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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 0:47:08 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 0:47:08 GMT -5
I've never dribbled a basketball so could you enlighten me on the technique of how I can get my little johnny to out dribble his team down the court. Any tips would be appreciated
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Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 8:08:07 GMT -5
I've seen basketball stats for many teams over the years and there was no guaranteed relation between the assist/turnover ratio and wins/losses. Making a claim that a 2/1 ratio will guarantee wins is the dumbest. Last season Oak Harbor went 18-4 with a 12/11 ratio. While Huron went 8-12 with an 11/13 ratio and Clyde went 16-6 with a 16/15 ratio. The stats u provided are in support of xlegends arguement, jackwagon. Move the ball and find the guy with the best shot (assist), dont force things and take care of the ball (turnover). Hell, if OH would have done a little better job maybe they would have won all 22.....Clyde as well. I am certain that the team that turns the ball over less, wins the game 80% of the time....maybe higher. Rebound advantage means less....its important...but means less usually. You actually missed the point, doorknob. We have had local teams have success and failure regardless of the assist to turnover numbers. Vermilion is another example of a team that went 18-4 and with an almost even number of assist and turnovers. The statement or expectation of a 2-1 ratio is ludicrous. Clyde plays fast, has scorers who can finish and defend and they were nothing close to the magic ratio. Looking into your rebounding thoughts, every team last season with a winning record in the SBC Bay last season had a better rebounding average than their opponents. Not every winning team averaged less turnovers than their opponents. So from those numbers we can say that winning the rebounds means more.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 8:09:59 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 8:09:59 GMT -5
Yea your right. Eric was definitely slow with the ball. Keon Johnson who was a 5'6" point guard and Mansfield and played Div 1 college ball at an MVP level was the fastest I have ever seen.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 8:24:40 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 8:24:40 GMT -5
The stats u provided are in support of xlegends arguement, jackwagon. Move the ball and find the guy with the best shot (assist), dont force things and take care of the ball (turnover). Hell, if OH would have done a little better job maybe they would have won all 22.....Clyde as well. I am certain that the team that turns the ball over less, wins the game 80% of the time....maybe higher. Rebound advantage means less....its important...but means less usually. You actually missed the point, doorknob. We have had local teams have success and failure regardless of the assist to turnover numbers. Vermilion is another example of a team that went 18-4 and with an almost even number of assist and turnovers. The statement or expectation of a 2-1 ratio is ludicrous. Clyde plays fast, has scorers who can finish and defend and they were nothing close to the magic ratio. Looking into your rebounding thoughts, every team last season with a winning record in the SBC Bay last season had a better rebounding average than their opponents. Not every winning team averaged less turnovers than their opponents. So from those numbers we can say that winning the rebounds means more.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 8:33:41 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 8:33:41 GMT -5
Fillmore and dude. Dumb and dumber.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 8:39:32 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 8:39:32 GMT -5
Hey dumb and dumber. Find me a game where a team that goes 2 for 1 lost.now go and find me a game where I outrebounded a team and lost. Bet you can find plenty of those. Do you guys even know how to spell basketball.
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Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 9:50:38 GMT -5
Hey dumb and dumber. Find me a game where a team that goes 2 for 1 lost.now go and find me a game where I outrebounded a team and lost. Bet you can find plenty of those. Do you guys even know how to spell basketball. You may be able to find some of both if that is what you are looking for. But I would guess you can find hundreds more high school games where the winning team won the rebounds compared to teams that had a 2-1 ratio.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 10:48:24 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 10:48:24 GMT -5
Before you say all that. Just find one game that 2 for one didn't win. I can't find any. Will have to say I'm limited on my research
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 12:01:07 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 12:01:07 GMT -5
Before you say all that. Just find one game that 2 for one didn't win. I can't find any. Will have to say I'm limited on my research How many local games can you find that had double the assists to turnovers?
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 12:16:28 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 12:16:28 GMT -5
Flashes done it against bucyrus and before you say oh yea its bucurus6. Listen here in not saying its easy to do but it can be done. If willard takes care of the ball They can f Do it, why do I think that you might ask? Because I think they can get 17 to 20 assists as a team a game. That's why. Just take of the ball. Only my opinion. You don't have to agree. That's cool
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 12:29:15 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 12:29:15 GMT -5
Nobody doubts that they did it against Bucyrus, others may have as well. What were the numbers against Upper Sandusky and Carey for this same team?
