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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 9:20:43 GMT -5
I've seen basketball stats for many teams over the years and there was no guaranteed relation between the assist/turnover ratio and wins/losses. Making a claim that a 2/1 ratio will guarantee wins is the dumbest.
Last season Oak Harbor went 18-4 with a 12/11 ratio. While Huron went 8-12 with an 11/13 ratio and Clyde went 16-6 with a 16/15 ratio.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 9:32:08 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 9:32:08 GMT -5
Never said it hinges on their success. Good teams don't turn it over a ton. Good teams play team ball. That includes good defense and rebounding duh.I shouldn't have to break it down to you guys but you clearly are mistaking what I'm saying.2 to 1 WILL win them a boat load of games. Lets just see what happens in the next month. Then we'll revisit this.have a good day gents
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 10:02:05 GMT -5
Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 10:02:05 GMT -5
Enjoy the season. I will be curious to see if the Flashes ever get close to averaging the 2/1 ratio.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 10:37:57 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 10:37:57 GMT -5
Enjoy the season I will. You do the same. Go flashes
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 11:21:55 GMT -5
Post by sportsfan on Dec 12, 2018 11:21:55 GMT -5
I'm convinced xlegend is Sashi Brown. Very advanced analytics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2018 11:47:21 GMT -5
I'm convinced xlegend is Sashi Brown. Very advanced analytics. so if he’s Sashi and brownsfan5819 is Hugh. What the heck is going on around here???
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 14:24:50 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 14:24:50 GMT -5
Here's why I see this team can be good and 2 for 1 can be obtained 1 point guard should avg. 6 to 7 assists. Point guard is pure shooter so getting him the ball off of screens or pin downs should account for another 4 to 5.baldridge pingston and tripplett are excellent finishers.there's another 6 to 7.when givin more opportunity the Paxton boy is an excellent passer.Polacheck has had back to back obove 5 assists. So lets low ball the assists to 17 total.IF they only turn it over 8 to 10 times a game I would feel pretty darn good about them winning.and yes they have to play defense and rebound
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 14:29:50 GMT -5
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Post by bballfrenzy on Dec 12, 2018 14:29:50 GMT -5
I’m not sure if xlegend is just toying with everyone but how often does a high school point guard average 6-7 assists a game for a whole season?
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 14:58:06 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 14:58:06 GMT -5
Glad you asked. And no I'm not toying with anyone on here. Cooper is an excellent passer when he wants to be and it's the style willard wants to play. They want to get up and down with these thoroughbreds. He sees the floor and knows the game. Baldridge Polacheck and Paxton can shoot. Their numbers are down from the 3 point line but I expect that to improve very soon. Once these guys gell and chemistry is at full strength this team can be really good.with the ball in his hands the majority of the time. Plus when were running he Wii have plenty of options where he wants to go with the ball.I think he can do it.it shouldn't be hard with the cast around him. It'll rub off with the rest of the team also.go flashes
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2018 15:08:03 GMT -5
I’m not sure if xlegend is just toying with everyone but how often does a high school point guard average 6-7 assists a game for a whole season? Very rare. But it would seem at Willard it is possible for any number of guys to do it.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 15:29:13 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 15:29:13 GMT -5
If the talent around yoy can't shoot or finish its tough to do. We have the talent. Especially finishers. Btw has anyone heard if tripplett is going to be available all year?
