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Post by fossywriter8 on Nov 9, 2017 23:05:17 GMT -5
Some schools will hold back kids who violate the code of conduct. Honestly, I would. What are we teaching kids that its ok to violate a contract then put them up for postseason awards? I expect pretty high standards about behavior, but what standard do we hold 15-18 year olds to? I don’t know how old you are, but how many of us > 35 years old would make a whole season if we were held to today’s standard? They’ve been punished. Their school did that. How much more should they be punished? School. Conference? District? State? Take away college scholarships? The local school district handled it locally. These kids lost three senior year games from a special year. They’ll never get them back. Armstrong will still get his full ride. Some of the kids on the bubble might need these honors to tip a partial scholarship in their favor. Might mean the difference between college or not. If a college coach or recruiter is looking at league honors to decide if a kid should get a scholarship, then he's not correctly doing his job.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 9, 2017 23:51:08 GMT -5
With sites like HUDL these guys have too many kids to evaluate. How do you narrow down what film you take the time to watch in detail? Kids whose names are in the paper, racking up stats, getting honors, etc. I’m not saying all league gets a kid a scholarship. I am saying if a kid is on the bubble it might tip things in his favor. It’s an indication other people who know football (head coaches) who have seen the kid play (conference foes) respect the kids ability.
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Post by dolittle on Nov 10, 2017 8:49:42 GMT -5
With sites like HUDL these guys have too many kids to evaluate. How do you narrow down what film you take the time to watch in detail? Kids whose names are in the paper, racking up stats, getting honors, etc. I’m not saying all league gets a kid a scholarship. I am saying if a kid is on the bubble it might tip things in his favor. It’s an indication other people who know football (head coaches) who have seen the kid play (conference foes) respect the kids ability. Wow. Really? I seriously doubt that any Div 1 gives a crap about all league or all state. Give me a break.
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 10, 2017 12:47:37 GMT -5
With sites like HUDL these guys have too many kids to evaluate. How do you narrow down what film you take the time to watch in detail? Kids whose names are in the paper, racking up stats, getting honors, etc. I’m not saying all league gets a kid a scholarship. I am saying if a kid is on the bubble it might tip things in his favor. It’s an indication other people who know football (head coaches) who have seen the kid play (conference foes) respect the kids ability. Wow. Really? I seriously doubt that any Div 1 gives a crap about all league or all state. Give me a break. Where did I say D1? Read much? Don’t get snippy. Shorty Brooks is a hell of a RB. I think he could contribute at the D2 level. Some schools might look at his height and hesitate. Senior year he misses four games. At a glance without digging a school sees fewer yards than his junior year. They think something happened and lose a little interest. All league honors come out and he’s first team. They look a little deeper and see he played four fewer games. Now they reconsider and throw a partial his way (you do know D2 can split their scholarships, right?). That’s not an impossible scenario.
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Post by utsherman on Nov 13, 2017 10:53:03 GMT -5
I've now seen Shelby's results for Bay.
Bay Division Co-Player of the Year: Brennan Armstrong
1st Team Offense: QB - Brennan Armstrong RB - Devon 'Shorty' Brooks TE - Carter Brooks WR - Brady Hill OL - Hayden Vent OL - Austin Parrigan
2nd Team Offense: WR - Uriah Schwemley
Offensive Honorable Mention: OL - Zach Hartz
1st Team Defense: DL - Carter Brooks LB - Hunter Bishop LB - Uriah Schwemley DB - Brady Hill DB - Brennan Armstrong
2nd Team Defense: DB - Hayden Vent DL - Dane Biglin
Defensive Honorable Mention: DB - Riley Place LB - Tristan Reed DL - Austin Parrigan
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Post by shsfan on Nov 13, 2017 10:55:42 GMT -5
Good Job Shelby! Good Job Coaches of the SBC not to hurt the kids for the School move out of league.
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Post by lakotamom on Nov 13, 2017 20:28:48 GMT -5
Anyone have the results for River division???
