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Post by shsfan on Oct 29, 2017 12:20:21 GMT -5
Who will the win the River, Bay, Lake all league honors?
QB? WR? RB? Line?
D-line? LBs? CBs S
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Post by shsfan on Oct 29, 2017 12:23:00 GMT -5
Lake Sandusky Clyde Bellevue Perkins Norwalk Columbian
Bay Shelby Edison Port Clinton Huron Vermilion Oak Harbor
River Calvert Lakota Margaretta Willard SJCC SMCC
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Post by buckeye33 on Oct 29, 2017 12:55:52 GMT -5
Bay...Shelby starters
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Post by SportsNut on Oct 29, 2017 16:42:50 GMT -5
I have a feeling Shelby kids will get hosed on end of the year accolades...much like some of them did last year in the NOL. For those that don’t know, Shelby had a few defensive players last year get All-Ohio honors but didn’t get 1st team conference...that’s bad. Due to Shelby’s dominance this year and their leaving the SBC, I believe there will be more non-Shelby kids that don’t necessarily deserve 1st team but will get it in front of Shelby kids that are more deserving. Just my opinion...and I hope I am wrong...Having watched all of Shelby’s games this year, many of their players were head and shoulders above the rest of the Bay division...regardless of stats.
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Post by buckeye33 on Oct 29, 2017 16:58:38 GMT -5
I think your exactly right about the Shelby players. It’s a shame that coaches/ADs get in pissing contest, but punish the kids.
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Post by buckeye33 on Oct 29, 2017 17:00:11 GMT -5
When are they announced?
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Post by galion on Oct 29, 2017 17:12:48 GMT -5
I have a feeling Shelby kids will get hosed on end of the year accolades...much like some of them did last year in the NOL. For those that don’t know, Shelby had a few defensive players last year get All-Ohio honors but didn’t get 1st team conference...that’s bad. Due to Shelby’s dominance this year and their leaving the SBC, I believe there will be more non-Shelby kids that don’t necessarily deserve 1st team but will get it in front of Shelby kids that are more deserving. Just my opinion...and I hope I am wrong...Having watched all of Shelby’s games this year, many of their players were head and shoulders above the rest of the Bay division...regardless of stats. I don't know how the SBC is set up but many conferences have a rule(written or unwritten) that all teams must be represented. Every conference champion feels like they get hosed when kids that they dominated get placed ahead of their starters. When we won state and rewrote the NOL record books with our offense they only saw fit to reward 3 of our offensive players and 2/3 of our defensive players with 1st team recognition. They cut the medals into pieces to each of the starters had have a part of one. The great part is that the stuff you get for winning state far eclipses those tiny little medals.
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Post by shsfan on Oct 29, 2017 19:52:33 GMT -5
Shelby Had a D End that got voted higher in the All Ohio voting then in the NOL. That is a joke. The same thing will happen this year. Shelby will have kids on both sides of the ball that will get hosed. They have to have Armstrong, C. Brooks, Hill, D. Brooks, Center Parrigan, and maybe another linemen. I think it will be the Defense that will get shorted. So much is talked about with Shelby Offense. Just look at the stats they have the best Defense in the league, and one of the best in the State.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 20:00:31 GMT -5
You have to remember that the all-conference teams are voted by the coaches. All-district/all-state are voted by writers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 5:25:26 GMT -5
Well, you throw in the fact that Shelby is leaving and most teams don't like them for whatever reasons, plus they dominated everyone, I bet they get the short end of the stick as well. However, in my personal opinion, I think Brooks kid is special but missed the first 3 or 4 games due to a behavior issues, I think coaches look at that as well.
