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Post by sportsjock on Jun 22, 2017 8:20:36 GMT -5
pbs.twimg.com/media/DCjgemfW0AErACL.jpgWe all know Tyreke Smith is a high tauted and sought after 4* DE out of Cleveland Hts. Another great addition to an insane Buckeye recruiting class?........not so fast. Tyreke Smith shows the classic signs of a media seeking activist. Has he done damage to his product and appeal to major college football programs? I say, buyer beware! This kid could be a major poison and a continual distraction to your team and to your program, despite his athletic abilities. Urban Meyer insists on his teams being focused and of one mind, in accomplishing team goals. My first thoughts are, Tyreke could be the second coming of a Colin Kaepernik. He has already caught the attention of the nationwide media, my fear is, he will continue to feed on his new found celebrity status. Is he worth the risk of throwing a monkey wrench into the Buckeye locker room?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 11:34:47 GMT -5
pbs.twimg.com/media/DCjgemfW0AErACL.jpgWe all know Tyreke Smith is a high tauted and sought after 4* DE out of Cleveland Hts. Another great addition to an insane Buckeye recruiting class?........not so fast. Tyreke Smith shows the classic signs of a media seeking activist. Has he done damage to his product and appeal to major college football programs? I say, buyer beware! This kid could be a major poison and a continual distraction to your team and to your program, despite his athletic abilities. Urban Meyer insists on his teams being focused and of one mind, in accomplishing team goals. My first thoughts are, Tyreke could be the second coming of a Colin Kaepernik. He has already caught the attention of the nationwide media, my fear is, he will continue to feed on his new found celebrity status. Is he worth the risk of throwing a monkey wrench into the Buckeye locker room? You're worried about a high school kid wearing a questionable shirt? It's football people. If Urban thinks he can be an asset on the field he isn't going to care about what a shirt says from a workout. And quite frankly he has every right to voice his opinion via the Bill of Rights. Actually wish more people would stand up for what they believe in a civilized manner like this. |
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 22, 2017 14:40:35 GMT -5
He may have every right to express himself, but those liberties quickly take on a new dimension when it comes to being part of a football team.
It's not 'just' some kid wearing a shirt with a slogan, his choice of shirts hits a hot button issue that is at the height of controversy at the moment with 'black lives matter'. Not only did Tyreke wear the shirt, but had some comments that the possibility of trouble for him and whoever chooses to gamble that there will be no problem.
Kaepernik also has the right to disrespect and offend people, but you see what that got him....the unemployment line. Now he can become a full time activist. Problem is, not quite the pay level of the NFL.
Don't be surprised if Urban with his infinite wisdom, backs off on this kid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 16:01:57 GMT -5
Comparing the NFL to college sports is apples to oranges. The NFL has been known to black ball people for different things for years. Check out the story on Myron Rolle who was projected a 1st round draft choice, but took a Rhodes Scholar opportunity. There have been many more. College coaches get kids for 3-5 years. They pretty much control everything they do for those years and a 4 star player will find somewhere to play.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 22, 2017 21:29:29 GMT -5
I don't believe we are comparing NFL to college. There are possible similarity traits between Kaepernik and this young man.
As far as Kaepernicks conduct, I blame the NFL for accommodating his conduct and fueling the controversy.
It can be a burdensome task for a coach to control an outspoken and charismatic individual, college or pro.
In this particular case, it is obvious Tyreke is into 'Black Lives Matter', a divisive movement that could be very caustic for a football team.
Urban recruits young men with character and good family background. When Tyreke shows up at a Buckeye camp wearing this politically driven, racial opinion, sends all the wrong messages.
I'm guessing it may be a best case to let him go elsewhere.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jun 22, 2017 22:33:02 GMT -5
pbs.twimg.com/media/DCjgemfW0AErACL.jpgWe all know Tyreke Smith is a high tauted and sought after 4* DE out of Cleveland Hts. Another great addition to an insane Buckeye recruiting class?........not so fast. Tyreke Smith shows the classic signs of a media seeking activist. Has he done damage to his product and appeal to major college football programs? I say, buyer beware! This kid could be a major poison and a continual distraction to your team and to your program, despite his athletic abilities. Urban Meyer insists on his teams being focused and of one mind, in accomplishing team goals. My first thoughts are, Tyreke could be the second coming of a Colin Kaepernik. He has already caught the attention of the nationwide media, my fear is, he will continue to feed on his new found celebrity status. Is he worth the risk of throwing a monkey wrench into the Buckeye locker room? You're worried about a high school kid wearing a questionable shirt? It's football people. If Urban thinks he can be an asset on the field he isn't going to care about what a shirt says from a workout. And quite frankly he has every right to voice his opinion via the Bill of Rights. Actually wish more people would stand up for what they believe in a civilized manner like this. Not saying this kid could be a problem. But with that said, Urban has already spurned 4 and 5 star players, due to them being potential problems in the locker room or off the field. FYI, it's in Urban's contract that he MUST avoid all such issues that crept into Tressel's program, by being more selective in the recruits he signs. |
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 23, 2017 7:24:42 GMT -5
After reading Tyreke's post camp interview, explaining his thoughts that relate to his controversial shirt, makes me more at ease of who he is.