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Post by touchdown on Nov 15, 2017 23:40:26 GMT -5
I have seen the river division has the Bay and Lake full lists come out yet?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 22:36:41 GMT -5
I see Clyde got 10 all conference selections for a 3rd place finish. Sandusky got 7 for 10-0 and a first place finish. That whole process sucks because it comes down which coaches like each other.
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Post by bigwill on Nov 21, 2017 10:34:33 GMT -5
I see Clyde got 10 all conference selections for a 3rd place finish. Sandusky got 7 for 10-0 and a first place finish. That whole process sucks because it comes down which coaches like each other. Those awards certainly left me scratching my head. A few kids made 1st team all district but not all conference. You can’t tell me only 6 kids deserved first team honors from that team.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Dec 1, 2017 10:02:40 GMT -5
anyone have the full lists for these?
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Post by touchdown on Dec 4, 2017 12:37:58 GMT -5
Bay Division 2017 SBC FOOTBALL ALL CONFERENCE SELECTIONS
BAY DIVISION FIRST TEAM OFFENSE CO-MOST OUTSTANDING PERFORMER: Brennan Armstrong, Shelby/Sam Stoll, Edison *=UNANIMOUS CHOICE POSITION NAME SCHOOL GRADE QUARTERBACK Brennan Armstrong* Shelby 12 END Carter Brooks* Shelby 12 RECEIVER Brady Patterson* Edison 12 RECEIVER Chris Davis Huron 12 RECEIVER Brady Hill Shelby 12 RECEIVER Jonah Pfeil Vermilion 11 RUNNING BACK Sam Stoll* Edison 12 RUNNING BACK Devon Brooks* Shelby 12 RUNNING BACK Cooper Stine Port Clinton 10 CENTER Zach Murphy Port Clinton 12 GUARD Hayden Vent Shelby 12 GUARD Jared Tomson Edison 11 GUARD Keith Welborn Huron 12 GUARD Cole Roob Oak Harbor 11 TACKLE Hunter Lacer* Oak Harbor 12 TACKLE Austin Parrigan* Shelby 12 SPECIALTY James Hill* Edison 12
BAY DIVISION SECOND TEAM OFFENSE
QUARTERBACK Seth Hurd Vermilion 11 END John Neer Edison 12 RECEIVER Uriah Schwemley Shelby 11 RECEIVER Aric McAtee Oak Harbor 12 RECEIVER Luke Pena Vermilion 11 RUNNING BACK Lucas Critelli Huron 12 RUNNING BACK Clay Schulte Oak Harbor 10 RUNNING BACK Logan Collins Edison 12 CENTER Grant Nelson Huron 12 GUARD Austin Beidelschies Huron 12 TACKLE Keegan Gorsuch Edison 12 TACKLE Morgan Mallory Port Clinton 11
BAY DIVISION Honorable Mention Offense:
QUARTERBACK Drew Sterett Huron 11 CENTER Zach Hartz Shelby 10
2017 SBC FOOTBALL ALL CONFERENCE SELECTIONS
BAY DIVISION FIRST TEAM DEFENSE *=UNANIMOUS CHOICE POSITION NAME SCHOOL GRADE D-LINE Carter Brooks* Shelby 12 D-LINE Jared Tomson Edison 11 D-LINE Cole Roob Oak Harbor 11 D-LINE Tim Paridiso Port Clinton 12 D-LINE Tyler Bath Vermilion 12 LINEBACKER Hunter Bishop Shelby 12 LINEBACKER Jack Lykins Edison 12 LINEBACKER Uriah Schwemley Shelby 11 LINEBACKER Nate Elder Huron 11 LINEBACKER Trevor Boyd Vermilion 12 D-BACK Brady Hill* Shelby 12 D-BACK Brady Patterson Edison 12 D-BACK Brennan Armstrong Shelby 12 D-BACK Demetrius Curley Port Clinton 12
BAY DIVISION SECOND TEAM DEFENSE POSITION NAME SCHOOL GRADE D-LINE Jared Ochs Huron 12 D-LINE Hayden Vent Shelby 12 D-LINE Dane Biglin Shelby 12 D-LINE Gunar Zink Port Clinton 11 LINEBACKER Clay Schulte Oak Harbor 10 LINEBACKER Max Brenner Port Clinton 11 LINEBACKER Garrett Mapes Oak Harbor 12 LINEBACKER Jack Martin Huron 11 D-BACK Jonah Pfeil Vermilion 11 D-BACK Sam Stoll Edison 12 D-BACK Chris Davis Huron 12 D-BACK Jac Alexander Oak Harbor 10 SPECIALIST Alex Koskela Port Clinton12
Bay DIVISION Honorable Mention Defense: POSITION NAME SCHOOL GRADE D-LINE Cas Mastropaolo Edison 11 D-LINE Adam Ohms Oak Harbor 12 D-LINE Austin Parrigan Shelby 12 LINEBACKER Jacob Brewer Edison 11 LINEBACKER Tristan Reed Shelby 12 LINEBACKER Eli Balek Vermilion 12 D-BACK Riley Place Shelby 12 D-BACK Devon Brooks Shelby 12 D-BACK Keaton Balduff Huron 12 D-BACK Seth Hurd Vermilion 11 D-BACK Casey Scroggins Huron 11 D-BACK Isaiah Zapata Port Clinton 12 Honorable Mention: Edison: Jacob Brewer, Cody Scott, Jacob Barnette – Huron: Alex Kuhl – Oak Harbor: A.J. Showalter, Kaleb West, Hunter Wilkens – Port Clinton: DeShawn Strickland, Tony Nesbitt, Tyler Williams – Shelby: Riley Place, Tristen Reed – Vermilion: C.J. Keller, Caine Zannoni, Paul Knox