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Post by SportsNut on Oct 30, 2017 7:35:57 GMT -5
I have a feeling Shelby kids will get hosed on end of the year accolades...much like some of them did last year in the NOL. For those that don’t know, Shelby had a few defensive players last year get All-Ohio honors but didn’t get 1st team conference...that’s bad. Due to Shelby’s dominance this year and their leaving the SBC, I believe there will be more non-Shelby kids that don’t necessarily deserve 1st team but will get it in front of Shelby kids that are more deserving. Just my opinion...and I hope I am wrong...Having watched all of Shelby’s games this year, many of their players were head and shoulders above the rest of the Bay division...regardless of stats. I don't know how the SBC is set up but many conferences have a rule(written or unwritten) that all teams must be represented. Every conference champion feels like they get hosed when kids that they dominated get placed ahead of their starters. When we won state and rewrote the NOL record books with our offense they only saw fit to reward 3 of our offensive players and 2/3 of our defensive players with 1st team recognition. They cut the medals into pieces to each of the starters had have a part of one. The great part is that the stuff you get for winning state far eclipses those tiny little medals. I am not saying Shelby should take everything...what I am saying is there will be situations where coaches KNOW that the Shelby player is better and is more deserving...but will go with someone else instead who isn't as deserving. I am sure it happens in all conferences, but I bet it will be more pronounced in this division. Again, I hope I am wrong. I agree that all schools should be represented, but that doesn't imply they have to be represented on the 1st team or even 2nd team...there is Honorable Mention. I guess I am old school, the best kids regardless of where they play SHOULD comprise the 1st and 2nd team...and looking at Shelby's starters compared to all other Bay opponents it is pretty clear. I am sure other conference champs do feel this way as well, but lets be realistic, most conference champs don't THROTTLE ALL division opponents as Shelby did.
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Post by SportsNut on Oct 30, 2017 7:42:07 GMT -5
Well, you throw in the fact that Shelby is leaving and most teams don't like them for whatever reasons, plus they dominated everyone, I bet they get the short end of the stick as well. However, in my personal opinion, I think Brooks kid is special but missed the first 3 or 4 games due to a behavior issues, I think coaches look at that as well. Agreed...Brooks RB missed the first 4 games and that will probably hurt him as his overall numbers will be less. Stoll I believe is the rushing leader for SBC Bay division and is deserving of 1st team RB.
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Post by galion on Oct 30, 2017 12:21:56 GMT -5
He didn't miss the "conference" games though. There will be more than 1 rb on the 1st team.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 31, 2017 12:15:45 GMT -5
In the NOL they were not supposed to come out until everyone was done in the playoffs, but they always leaked out a little earlier. Does the SBC have a policy?
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Post by clydesbcfan on Oct 31, 2017 12:58:56 GMT -5
All Conference/Division Teams: Offense D 1- QB 1- End 3- Receivers 3- Running Backs 1- Center 2- Guards 2- Tackles 1-Outstanding Performer
4-Linemen 4-Linebackers 4-Defensive Backs
1-Specialty
Voting is Sunday. No minimum for All conference.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Oct 31, 2017 13:01:12 GMT -5
In the NOL they were not supposed to come out until everyone was done in the playoffs, but they always leaked out a little earlier. Does the SBC have a policy? No. Just as long everything is verified (spelling and correct spots) it will be released.
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Post by clydesbcfan on Oct 31, 2017 13:03:56 GMT -5
I think your exactly right about the Shelby players. It’s a shame that coaches/ADs get in pissing contest, but punish the kids. Shelby is also playing a SBC Football MS Schedule next year. SBC could of said no - Think finding HS games is hard, find 8 MS football games. Kids were kept first.
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Post by buckeye33 on Oct 31, 2017 15:23:46 GMT -5
So not allowing Shelby players to get league honors or play for a league title next year is ‘keeping the kids first’?
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 31, 2017 16:28:18 GMT -5
So not allowing Shelby players to get league honors or play for a league title next year is ‘keeping the kids first’? I agree that excluding Shelby from a division title and the kids from conference honors hurts the kids more than anything. I would understand the SBC’s frustration if Shelby hadn’t been clear when they came in, but I have it straight from the administration that they were clear. They let the SBC know from the start that the arrangement was just until something better came along. I was told the OH and PC admins responded with we understand. We don’t want to drive to Shelby either.
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 31, 2017 19:05:45 GMT -5
The conference bylaws are two years before leaving because there are so many ripples from a move. They refused to honor the bylaws (which I understand why) but with that decision came with consequences for their school that ultimately impacts their kids.
Also, Shelby indicated they were already out of the SBC in all sports. They requested to stay in football IF North Union was not accepted into their new conference. There was already precedence in the conference for "all in or all out" (SMCC).
It's weak sauce to try to manipulate the situation by saying the SBC should keep them for football "for the kids". Very weak.
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Post by shsfan on Nov 6, 2017 23:57:29 GMT -5
When and Where will those awards decided and shared?
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Post by clydesbcfan on Nov 7, 2017 7:21:53 GMT -5
When and Where will those awards decided and shared? It was supposed to be this past Sunday. Due to all the storms and issues, it was moved to this coming Sunday.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 9:01:04 GMT -5
Will the fact that kids missed games affect post season honors?