His main focus was on the extraordinarily high rate of black on black murder rate in this country and not an effort to perpetuate supposed targeting of black's by law enforcement.
I have little doubt Urban is on top of things and has a pretty good grasp of what is going on in Tyreke's head, his thought process and who he is as a young adult.
As WF alludes, Urban has a solid and successful grasp of this program and has yet to compromise or jeopardize his standards for the short term benefit of one individual player, who may be a liability at some point.
If Urban brings Tyreke into the fold, I'm good with that and welcome the young man to the Buckeye nation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 15:43:03 GMT -5
After reading Tyreke's post camp interview, explaining his thoughts that relate to his controversial shirt, makes me more at ease of who he is. His main focus was on the extraordinarily high rate of black on black murder rate in this country and not an effort to perpetuate supposed targeting of black's by law enforcement. I have little doubt Urban is on top of things and has a pretty good grasp of what is going on in Tyreke's head, his thought process and who he is as a young adult. As WF alludes, Urban has a solid and successful grasp of this program and has yet to compromise or jeopardize his standards for the short term benefit of one individual player, who may be a liability at some point. If Urban brings Tyreke into the fold, I'm good with that and welcome the young man to the Buckeye nation. I'm going preface this by saying this isn't what I think. Someone could say after reading this you are ok that he is protesting black on black violence, but aren't ok with him protesting white on black violence |
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 24, 2017 19:39:42 GMT -5
After reading Tyreke's post camp interview, explaining his thoughts that relate to his controversial shirt, makes me more at ease of who he is. His main focus was on the extraordinarily high rate of black on black murder rate in this country and not an effort to perpetuate supposed targeting of black's by law enforcement. I have little doubt Urban is on top of things and has a pretty good grasp of what is going on in Tyreke's head, his thought process and who he is as a young adult. As WF alludes, Urban has a solid and successful grasp of this program and has yet to compromise or jeopardize his standards for the short term benefit of one individual player, who may be a liability at some point. If Urban brings Tyreke into the fold, I'm good with that and welcome the young man to the Buckeye nation. I'm going preface this by saying this isn't what I think. Someone could say after reading this you are ok that he is protesting black on black violence, but aren't ok with him protesting white on black violence I think you understand what I was referring to, so it is not necessary to try and twist things into some kind of racial prejudice thing, which it is not. What I am saying, there is a time and a place to expound one's political or social beliefs and this is not one of them. After viewing his explanation, it appears he has things in perspective, acknowledging that most recent data shows 93% of black homicide victims are killed by other blacks. Again, not the time nor the place. Hopefully, this is an isolated display and not the beginning of a series of controversial grandstandings. |
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Post by galion on Jun 24, 2017 20:04:12 GMT -5
Yeah right. In other words you want him to go play football like a good little "boy", win a lot of games, and make the university a bunch of money. Just make sure that he keeps his mouth shut and keeps his opinions to himself. It's not like the university exists for people to learn critical thinking and how to express themselves. So what if he was protesting against "supposed targeting of blacks by law enforcement"? It's not a figment of his imagination it does actually happen. It's no different than friendly fire in the military. Occasionally, whether intentionally or not, someones going to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. If you're a relative, friend, or a member of the community where this sort of thing occurs "oops our bad" or "it's really just a few bad apples" really doesn't cut it.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 24, 2017 21:27:54 GMT -5
Would you apply the same logic to Kaepernick?
This has nothing to do with his chosen subject matter, but everything to do with the appropriateness and setting of his display.
We all have opinions, as does all the recruits and players that attend camps, but you have to admit, he has chosen to make a spectacle of himself in what some would consider controversial.
When you are attending a football camp, stick to sports and do your thing at a different time.
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Post by galion on Jun 25, 2017 3:06:20 GMT -5
If you are trying to bring attention to an issue which you consider to be a life or death matter wouldn't you do so in the most public way possible? And since when is protesting against the murder of innocent people a "controversial" topic?