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So not allowing Shelby players to get league honors or play for a league title next year is ‘keeping the kids first’? I agree that excluding Shelby from a division title and the kids from conference honors hurts the kids more than anything. I would understand the SBC’s frustration if Shelby hadn’t been clear when they came in, but I have it straight from the administration that they were clear. They let the SBC know from the start that the arrangement was just until something better came along. I was told the OH and PC admins responded with we understand. We don’t want to drive to Shelby either. This is the consequence for the choice made by the Shelby BOE and Admin team. You can't have your cake and eat it too. It might stink for the kids for a year, but its the choice that was made. So if the MOAC is a better move, which I think it is, then you have to deal with not getting league honors or competing for a league title for a year to move into a better fit for your school. This day and age people don't want to face consequences for their decisions. The SBC has every right to do what they did, just as Shelby had every right to leave the league.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 5, 2018 17:18:00 GMT -5
fanofthegame, It was stated that when Shelby first came into the league that they told the so called higher ups this was only temp. until something better for them comes along. It's not like they dropped it out of the blue. To me the SBC has no right to hold Shelby and their kids from anything that they earn. That is like you finding another job that was better paid, more benefits and whatever and you told your current employer that you are giving your two weeks notice. But they say that's fine but they are going to hold your pay check but you have to still work for them during those two weeks. I don't know about you but they said that to me I'm going to tell them where they could put it and how far up. Shelby is being nice to us on not leaving open dates this year by honoring their contract and giving us two years to fix it. Now the SBC should have balls enough to give Shelby and their kids the honors that will deserve this year. That's my 2 cents on this whole thing. SBC get some balls and if Shelby wins their division give it to them and any honors their kids receive. dfa out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 19:37:12 GMT -5
Deathfromabove, being nice by not dropping them? the SBC is being nice by not dropping them. Do you know how hard it would be for them to schedule an entire season as an independent? Also, that middle tier is on the verge of collapse. Plus, Shelby told them they could be out as early this coming year. So the SBC reacted accordingly. Again, choices have consequences and this was the consequence to leave the league after one year. Plus, so what if they told them it was a temp situation. To use your analogy if you were in an interview and said I only am going to be here temporarily, they probably wouldn't have hired you if the job is meaningful.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 6, 2018 6:18:44 GMT -5
Deathfromabove, being nice by not dropping them? the SBC is being nice by not dropping them. Do you know how hard it would be for them to schedule an entire season as an independent? Also, that middle tier is on the verge of collapse. Plus, Shelby told them they could be out as early this coming year. So the SBC reacted accordingly. Again, choices have consequences and this was the consequence to leave the league after one year. Plus, so what if they told them it was a temp situation. To use your analogy if you were in an interview and said I only am going to be here temporarily, they probably wouldn't have hired you if the job is meaningful. Just tell me what the SBC has to gain from excluding Shelby from a division championship and their kids from all league honors? What’s the point? I just don’t see that decision doing anything to benefit the league. It makes them look petty and vindictive. Take the high road. Fact. If Shelby wins all their division games next year somebody is going to get a hallow division title for their trophy case because everyone is going to know they didn’t really win the division. Fact. Kids at other schools are going to get division honors they don’t really deserve because there is a Shelby kid who is better than them. They can hang it on their wall, but it won’t make them the best at their position in their division. They’ll still be the second best that won on a technicality. Is one team leaving a conference this big really that devastating? The SBC is in the drivers seat now. One team leaves and they realign. No big deal. If someone wants to leave there are likely 1-2 that will want in at the same time. They should respond to someone leaving from the position of power they have. Shrug your shoulders and say no big deal instead of acting like it bothers them and reacting like they are weakened by Shelby’s move.
