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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 8:14:15 GMT -5
From initial indications, Danbury is interested in coming with Gibsonburg to the SBC. Makes sense. We shall see how this plays out. Would they simply fill up the empty spots in the River division of schools without football. So nobody would be moving.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Feb 28, 2017 9:23:58 GMT -5
You think Lakota wants to move up to the Bay in basketball?? They're currently the the largest school in the River Division in basketball. With 2 smaller schools joining, that's where they'll be put. Vermilion said they would not join the SBC if they were made to play in the Lake Division in football. That's where they're headed with 2 small schools joining. Why do you supposed Willard decided to go to the NEW SBC? They hoped for something close to a .500 record in football. That was a possibility in the River, never gonna happen in the Bay. That's where they'd be headed with 2 smaller schools joining All very logical, if one thinks about it. But what if they added both of the new small schools to the River Division for football, and had the divisions for the 20 schools with that sport divided up as 6-6-8. That would keep Vermilion and Willard where they are. And in the other sports (which would then have 23 schools), you could either do as you say and put Lakota in the Bay, keep the Lake as is, and have it be 7-8-8....(or)....if Lakota really wants to stay in the River, you could even have it be 7-7-9, since odd numbers aren't really a huge scheduling problem for sports not named football. Though of course, this discussed scenario is simply about adding only Gibsonburg and Danbury, and doesn't address the possibility of Shelby leaving and/or Hopewell Loudon joining.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 10:25:16 GMT -5
BB, Adding those 2 to the River division would work and your options have been thought of and make perfect sense for the continued growth of the SBC.
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 28, 2017 10:45:20 GMT -5
Port Clinton is now the school on the fringe of the Bay/Lake with the most recent enrollment numbers. Lakota is interesting. Growing enrollment and possibility of St Wendy closes their downs in the future could really separate them from the other River schools, in terms of enrollment.
Sounds like most multi-division conferences only look at changing divisions every four years and it's usually an average of counts. That makes more sense and eliminates a big or small class having a "big" impact on the entire conference.
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Post by Skip Bayless on Feb 28, 2017 11:21:11 GMT -5
so lets talk stupidness here, now you're going to add two more teams to the small division which might be good for football, but it overcrowds the other sports? yes? no?
and can danbury compete in football ? i say no
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Post by kingmartinez on Feb 28, 2017 11:42:47 GMT -5
so lets talk stupidness here, now you're going to add two more teams to the small division which might be good for football, but it overcrowds the other sports? yes? no? and can danbury compete in football ? i say no Over crowd? These schools all play each other anyways...Similar size, similar communities. Now they get a home and home.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 28, 2017 12:22:51 GMT -5
You think Lakota wants to move up to the Bay in basketball?? They're currently the the largest school in the River Division in basketball. With 2 smaller schools joining, that's where they'll be put. Vermilion said they would not join the SBC if they were made to play in the Lake Division in football. That's where they're headed with 2 small schools joining. Why do you supposed Willard decided to go to the NEW SBC? They hoped for something close to a .500 record in football. That was a possibility in the River, never gonna happen in the Bay. That's where they'd be headed with 2 smaller schools joining All very logical, if one thinks about it. But what if they added both of the new small schools to the River Division for football, and had the divisions for the 20 schools with that sport divided up as 6-6-8. That would keep Vermilion and Willard where they are. And in the other sports (which would then have 23 schools), you could either do as you say and put Lakota in the Bay, keep the Lake as is, and have it be 7-8-8....(or)....if Lakota really wants to stay in the River, you could even have it be 7-7-9, since odd numbers aren't really a huge scheduling problem for sports not named football. Though of course, this discussed scenario is simply about adding only Gibsonburg and Danbury, and doesn't address the possibility of Shelby leaving and/or Hopewell Loudon joining. If you were an 8 or 9 school division, why not be a League unto yourself? One wouldn't be dependent on 12 larger schools making decisions for you the smaller schools. And, a trophy that says "League Champion" looks a lot better than one that says "Division Champion".
