilty party to this.) Why doesn't Edison play St. Paul? ? Great gate, 5 minutes away...wait.....Two Divisions bigger than them.... Anyways, good luck to the Chargers... with your logic or lack of. why would bigger schools step down to play edison? if edison needs to step up doesnt clyde and perkins? they destroyed perkins by the way. and was very close to winning against clyde. they just played in the final four in division V. thats pretty impressive
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 30, 2016 9:49:39 GMT -5
Always bet on teams with anything catholic related in their names in November Ohio football. I would normally agree. Not because of "Catholic", but many of these schools are battle-tested this time of year. Edison wasn't going to pose a challenge to CCC that the latter hasn't already seen much of the year. Congrats to the Chargers on another solid season!
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Post by ScarletFever on Nov 30, 2016 9:59:01 GMT -5
Always bet on teams with anything catholic related in their names in November Ohio football. I would normally agree. Not because of "Catholic", but many of these schools are battle-tested this time of year. Edison wasn't going to pose a challenge to CCC that the latter hasn't already seen much of the year. Congrats to the Chargers on another solid season! The private school admins are battle tested in limiting enrollment and allowing some of the areas best athletes to thump on d5-7 small schools.
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Post by maplecityjake on Nov 30, 2016 10:09:25 GMT -5
They don't limit enrollment; strong Public schools in their neck of the woods limit the enrollment. Your premise doesn't hold water because the schools you are accusing of doing this were successful as big(ger) schools.
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Post by ScarletFever on Nov 30, 2016 20:34:18 GMT -5
They don't limit enrollment; strong Public schools in their neck of the woods limit the enrollment. Your premise doesn't hold water because the schools you are accusing of doing this were successful as big(ger) schools. Biased take. I've been proven right for over a decade.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 1, 2016 10:45:26 GMT -5
Help me; where's the bias on my part?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 1, 2016 14:01:35 GMT -5
There is no LEGAL way a public school can "limit" enrollment. A public school district can participate in the State's Open Enrollment Program, but that only increases students, does not "limit". A public school district MUST make a concerted effort to educate every child within their boundaries, that do not attend a private school. A public school can expel a student, but it takes MUCH more to do so than at a private school. Kids drop out of public schools more often than they leave private schools. Private schools CAN "limit" the number of students they have in any manner they wish. Public schools CAN NOT.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 2, 2016 12:02:59 GMT -5
Willard, what I meant by my statement is a strong public district can limit the parochial as in being a better option for their child/children. For example, Columbus by far the largest city/metro in Ohio, does not have a DI Parochial school. Why? There are many solid Public districts in that region. Also, I believe schools like Mentor Lake Catholic have taken a hit a little in recent years due to Mentor being solid academically and athletically. St. Joe with Ross/Clyde as well over the years.
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Post by ScarletFever on Dec 2, 2016 21:55:27 GMT -5
Willard gets it. 90% get it.
10% want to keep the illusion alive.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 6, 2016 10:43:17 GMT -5
There is nothing 'to get.' We all know that. Bottom line, most programs want the glossy 10-0 and/or 20-0 records, and then get culture shocked when they aren't the baddest kid on the block when playing a Parochial whose goal is to get better when it matters most. If one wants Hardware, be adequately prepared come tourney. Like BBmind usually states, to complain about a system is to not fully understand the system.
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Post by ScarletFever on Dec 7, 2016 13:38:50 GMT -5
Read the same denial nonsense for over 10 years.
Proven right sf.
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 7, 2016 19:30:39 GMT -5
Very good.
As I have stated before, results in athletic competition speak for themselves.
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2016 4:58:02 GMT -5
Only when the same rules apply to everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 11:00:14 GMT -5
If there is ever any doubt to the character of the Parochial school leaders or the path these schools are walking. Take a 5'7-105lb. junior with a 3.5 GPA and no sports history to the admin's office and say they want to attend school there but cannot afford tuition and wait for the response. The next day take a 6'4-215lb. junior who rushed for 1800 yds and had 132 tackles last season with the same request.
If the response is any different in either of these fictional situations, there is a problem with the system. If you think these situations are fictional, then you have been fooled by the system.
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Post by piratefan on Dec 8, 2016 11:48:23 GMT -5
If there is ever any doubt to the character of the Parochial school leaders or the path these schools are walking. Take a 5'7-105lb. junior with a 3.5 GPA and no sports history to the admin's office and say they want to attend school there but cannot afford tuition and wait for the response. The next day take a 6'4-215lb. junior who rushed for 1800 yds and had 132 tackles last season with the same request. If the response is any different in either of these fictional situations, there is a problem with the system. If you think these situations are fictional, then you have been fooled by the system. Boom! There it is! TRUTH!!
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 9, 2016 11:04:00 GMT -5
Only when the same rules apply to everyone. I'm a little surprised to see you react in this regard considering your avatar is of a team considered to pull off one of the greater upsets in Ohio Title game history.
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Post by galion on Dec 9, 2016 13:30:45 GMT -5
Because occasionally a public school manages to overcome the odds that makes it ok? It's a little surprising considering the morality and values that are alleged to be a part of the private school culture that they would be so quick the take advantage and defend a system which is clearly so uneven.
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Post by galion on Dec 9, 2016 13:36:06 GMT -5
To be clear I'm not one who advocates separate tournaments but I do believe that a private school's division should be determined based on the population base that it recruits from not by the number of students that it allows in its school.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 14:14:28 GMT -5
Private schools have made threats to separate from the OHSAA and recruit aggressively if they get separated in any way from the public school ranks in tournaments and playoffs. IMO, I would call them on this. From what I have seen over the year, the fan support in general for private schools is so low at many events that a strong tournament or playoff situation would not be supported by the revenue it produces. Now some schools have great followings but to have multiple teams on a football field in the regionals with 200 people in the stands would not last long. Specially if the public games were being played at the same time.
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Post by galion on Dec 9, 2016 21:32:51 GMT -5
They already recruit aggressively. Fine let them separate. If the public schools refuse to play them in the regular season in response who are they going to schedule. Nevermind the paltry home attendance figures wait until they all need to schedule several out of state road trips a year to fill their schedules. They may have to actually have to raise their artificial admittance caps to pay for them.
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Post by ScarletFever on Dec 9, 2016 22:35:48 GMT -5
I don't even think jake believes his own arguments anymore, he's just trying to provide some discussion on the board. Kudos to him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 0:43:06 GMT -5
They already recruit aggressively. Fine let them separate. If the public schools refuse to play them in the regular season in response who are they going to schedule. Nevermind the paltry home attendance figures wait until they all need to schedule several out of state road trips a year to fill their schedules. They may have to actually have to raise their artificial admittance caps to pay for them. As of now the recruiting is under the table. I have heard a coach say he would go to schools and talk to kids in the parking lot if they were not in the OHSAA. That's aggressive recruiting for a high school IMO.
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Post by galion on Dec 10, 2016 8:05:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain the private schools can talk to any pre high school enrollee that they wish. I'm not even certain that it's limited to pre high schoolers. The disclaimer being that if they are a Catholic school they have to reside within the borders the the diocese sets for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2016 12:19:33 GMT -5
Private school Admins can talk to anyone about attending their schools. Coaches do not have the same ability without breaking the rules.
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