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 7, 2018 2:23:08 GMT -5
Richrod, First off, they never said to the SBC that they where only going to here for one year and out. They told them that IF something comes a long that will better fit them they are going to take it. The SBC had the choice of still taking them in even thou they might leave you or vote against them from entering the conference. Are you just ****** because they came in and won the division their very first year or what. To me it sounds like it. Secondly, I do not see the Bay Division on the verge of collapsing like you think. They could move either move Margaretta or Willard up to the Bay Division since at the end of next year the River Division will be having Danbury and Gibsonburg coming into the conference. Either way there are continuance plans in place to keep this conference going. And third, Yes I do know how hard it is to draw up a schedule, I used to be a football coach and I also used to be our CYO athletic director so I know what's involve and I still say that the SBC better grow some or there will not be a SBC conference at all. And now the fourth and I hope the last one, like what fanofthegame said, if Shelby does win all their games next year and still they gave the trophy to someone else they might as well just put on that piece of hardware that Shelby really won it but since they are leaving us we are gonna give this to you instead. And the same way with conference honors, just put on it you are only second best Shelby is leaving us so you get it. Is that what you want richrod. You tell us.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:31:02 GMT -5
Richrod, First off, they never said to the SBC that they where only going to here for one year and out. They told them that IF something comes a long that will better fit them they are going to take it. The SBC had the choice of still taking them in even thou they might leave you or vote against them from entering the conference. Are you just wee wee because they came in and won the division their very first year or what. To me it sounds like it. Secondly, I do not see the Bay Division on the verge of collapsing like you think. They could move either move Margaretta or Willard up to the Bay Division since at the end of next year the River Division will be having Danbury and Gibsonburg coming into the conference. Either way there are continuance plans in place to keep this conference going. And third, Yes I do know how hard it is to draw up a schedule, I used to be a football coach and I also used to be our CYO athletic director so I know what's involve and I still say that the SBC better grow some or there will not be a SBC conference at all. And now the fourth and I hope the last one, like what fanofthegame said, if Shelby does win all their games next year and still they gave the trophy to someone else they might as well just put on that piece of hardware that Shelby really won it but since they are leaving us we are gonna give this to you instead. And the same way with conference honors, just put on it you are only second best Shelby is leaving us so you get it. Is that what you want richrod. You tell us. First off, I like your assumptions about what I am thinking. Dude, I don't care that Shelby won jack. They had an unreal team that come around once in a lifetime like their coach was quoted saying. I am just simply stating that decisions have consequences. With that, Shelby made a choice and so did the SBC plain and simple. Also, Margaretta and Willard DO NOT want to play in the Bay division for football. Football drives this league and all others. Trust me, Bay division loses another team, it will be on the verge of splitting. Dude, those SBC teams didn't have to play Shelby and Shelby didn't have to play them this upcoming year. If Shelby is upset, then they can always play other teams and the SBC teams can do the same. I think Huron and OH advertised open dates for football after the Shelby decision came in. League honors are almost meaningless, heck all anyone does on here is whine about who got screwed because of what coach. Ask Massillon, St. Ed's, Iggy, Hoban, etc if it is hurting their kids not to get league honors. Come on, now I can get on board with them being upset they can't play for a league title. But hey, just as Shelby was entitled to leave, the SBC was entitled to basically boot them for next year. And yes, when Shelby notified them the SBC of the move, they said it might be as early as next year, they had to wait on North Union or whoever was leaving the MOAC to figure out when they were leaving. That is partially why the SBC reacted the way it did, IMO. Shelby should be excited though, that league is a much better fit and probably a more stable league. Heck you don't have to schedule as many OOC game for football and you renew some local rivalries with CF, Ontario, and Galion. I personally think its a win for Shelby and that not competing for a league title or the big complaint league honors for a year is worth it in the long run. I'm out boys had to put my opinion out there. Tear it up but I am out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 8:49:50 GMT -5