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 16:10:45 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 16:10:45 GMT -5
I’m not sure if xlegend is just toying with everyone but how often does a high school point guard average 6-7 assists a game for a whole season? As I thought, xlegend is another one of dump's imaginary friends
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Dec 12, 2018 16:20:23 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 16:20:23 GMT -5
Glad you asked. And no I'm not toying with anyone on here. Cooper is an excellent passer when he wants to be and it's the style willard wants to play. They want to get up and down with these thoroughbreds. He sees the floor and knows the game. Baldridge Polacheck and Paxton can shoot. Their numbers are down from the 3 point line but I expect that to improve very soon. Once these guys gell and chemistry is at full strength this team can be really good.with the ball in his hands the majority of the time. Plus when were running he Wii have plenty of options where he wants to go with the ball.I think he can do it.it shouldn't be hard with the cast around him. It'll rub off with the rest of the team also.go flashes "Getting up and down" more often than not doesn't require an assist. I've seen good fast break teams there had one or the other. A team that had by far the fastest player from one end of the court to the other while dribbling the ball. OR a team with 4 good ball handlers that could take it all the way without a pass. Today's coaches prefer that as opposed to old school pulling up at the foul line and shooting or passing. Passes on fast breaks end up just as often being turnovers as they do assists.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 16:35:40 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 16:35:40 GMT -5
Your right about not always but it does help. if a player beats me down the court dribbling and I'm on a fast break I'm really slow and shouldn't even be in a lane to run.guess I'm old school.
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Dec 12, 2018 16:48:02 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 16:48:02 GMT -5
Your right about not always but it does help. if a player beats me down the court dribbling and I'm on a fast break I'm really slow and shouldn't even be in a lane to run.guess I'm old school. You never saw Lenell Shelby play then. 13.9 high hurdler 5-10 with LONG strides. Fastest player I ever saw from one end to the other dribbling the ball. No one on defense got to the other end sooner unless they had a good head start. Each dribble was way out in front of him, not having to slow down his sprinter speed.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 16:49:38 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 16:49:38 GMT -5
If I'm reading that right coaches would rather a guy dribble down the court than pass?wow. Hope he's not coaching my son
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 16:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 12, 2018 16:52:27 GMT -5
No but I seen Eric barrison play. Can't remember him beating Brandon obey or jimmy down the court. Might of happened
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 16:54:38 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 16:54:38 GMT -5
I’m not sure if xlegend is just toying with everyone but how often does a high school point guard average 6-7 assists a game for a whole season? Very rare. The MOAC has a good website with stats kept for years. In the past 14 years only one player had more than 6 assists, at 6.4. The average for the leader in assists in the other 13 years was 5.1. In 8 of the 14 years the leader in assists had 4.9 or less.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 16:54:58 GMT -5
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Post by maplecityjake on Dec 12, 2018 16:54:58 GMT -5
Ideally, no. But at high School level, many turnovers occur on potential fast break. Also, much the reason I don't like teams holding for last shot at end of quarters; usually disasterous
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 17:03:06 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 17:03:06 GMT -5
If I'm reading that right coaches would rather a guy dribble down the court than pass?wow. Hope he's not coaching my son Talking 3 on 2 or 2 on 1. That's what I see most of the time these days from fast breaking teams, as long as a charge doesn't happen. 50% of the time a pass is going to result in a turn over or a ruined fast break.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 17:05:37 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 17:05:37 GMT -5
No but I seen Eric barrison play. Can't remember him beating Brandon obey or jimmy down the court. Might of happened Sprinter speed does not necessarily equate to fastest down the court while dribbling the ball. It's a rare technique the way Lenell dribbled.