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 18:13:11 GMT -5
I was told all games played outside of the divisions (Bay, Lake, or River) is considered a non conference games. Each division is their own league. Huron (Bay) has a non conference game @ Margaretta (River), next football season. Going to Castalia sure beats a bus trip half way across state for a non conference game.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Feb 28, 2017 19:01:47 GMT -5
so lets talk stupidness here, now you're going to add two more teams to the small division which might be good for football, but it overcrowds the other sports? yes? no? and can danbury compete in football ? i say no Danbury is making this move for reasons other than football. If it was a football related decision they sure as hell wouldn't be leaving the TAAC.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 28, 2017 23:52:39 GMT -5
I was told all games played outside of the divisions (Bay, Lake, or River) is considered a non conference games. Each division is their own league. Huron (Bay) has a non conference game @ Margaretta (River), next football season. Going to Castalia sure beats a bus trip half way across state for a non conference game. If "each division is their own league". What do they have to say about wrestling, tennis, golf and soccer? Will there be separate league meets for cross country and track? Will the trophy's say anything about the SBC? Will the trophy say SBC Bay League Champion OR SBC Bay Division Champion? If it says nothing about SBC and each division is really a league, why is there an SBC LEAGUE with three DIVISIONS?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 7:59:47 GMT -5
I was told all games played outside of the divisions (Bay, Lake, or River) is considered a non conference games. Each division is their own league. Huron (Bay) has a non conference game @ Margaretta (River), next football season. Going to Castalia sure beats a bus trip half way across state for a non conference game. These cross over games maybe convenient for travel but will not help with playoff points if every is playing each other and not spreading the wealth. Basically what will happen is teams will play each other and no outside points will come in less making the playoffs. Clyde non conference -East Wood, TC and a Toledo City (just an example). I am sure someone will probably prove my theory wrong, what I don't understand is why Margaretta was so adamant about getting out of the old SBC but is now playing cross over against Norwalk and Huron.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 1, 2017 22:44:17 GMT -5
Margaretta can now lose to any combination of Clyde, Perkins, Huron, PC and OH and still get a trophy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 10:17:30 GMT -5
With all of the questions surrounding the scheduling in this new SBC, you have to wonder how long it will be before it all falls apart. Some use the Columbus area OCC as a guideline of how a major conference with multiple divisions can work but they have 30+ schools with the availability of 100 more within 2-3 connecting counties. The SBC area may not have 30 to select from and many are smaller schools.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Mar 2, 2017 10:48:14 GMT -5
I was told all games played outside of the divisions (Bay, Lake, or River) is considered a non conference games. Each division is their own league. Huron (Bay) has a non conference game @ Margaretta (River), next football season. Going to Castalia sure beats a bus trip half way across state for a non conference game. If "each division is their own league". What do they have to say about wrestling, tennis, golf and soccer? Will there be separate league meets for cross country and track? Will the trophy's say anything about the SBC? Will the trophy say SBC Bay League Champion OR SBC Bay Division Champion? If it says nothing about SBC and each division is really a league, why is there an SBC LEAGUE with three DIVISIONS? Wrestling will be one tourney, with Team Champs for each Division. Tennis, Track, Golf and Soccer will each have a Division Champ as will track.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Mar 2, 2017 10:50:28 GMT -5
With all of the questions surrounding the scheduling in this new SBC, you have to wonder how long it will be before it all falls apart. Some use the Columbus area OCC as a guideline of how a major conference with multiple divisions can work but they have 30+ schools with the availability of 100 more within 2-3 connecting counties. The SBC area may not have 30 to select from and many are smaller schools. makes scheduling a lot easier. team A is looking for non-league games. You have 14-15 possible other opponents in the same room, makes it very easy to schedule games. The wrestling meet will be a meat grinder. You make top four in that meet, you will be very prepared for the grind of districts....