Richrod, First off, they never said to the SBC that they where only going to here for one year and out. They told them that IF something comes a long that will better fit them they are going to take it. The SBC had the choice of still taking them in even thou they might leave you or vote against them from entering the conference. Are you just wee wee because they came in and won the division their very first year or what. To me it sounds like it. Secondly, I do not see the Bay Division on the verge of collapsing like you think. They could move either move Margaretta or Willard up to the Bay Division since at the end of next year the River Division will be having Danbury and Gibsonburg coming into the conference. Either way there are continuance plans in place to keep this conference going. And third, Yes I do know how hard it is to draw up a schedule, I used to be a football coach and I also used to be our CYO athletic director so I know what's involve and I still say that the SBC better grow some or there will not be a SBC conference at all. And now the fourth and I hope the last one, like what fanofthegame said, if Shelby does win all their games next year and still they gave the trophy to someone else they might as well just put on that piece of hardware that Shelby really won it but since they are leaving us we are gonna give this to you instead. And the same way with conference honors, just put on it you are only second best Shelby is leaving us so you get it. Is that what you want richrod. You tell us. First off, I like your assumptions about what I am thinking. Dude, I don't care that Shelby won jack. They had an unreal team that come around once in a lifetime like their coach was quoted saying. I am just simply stating that decisions have consequences. With that, Shelby made a choice and so did the SBC plain and simple. Also, Margaretta and Willard DO NOT want to play in the Bay division for football. Football drives this league and all others. Trust me, Bay division loses another team, it will be on the verge of splitting. Dude, those SBC teams didn't have to play Shelby and Shelby didn't have to play them this upcoming year. If Shelby is upset, then they can always play other teams and the SBC teams can do the same. I think Huron and OH advertised open dates for football after the Shelby decision came in. League honors are almost meaningless, heck all anyone does on here is whine about who got screwed because of what coach. Ask Massillon, St. Ed's, Iggy, Hoban, etc if it is hurting their kids not to get league honors. Come on, now I can get on board with them being upset they can't play for a league title. But hey, just as Shelby was entitled to leave, the SBC was entitled to basically boot them for next year. And yes, when Shelby notified them the SBC of the move, they said it might be as early as next year, they had to wait on North Union or whoever was leaving the MOAC to figure out when they were leaving. That is partially why the SBC reacted the way it did, IMO. Shelby should be excited though, that league is a much better fit and probably a more stable league. Heck you don't have to schedule as many OOC game for football and you renew some local rivalries with CF, Ontario, and Galion. I personally think its a win for Shelby and that not competing for a league title or the big complaint league honors for a year is worth it in the long run. I'm out boys had to put my opinion out there. Tear it up but I am out. All-League awards matter to players at schools that don’t have much shot at state titles Your analogy of the schools that you listed are some of the best programs in nation, not just Ohio. Hoban is in the North Coast League, btw
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 9:07:18 GMT -5
Just think of Shelby as being 7 different schools when they play the SBC schedule this season. That is what the SBC is doing. Their original reaction from the higher ups to Shelby saying they were leaving was fine get out. Then the ADs got involved and say WAIT A MINUTE, if they still play as ooc games we get an extra year to find a replacement. And Shelby did not have to find 7 games. It works for both sides.