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Dec 12, 2018 17:09:46 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 17:09:46 GMT -5
Never said it hinges on their success. Good teams don't turn it over a ton. Good teams play team ball. That includes good defense and rebounding duh.I shouldn't have to break it down to you guys but you clearly are mistaking what I'm saying.2 to 1 WILL win them a boat load of games. Lets just see what happens in the next month. Then we'll revisit this.have a good day gents NO only YOU are misleading. There is A LOT more to winning basketball than JUST a 2-1 assist to T.O. ratio. Go back to your first post on this subject, you were only taking about that ratio, leading to a winning record, no other positive stat.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 17:59:56 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 12, 2018 17:59:56 GMT -5
Never said it hinges on their success. Good teams don't turn it over a ton. Good teams play team ball. That includes good defense and rebounding duh.I shouldn't have to break it down to you guys but you clearly are mistaking what I'm saying.2 to 1 WILL win them a boat load of games. Lets just see what happens in the next month. Then we'll revisit this.have a good day gents NO only YOU are misleading. There is A LOT more to winning basketball than JUST a 2-1 assist to T.O. ratio. Go back to your first post on this subject, you were only taking about that ratio, leading to a winning record, no other positive stat. Listen jackwagons, you guys have a habit of taking an innocent post and dissecting/twisting it just to argue. Fact is, this team is solid all around, their weakness is taking care of the ball....like most high school teams. So 2:1 ratio may be a bit unrealistic, so what. His point is.....play less selfishly, dont force things, play as a team and your stats will come.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 18:10:57 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 18:10:57 GMT -5
No but I seen Eric barrison play. Can't remember him beating Brandon obey or jimmy down the court. Might of happened Then you didn't go to any of the 8 games Willard and Ontario played when they were in the NOL?
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Dec 12, 2018 18:13:34 GMT -5
Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 12, 2018 18:13:34 GMT -5
NO only YOU are misleading. There is A LOT more to winning basketball than JUST a 2-1 assist to T.O. ratio. Go back to your first post on this subject, you were only taking about that ratio, leading to a winning record, no other positive stat. Listen jackwagons, you guys have a habit of taking an innocent post and dissecting/twisting it just to argue. Fact is, this team is solid all around, their weakness is taking care of the ball....like most high school teams. So 2:1 ratio may be a bit unrealistic, so what. His point is.....play less selfishly, dont force things, play as a team and your stats will come. Join the jackwagon club. Now you're dissecting and telling us what he said. Although an interpreter would be of help for him.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 18:18:21 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 12, 2018 18:18:21 GMT -5
Listen jackwagons, you guys have a habit of taking an innocent post and dissecting/twisting it just to argue. Fact is, this team is solid all around, their weakness is taking care of the ball....like most high school teams. So 2:1 ratio may be a bit unrealistic, so what. His point is.....play less selfishly, dont force things, play as a team and your stats will come. Join the jackwagon club. Now you're dissecting and telling us what he said. Although an interpreter would be of help for him. Definitely a jackwagon here.
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Willard
Dec 12, 2018 23:35:10 GMT -5
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 12, 2018 23:35:10 GMT -5
I've seen basketball stats for many teams over the years and there was no guaranteed relation between the assist/turnover ratio and wins/losses. Making a claim that a 2/1 ratio will guarantee wins is the dumbest. Last season Oak Harbor went 18-4 with a 12/11 ratio. While Huron went 8-12 with an 11/13 ratio and Clyde went 16-6 with a 16/15 ratio. The stats u provided are in support of xlegends arguement, jackwagon. Move the ball and find the guy with the best shot (assist), dont force things and take care of the ball (turnover). Hell, if OH would have done a little better job maybe they would have won all 22.....Clyde as well. I am certain that the team that turns the ball over less, wins the game 80% of the time....maybe higher. Rebound advantage means less....its important...but means less usually.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 0:31:54 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 0:31:54 GMT -5
Hey dude can you show me a team that had a two to 1 that lost.crimson5 is the only guy that gets what I'm trying to tell you jackwagons.hey Fillmore you mentioned one guy out of thousands of kids that play this great game that can dribble faster than guys running. One. And coaches would rather have kids dribble down the court rather than passing. Your team must be full of themselves. Or maybe your just full of it.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 0:38:51 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 0:38:51 GMT -5
No but I seen Eric barrison play. Can't remember him beating Brandon obey or jimmy down the court. Might of happened Sprinter speed does not necessarily equate to fastest down the court while dribbling the ball. It's a rare technique the way Lenell dribbled.
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Willard
Dec 13, 2018 0:41:42 GMT -5
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Post by xlegend on Dec 13, 2018 0:41:42 GMT -5
Yea your right. Eric was definitely slow with the ball.
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