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 2, 2017 16:01:48 GMT -5
If "each division is their own league". What do they have to say about wrestling, tennis, golf and soccer? Will there be separate league meets for cross country and track? Will the trophy's say anything about the SBC? Will the trophy say SBC Bay League Champion OR SBC Bay Division Champion? If it says nothing about SBC and each division is really a league, why is there an SBC LEAGUE with three DIVISIONS? Wrestling will be one tourney, with Team Champs for each Division. Tennis, Track, Golf and Soccer will each have a Division Champ as will track. So, in the case of Wrestling, each division is not "their own league". In each division how many schools have a tennis, golf and soccer team? What is the "league" rule about how many schools must compete in a sport in each division in order to award a division Championship?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 8:19:56 GMT -5
With all of the questions surrounding the scheduling in this new SBC, you have to wonder how long it will be before it all falls apart. Some use the Columbus area OCC as a guideline of how a major conference with multiple divisions can work but they have 30+ schools with the availability of 100 more within 2-3 connecting counties. The SBC area may not have 30 to select from and many are smaller schools. makes scheduling a lot easier. team A is looking for non-league games. You have 14-15 possible other opponents in the same room, makes it very easy to schedule games. The wrestling meet will be a meat grinder. You make top four in that meet, you will be very prepared for the grind of districts.... I disagree from a football playoff standpoint. If Edison is a bubble playoff team/2nd place conference finishing type team, does scheduling Clyde help- no, if Edison beats clyde, Clyde is probably not going to do every well in their conference not gaining Edison any points. Sort like back in the day when Firelands Conference teams scheduled SBC teams in the 90's and 2000's. Firelands Conference teams typically gained nothing by playing these teams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 9:35:35 GMT -5
duck, I feel clydesbcfan was talking about the ease of getting a schedule together. For the few that are in the playoff talks every year they will need to take a look at games outside of the non-division SBC teams. But to your point, Edison may have to get away from playing Willard, SMCC and Western Reserve before worrying about Clyde not getting them points.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Mar 3, 2017 9:40:16 GMT -5
Wrestling will be one tourney, with Team Champs for each Division. Tennis, Track, Golf and Soccer will each have a Division Champ as will track. So, in the case of Wrestling, each division is not "their own league". In each division how many schools have a tennis, golf and soccer team? What is the "league" rule about how many schools must compete in a sport in each division in order to award a division Championship? Girls tennis - 2 Divisions (16 schools) Boys tennis - 2 Divisions (16 schools) Boys Golf - 3 Divisions (21 schools) Soccer - Girls - 10 (1 div) Boys 12 2- div
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 3, 2017 10:07:16 GMT -5
What will the division names be in sports where there are only 2 divisions? Lake & River? Bay & River? Lake & Bay?
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Post by kritz on Mar 3, 2017 10:33:15 GMT -5
Pond and Stream.
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Post by Uplifting Ursula on Mar 3, 2017 10:51:10 GMT -5
I was told all games played outside of the divisions (Bay, Lake, or River) is considered a non conference games. Each division is their own league. Huron (Bay) has a non conference game @ Margaretta (River), next football season. Going to Castalia sure beats a bus trip half way across state for a non conference game. These cross over games maybe convenient for travel but will not help with playoff points if every is playing each other and not spreading the wealth. Basically what will happen is teams will play each other and no outside points will come in less making the playoffs. Clyde non conference -East Wood, TC and a Toledo City (just an example). I am sure someone will probably prove my theory wrong, what I don't understand is why Margaretta was so adamant about getting out of the old SBC but is now playing cross over against Norwalk and Huron. Look for the positive, too much negativity in today's world. I believe the MAC (Coldwater, Marion Local, St Henry, Delphos St Johns, etc) plays 9 league games in football and they win all the small division State Titles.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Mar 3, 2017 12:52:32 GMT -5