I will say that League Titles and All League awards mean far less than they used to and they mean very little to some.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jan 8, 2018 9:14:15 GMT -5
Just think of Shelby as being 7 different schools when they play the SBC schedule this season. That is what the SBC is doing. Their original reaction from the higher ups to Shelby saying they were leaving was fine get out. Then the ADs got involved and say WAIT A MINUTE, if they still play as ooc games we get an extra year to find a replacement. And Shelby did not have to find 7 games. It works for both sides. I will say that League Titles and All League awards mean far less than they used to and they mean very little to some. 5 games
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 14:06:56 GMT -5
Thank for confirming what I posted. I was speaking about replacing all SBC games.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Jan 8, 2018 15:03:33 GMT -5
I was speaking about replacing all SBC games. The games against the other 5 Bay Division schools were the only ones in question. The 3 games they have scheduled against SBC teams from the other two divisions are OOC games and were going to be played regardless of what happened between Shelby and the Bay Division schools.
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Post by A no.1 on Jan 8, 2018 16:57:57 GMT -5
I think Huron and OH advertised open dates for football after the Shelby decision came in. When it's their turn to make the drive to Richland County they want to find another game. Funny...
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 8, 2018 23:04:14 GMT -5
As far as Margaretta and Willard not wanting to play football in the bay division, they have no choice in about 2 years. That is when Hopewell-Loudon will be in the league. The River Division will have these teams in it. Sandusky St. Mary's, Fremont St. Joe's, Lakota, Tiffin Calvert, and next year Danbury and Gibsonburg will be in the River Division. And then Hopewell-Loudon in the River Division. So one or both of those schools will be moved up to the Bay Division.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jan 9, 2018 23:08:48 GMT -5
Then there's Carey, Mohawk and SE.
We better not hear any whining from the SBC bad sports when Shelby runs up the scores against SBC teams, that they brought on by their actions. Oh wait, Shelby has more class then they do.
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Post by dolittle on Jan 10, 2018 13:23:24 GMT -5
Shelby made their choice. They are lucky they are not looking for 7-8 games for next year. Maybe the parents and players should question their admins first?
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Post by deathfromabove on Jan 10, 2018 14:19:02 GMT -5
Shelby made their choice. They are lucky they are not looking for 7-8 games for next year. Maybe the parents and players should question their admins first? John, the thing is yes both sides are wrong but the SBC admins. said that it was ok with them with the situation so they should honor it and let Shelby have the honors that go along with it. It was the other school's AD's that are sticking their nose's in it and they shouldn't because the admins are the ones who make the important affairs.
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Post by fanofthegame on Jan 10, 2018 21:27:13 GMT -5
Shelby made their choice. They are lucky they are not looking for 7-8 games for next year. Maybe the parents and players should question their admins first? Lucky? How’d finding a replacement for Shelby work out for the Bay teams that tried? If they had they wouldn’t be driving to Shelby this year. It worked out for everyone. All that changed is the SBC looks petty and weak for excluding Shelby from division honors.
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