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 7, 2017 12:56:12 GMT -5
If people know simple division then no. Total yards/TD/completions/etc. divided by games played sorta levels the playing field. You could argue they deserve some reprocussions for what caused them to miss games, but I’d say missing the games was already their punishment. Also it’s an award for best at the position not cleanest record at the position.
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Post by dolittle on Nov 7, 2017 13:12:29 GMT -5
If people know simple division then no. Total yards/TD/completions/etc. divided by games played sorta levels the playing field. You could argue they deserve some repercussions for what caused them to miss games, but I’d say missing the games was already their punishment. Also it’s an award for best at the position not cleanest record at the position. Some schools will hold back kids who violate the code of conduct. Honestly, I would. What are we teaching kids that its ok to violate a contract then put them up for postseason awards?
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Post by SportsNut on Nov 7, 2017 14:06:50 GMT -5
I have no idea if they are doing All-Division and All-Conference or just All-Conference...but my two cents is this...IF ALL DIVISION awards, only look at the individual numbers and team numbers for the division games ONLY. For the ALL CONFERENCE, do the right thing and vote in the best players...period...regardless of numbers. Coaches are not stupid, they know who the game changers were regardless of their final output of stats. For example, due to Shelby's running clock all regular season...are coaches going to punish some of their offensive/defensive kids because they only played a half or 2 and half quarters and didn't get the chance to put up bigger numbers? Are they really going to vote in a kid who had more tackles because he got to play more D than a kid who is a superior athlete/defensive player that only played limited snaps because his team was winning big? A smart/fair coach would say NO, and take that into consideration.
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Post by SportsNut on Nov 7, 2017 14:14:46 GMT -5
If people know simple division then no. Total yards/TD/completions/etc. divided by games played sorta levels the playing field. You could argue they deserve some repercussions for what caused them to miss games, but I’d say missing the games was already their punishment. Also it’s an award for best at the position not cleanest record at the position. Some schools will hold back kids who violate the code of conduct. Honestly, I would. What are we teaching kids that its ok to violate a contract then put them up for postseason awards? I look at it this way...if we were putting together an All-Conference team from the SBC to play the All-Conference team from a different league...would you want the best at the position? Or would you want the kids who are not as good? I would put my money on the SBC coaches to pick the best at the position...
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Post by fanofthegame on Nov 7, 2017 18:48:55 GMT -5
If people know simple division then no. Total yards/TD/completions/etc. divided by games played sorta levels the playing field. You could argue they deserve some repercussions for what caused them to miss games, but I’d say missing the games was already their punishment. Also it’s an award for best at the position not cleanest record at the position. Some schools will hold back kids who violate the code of conduct. Honestly, I would. What are we teaching kids that its ok to violate a contract then put them up for postseason awards? I expect pretty high standards about behavior, but what standard do we hold 15-18 year olds to? I don’t know how old you are, but how many of us > 35 years old would make a whole season if we were held to today’s standard? They’ve been punished. Their school did that. How much more should they be punished? School. Conference? District? State? Take away college scholarships? The local school district handled it locally. These kids lost three senior year games from a special year. They’ll never get them back. Armstrong will still get his full ride. Some of the kids on the bubble might need these honors to tip a partial scholarship in their favor. Might mean the difference between college or not.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 21:56:26 GMT -5
Some schools will hold back kids who violate the code of conduct. Honestly, I would. What are we teaching kids that its ok to violate a contract then put them up for postseason awards? I expect pretty high standards about behavior, but what standard do we hold 15-18 year olds to? I don’t know how old you are, but how many of us > 35 years old would make a whole season if we were held to today’s standard? They’ve been punished. Their school did that. How much more should they be punished? School. Conference? District? State? Take away college scholarships? The local school district handled it locally. These kids lost three senior year games from a special year. They’ll never get them back. Armstrong will still get his full ride. Some of the kids on the bubble might need these honors to tip a partial scholarship in their favor. Might mean the difference between college or not. Then some might say follow the rules.
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Post by areafan1 on Nov 7, 2017 23:15:10 GMT -5
SportNuts is right coaches aren't stupid they know the players. First the players have to be put up by their own coach first to be voted on. Second if players were suspended non league game they paid their time. Only league stats should matter.
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