These cross over games maybe convenient for travel but will not help with playoff points if every is playing each other and not spreading the wealth. Basically what will happen is teams will play each other and no outside points will come in less making the playoffs. Clyde non conference -East Wood, TC and a Toledo City (just an example). I am sure someone will probably prove my theory wrong, what I don't understand is why Margaretta was so adamant about getting out of the old SBC but is now playing cross over against Norwalk and Huron. Look for the positive, too much negativity in today's world. I believe the MAC (Coldwater, Marion Local, St Henry, Delphos St Johns, etc) plays 9 league games in football and they win all the small division State Titles. The MAC has ten teams that play an 8-game league schedule so they can get one more non-conference game to boost the chances of having teams make the playoffs. It obviously has worked considering they can get 4-6 teams in the postseason in recent years, whereas before they were typically getting about 2-4 in the playoffs. Adding a 7th division really helped as well, I should add. This setup means that a school will only play 8 of 9 league members in a given season. I am going off of memory here, but I think the MAC figures out which schools are left off of the other's schedule by taking the league record for each MAC school over a two year period and ranks the schools 1-10. Let's say Coldwater is 1st, Marion Local is 2nd, Parkway is 9th, and New Bremen is 10th for a given 2-year cycle. Coldwater, being #1, will not play #10 New Bremen for the next two years. Marion Local, being #2, will not play #9 Parkway for the next two years. #3 won't play #8, #4 won't play #7, and #5 won't play #6. That could've been more concise I imagine but no one is paying me for clarity here.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 3, 2017 16:18:41 GMT -5
Just as I thought, the NEW SBC...... IS NOT a League of 3 Divisions that are the same as 3 Leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 17:09:46 GMT -5
Look for the positive, too much negativity in today's world. I believe the MAC (Coldwater, Marion Local, St Henry, Delphos St Johns, etc) plays 9 league games in football and they win all the small division State Titles. The MAC is primarily 10 smaller schools but because even the bottom 5 win games the top 5 get points from them. Many conference winners get nothing from the bottom teams.
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Post by deathfromabove on Mar 3, 2017 17:34:45 GMT -5
kritz, if not pond and stream how about field and stream.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 20:43:41 GMT -5
Look for the positive, too much negativity in today's world. I believe the MAC (Coldwater, Marion Local, St Henry, Delphos St Johns, etc) plays 9 league games in football and they win all the small division State Titles. The MAC has ten teams that play an 8-game league schedule so they can get one more non-conference game to boost the chances of having teams make the playoffs. It obviously has worked considering they can get 4-6 teams in the postseason in recent years, whereas before they were typically getting about 2-4 in the playoffs. Adding a 7th division really helped as well, I should add. This setup means that a school will only play 8 of 9 league members in a given season. I am going off of memory here, but I think the MAC figures out which schools are left off of the other's schedule by taking the league record for each MAC school over a two year period and ranks the schools 1-10. Let's say Coldwater is 1st, Marion Local is 2nd, Parkway is 9th, and New Bremen is 10th for a given 2-year cycle. Coldwater, being #1, will not play #10 New Bremen for the next two years. Marion Local, being #2, will not play #9 Parkway for the next two years. #3 won't play #8, #4 won't play #7, and #5 won't play #6. That could've been more concise I imagine but no one is paying me for clarity here. It goes year to year. 1 doesn't play 10, 2 doesn't play 9, ect
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Post by Skip Bayless on Mar 4, 2017 10:38:59 GMT -5
With all of the questions surrounding the scheduling in this new SBC, you have to wonder how long it will be before it all falls apart. Some use the Columbus area OCC as a guideline of how a major conference with multiple divisions can work but they have 30+ schools with the availability of 100 more within 2-3 connecting counties. The SBC area may not have 30 to select from and many are smaller schools. makes scheduling a lot easier. team A is looking for non-league games. You have 14-15 possible other opponents in the same room, makes it very easy to schedule games. The wrestling meet will be a meat grinder. You make top four in that meet, you will be very prepared for the grind of districts.... when no one else wants to play you in football it does not make it easier.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2017 16:02:05 GMT -5
How would you know anything about that Skip, living in LA?
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Post by Skip Bayless on Mar 4, 2017 23:10:00 GMT -5
my Uncle Fester lived in Mansfield, OH was a star basketball player for the Malabar Falcons. I am very familiar with the Cedar Point area. thanks for your interest
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