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 13:28:46 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 13:28:46 GMT -5
5 assists and 22 turnovers against upper. First game and upper really gets after it defensively.15 assists but 18 turnovers against Carey.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 13:53:40 GMT -5
5 assists and 22 turnovers against upper. First game and upper really gets after it defensively.15 assists but 18 turnovers against Carey. Discounting the game against the superior team. To reach your most important stat against Carey, Willard would have to have 36 assists or 7 turnovers or some combination. As can be seen, reducing turnovers is much easier than increasing assists. It's known that a goal of good teams is having fewer than 10 turnovers, more so than having 20 assists.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:00:12 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 14:00:12 GMT -5
Yea your right. Eric was definitely slow with the ball. Do not lie, never said Eric was slow anywhere.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:02:21 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 14:02:21 GMT -5
I've never dribbled a basketball so could you enlighten me on the technique of how I can get my little johnny to out dribble his team down the court. Any tips would be appreciated I already explained the technique. You would have been "enlightened" if you read all posts. Don't be lazy. ALSO if you had gone to the 8 games between Willard and 0ntario the years they were in the NOL you could have witnessed in person. Are you a fair weather fan?
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:07:55 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 14:07:55 GMT -5
Fillmore and dude. Dumb and dumber. Says the basketball ignoramus?? Not to mention semantics.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:09:28 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 14:09:28 GMT -5
Hey dumb and dumber. Find me a game where a team that goes 2 for 1 lost.now go and find me a game where I outrebounded a team and lost. Bet you can find plenty of those. Do you guys even know how to spell basketball. FIRST, give a list of all the games you know of where a team has a 2-1 assist to T.O. ratio. What you ask and what I ask is difficult to quantify, as assists in a game is rarely reported. However, assists are counted as game tapes are reviewed. I have a source, I will inquire. With that being said, I would wager that very few of Balogh's 549 wins had a 2-1 ratio. You check with Haas.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:11:47 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 14:11:47 GMT -5
Before you say all that. Just find one game that 2 for one didn't win. I can't find any. Will have to say I'm limited on my research In a debate, NEVER EVER admit to being "limited on research".
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:19:54 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 13, 2018 14:19:54 GMT -5
5 assists and 22 turnovers against upper. First game and upper really gets after it defensively.15 assists but 18 turnovers against Carey. So your team is averaging 10 assists and 15 turnovers in 3 games and once they play better teams you expect them to double their assists and cut their turnovers in half.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:26:58 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 14:26:58 GMT -5
If they double their assists, they would only have to cut their turnovers by a 1/3. If they cut their turnovers by half they would have to increase their assists by 50%. AGAIN as can be seen, it is easier to cut turnovers.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 14:50:34 GMT -5
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Post by purefan on Dec 13, 2018 14:50:34 GMT -5
For a TEAM to ave. a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio in high scholl ball would be a remarkable accomplishment. For an individual on a team it to ave that would not, but what is the most remarkable is 2 pages going on 3 talking about it.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 15:15:40 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 15:15:40 GMT -5
Your the lazy one jackwagons.team is not at full strength these last couple games. One of their top playmaker didn't play against Carey and won't be available against port Clinton..tell ya what. You have a rebounding team and ill take my assist to turnover team and ill Wear you out everytime.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 15:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 15:16:43 GMT -5
Any tips on technique how my little johnny can out dribble his team. Please explain
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 15:58:46 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 15:58:46 GMT -5
Probably won't play another team like upper except maybe vermilion.lets see what happens. I'm done explaining this.
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Post by bballfrenzy on Dec 13, 2018 17:05:48 GMT -5
Starting to see where Willard’s problems in sports come from.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 17:07:19 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 13, 2018 17:07:19 GMT -5
Your the lazy one jackwagons.team is not at full strength these last couple games. One of their top playmaker didn't play against Carey and won't be available against port Clinton..tell ya what. You have a rebounding team and ill take my assist to turnover team and ill Wear you out everytime. You'r a lying jackwagon. I HAVE NOT said anything about Willard's team. Just about your crazy 2-1 being a norm for a team
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Willard
Dec 14, 2018 12:33:50 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 14, 2018 12:33:50 GMT -5
Hey Willard fans. Any predictions on tonites game against port Clinton. My prediction is willard by 13. With 8 turnovers and 16 assists lol.go flashes
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Willard
Dec 14, 2018 12:46:57 GMT -5
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 14, 2018 12:46:57 GMT -5
I will be sure to check the stat sheet 1st thing in the morning. Best of luck to both teams this evening.
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Willard
Dec 14, 2018 14:15:58 GMT -5
Post by truecrimson on Dec 14, 2018 14:15:58 GMT -5
Hey Willard fans. Any predictions on tonites game against port Clinton. My prediction is willard by 13. With 8 turnovers and 16 assists lol.go flashes Flashes by 20 tonight. I think the turnovers will be in double digits and if they play like they did against Bucyrus they'll have 20 assist.
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Post by ScarletFever on Dec 14, 2018 18:46:24 GMT -5
Starting to see where Willard’s problems in sports come from. This thread has over 1000 posts and you are just now starting to see? 😅 jk
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