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 25, 2017 6:06:15 GMT -5
If you are trying to bring attention to an issue which you consider to be a life or death matter wouldn't you do so in the most public way possible? And since when is protesting against the murder of innocent people a "controversial" topic? First appearances gave thoughts to the radical group 'Black Lives Matter' who advocate retaliation and violence against men and women of law enforcement. Tryreke's post camp discussions with the press did not reveal any association or affiliation with the radical group, that must have put a few staffers at ease. I'm not questioning his message, that is not the focus of my concerns. My only concern is possibly introducing a major distraction and divisive element to the football team. The young man comes across as an intelligent, intellectual thinker and that's good, just not the time or the place. |
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 25, 2017 6:13:46 GMT -5
You're worried about a high school kid wearing a questionable shirt? It's football people. If Urban thinks he can be an asset on the field he isn't going to care about what a shirt says from a workout. And quite frankly he has every right to voice his opinion via the Bill of Rights. Actually wish more people would stand up for what they believe in a civilized manner like this. Not saying this kid could be a problem. But with that said, Urban has already spurned 4 and 5 star players, due to them being potential problems in the locker room or off the field. FYI, it's in Urban's contract that he MUST avoid all such issues that crept into Tressel's program, by being more selective in the recruits he signs. Precisely..... No doubt, Urban and his staff have had extensive conversations with Tyreke and by now, have an exact grasp of the situation. If this is merely an isolated incident, with assurances, then he will continue to be recruited aggressively and hopefully attain his commitment. |
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Post by galion on Jun 25, 2017 8:34:39 GMT -5
The kid that is outspoken on political and other issues is a WHOLE lot less concerning to me that the one who gets into trouble with the law(for any reason) or the one we need to redshirt for a year because of grades.
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Post by sportsjock on Jun 25, 2017 12:59:36 GMT -5
The kid that is outspoken on political and other issues is a WHOLE lot less concerning to me that the one who gets into trouble with the law(for any reason) or the one we need to redshirt for a year because of grades. Good point. All three do their part in undermining the program, but in different ways. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 1, 2017 11:29:49 GMT -5
Well "worth the risk". Considered to be the #3 Weak Side DE in the 2018 class. Although, he didn't play a down of high school football until his Junior year. Was known more for his basketball prowess, at 6-3 260. That's what got him noticed by the Ohio State staff
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 1, 2017 11:58:06 GMT -5
Well "worth the risk". Considered to be the #3 Weak Side DE in the 2018 class. Although, he didn't play a down of high school football until his Junior year. Was known more for his basketball prowess, at 6-3 260. That's what got him noticed by the Ohio State staff I agree, he is well worth any risk. My concerns are minimal at this point. All those familiar with the young man and his family, say he is a very intelligent, articulate and respectful young man. Heck, he showed up at the Nike camp in Oregon wearing Ohio State gear....pretty good sign. I don't think he will ever play DE in college, especially at Ohio State. Although he is explosive off the ball, his frame strongly suggests a defensive down lineman, where his stature should fill out to a prominent 6-3 290, with Marotti's guidance. |
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 6, 2017 16:50:04 GMT -5
After hearing Tyreke speak at 'The Opening' in Oregon, I have very little of my previous concerns.
Actually, been rather impressed in how he responded to questioning and how he has conducted himself and carefully explained his viewpoints.
What now makes me a little nervous, is the newly discovered cash cow for the family, who are experiencing brisk sales of the T-shirt that Tryeke has put on display.
Tryeke will now be subject to the whim and interpretation of the NCAA rules committee. The fact that logo'd shirt sales are direct result of his promotion and publicity, could make things a little sticky with the NCAA, even though the Smith's claim, proceeds will be going to a non-profit charitable cause. If any percentage of those funds are retained for 'expenses', NCAA hierarchy may find a point of conflict.
My sincere advice to the Smith family, would be to contact the NCAA field office and get exact interpretations and rules identified and clarified.
After all, we know the NCAA considers it a violation to sell any item of your personal property and possessions , as we experienced with the Ohio State debacle.
NCAA interpretations can border on convoluted. Bottom line, I wouldn't trust that organization on any gray area matter, get it in writing.
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Post by Buckeye2b on Jul 7, 2017 9:44:48 GMT -5
The mere fact that we have set up a thread and questioned some of the things that could happen, tell me that this kid should be a no. Cut your losses and leave him be. Risk taking is for 4th and 15, not 2nd and 2, especially when his resume is somewhat limited.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 7, 2017 9:56:04 GMT -5
The mere fact that we have set up a thread and questioned some of the things that could happen, tell me that this kid should be a no. Cut your losses and leave him be. Risk taking is for 4th and 15, not 2nd and 2, especially when his resume is somewhat limited. I have little doubt, Ohio State coaches and their expert legal counsel, are sorting this out and keeping a discerning eye on the ramifications. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 20:37:50 GMT -5
NO !
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