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Post by redmen62 on Mar 7, 2017 10:20:53 GMT -5
Per Courier twitter...Fostoria St. Wendelin will drop football. Breaking: According to an email from the school, St. Wendelin drops football, most likely for good. We'll have more later tonight. rumor has it that St. Wendelin is supposed to close its school
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 13, 2017 20:32:24 GMT -5
I was told all games played outside of the divisions (Bay, Lake, or River) is considered a non conference games. Each division is their own league. Huron (Bay) has a non conference game @ Margaretta (River), next football season. Going to Castalia sure beats a bus trip half way across state for a non conference game. These cross over games maybe convenient for travel but will not help with playoff points if every is playing each other and not spreading the wealth. Basically what will happen is teams will play each other and no outside points will come in less making the playoffs. Clyde non conference -East Wood, TC and a Toledo City (just an example). I am sure someone will probably prove my theory wrong, what I don't understand is why Margaretta was so adamant about getting out of the old SBC but is now playing cross over against Norwalk and Huron. What I don't understand is why people are confused about Margaretta wanting out of the old SBC. It sucks but times change, Margaretta is now significantly smaller than they were in the 80's-early 90's. Hell, they are 19 boys away from being D VII. Moving to the River Division of the new SBC for football still only makes them the third largest school. Why on earth would they want to stay in a league with D III and D IV schools when they can play league games against teams closer in size? There's a big difference in playing two non-conference crossover games against larger schools vs. playing 6 conference games against larger schools. Here is a little exercise for you... Pretend that you are the AD of a brand new school... we'll call it Margaretta. Since this school is new, it does not have a history with any League. As AD, you are charged with finding a League to compete in (your school is D6 and has 119 boys.) You are presented with two options: League A: Clyde(314 boys), Perkins(267), PC(241), Huron(207), Edison(197), Oak Harbor(181) League B: Willard(169), Lakota(148), St. Mary(61), Calvert(61), St. Joseph(54) Ok AD, which league looks to provide a better competitive balance for your school of 119 boys?
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Post by Skip Bayless on Mar 13, 2017 21:33:33 GMT -5
Yet they are perfectly fine with playing against the big boys in all the other sports? Either you're up or you're not.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 13, 2017 22:21:44 GMT -5
Yet they are perfectly fine with playing against the big boys in all the other sports? Either you're up or you're not. Other than that having nothing to do with what was being talked about... Margaretta moves up to Bay in other sports because there are 3 non-football playing schools in the River. It only makes sense to move some schools around to make the number of teams in each division more equal. Clearly Football is the sport most affected by school size with the sheer roster size / number of starters needed. One of the big benefits to this mega-league is the ability to be flexible. Does it really matter if Margaretta and Willard play in the River for football and Bay for everything else? It certainly doesn't benefit them to play larger schools in all the other sports. The larger schools shouldn't want to play smaller schools in football anyway because of the computer points. There are no computer points in the other sports so it really doesn't matter who you play to make the playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2017 12:01:35 GMT -5
These cross over games maybe convenient for travel but will not help with playoff points if every is playing each other and not spreading the wealth. Basically what will happen is teams will play each other and no outside points will come in less making the playoffs. Clyde non conference -East Wood, TC and a Toledo City (just an example). I am sure someone will probably prove my theory wrong, what I don't understand is why Margaretta was so adamant about getting out of the old SBC but is now playing cross over against Norwalk and Huron. What I don't understand is why people are confused about Margaretta wanting out of the old SBC. It sucks but times change, Margaretta is now significantly smaller than they were in the 80's-early 90's. Hell, they are 19 boys away from being D VII. Moving to the River Division of the new SBC for football still only makes them the third largest school. Why on earth would they want to stay in a league with D III and D IV schools when they can play league games against teams closer in size? There's a big difference in playing two non-conference crossover games against larger schools vs. playing 6 conference games against larger schools. Here is a little exercise for you... Pretend that you are the AD of a brand new school... we'll call it Margaretta. Since this school is new, it does not have a history with any League. As AD, you are charged with finding a League to compete in (your school is D6 and has 119 boys.) You are presented with two options: League A: Clyde(314 boys), Perkins(267), PC(241), Huron(207), Edison(197), Oak Harbor(181) League B: Willard(169), Lakota(148), St. Mary(61), Calvert(61), St. Joseph(54) Ok AD, which league looks to provide a better competitive balance for your school of 119 boys? I have no problem leaving the league for being to small, but then why play big schools if thats why you left to begin with? It makes no sense, that was my only point
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 14, 2017 14:26:38 GMT -5
Just curious, who else from the massively expansive list of schools that are actually available to play a nonconference game in weeks 4 and 5 would you rather have Margaretta play?
I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. In a typical 8 school league you only have 3 non conference games to fill, but in this conglomeration of a league everyone has 5. For the traditional first 3 nonconference games where you have a lot of choice in who you play, Margaretta has scheduled Mohawk, Western Reserve and Monroeville...which makes sense for a school their size. Then for the next 2 games where the logistics of scheduling are much different, they took an opportunity to stay in their local area, with one game against their Bogart Road rival and another against a big school with a traditionally poor program. It's not like they are playing Perkins and Clyde.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 14, 2017 16:37:07 GMT -5
my Uncle Fester lived in Mansfield, OH was a star basketball player for the Malabar Falcons. I am very familiar with the Cedar Point area. thanks for your interest I followed Malabar basketball through their short history. Malabar never had a "Fester". The derivation of Malabar?
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Post by 1percenter on Apr 8, 2017 6:42:25 GMT -5
Competitive Balance enrollment numbers D5, 169 Willard D6, 153 Lakota D6, 133 Margaretta D7, 70 Calvert D7, 67 SMCC D7, 63 St Joe
D5 163-209 D6 114-162 D7 113 and below
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Post by fbfan on Apr 9, 2017 8:34:41 GMT -5
Just curious, who else from the massively expansive list of schools that are actually available to play a nonconference game in weeks 4 and 5 would you rather have Margaretta play? I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. In a typical 8 school league you only have 3 non conference games to fill, but in this conglomeration of a league everyone has 5. For the traditional first 3 nonconference games where you have a lot of choice in who you play, Margaretta has scheduled Mohawk, Western Reserve and Monroeville...which makes sense for a school their size. Then for the next 2 games where the logistics of scheduling are much different, they took an opportunity to stay in their local area, with one game against their Bogart Road rival and another against a big school with a traditionally poor program. It's not like they are playing Perkins and Clyde. I was looking at some schedules and noticed that Ridgedale and Crestline (both small schools that left the N-10) have scheduled Home and Home football games for 2017. I haven't thought out all the scenarios, but this got me to wonder if that may be a solution to the above mentioned scheduling situation?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Aug 7, 2017 7:01:30 GMT -5
Coaches poll result:
1. Calvert (6) 2. Margaretta (15) 3. SJCC (19) 4. SMCC (25) 5. Willard (29) 6. Lakota (32)
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Post by gridiron58 on Aug 7, 2017 17:01:10 GMT -5
Coaches poll result: 1. Calvert (6) 2. Margaretta (15) 3. SJCC (19) 4. SMCC (25) 5. Willard (29) 6. Lakota (32) Interesting that the two largest schools were picked to finish last by the coaches. Should be an interesting year!
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