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Post by sportsvideo on Feb 24, 2018 10:05:44 GMT -5
It has been placed by the OHSAA out to schools for their vote.
The current Transfer rule works this way.
IF you Move from one school district to another, there isn't a penalty. (thats a change of address)
IF you do not move-but change schools after 9th grade and do not meet one of the 11 - exceptions then you must sit the first 50% of the season in each sport you played for one calender year...
The NEW Rule would be the same except...
You'd sit the LAST 50% of the regular season plus the post season tournament....
As an example.. Lets say Johnny Smith left Huron and went to Sandusky to play basketball but did not move from Huron to Sandusky... Johnny would be allowed to play in games 1-11 of the regular season, but his season ends after game 11... that means no sectional, no district, no regional, no state... Johnny is done after game 11...
I expect this to pass by a lot....
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Post by gibby23 on Feb 24, 2018 10:11:20 GMT -5
^^^ I agree should pass with ease.
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Post by deathfromabove on Feb 24, 2018 14:16:07 GMT -5
That new rule will put a dent in kids transferring back and forth just because one team is better at a certain sport than another or having him/her going to a school then next year going to another just because the other team is going to be better than the team he transfer to last year.
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Post by gridiron58 on Mar 2, 2018 20:40:12 GMT -5
That new rule will put a dent in kids transferring back and forth just because one team is better at a certain sport than another or having him/her going to a school then next year going to another just because the other team is going to be better than the team he transfer to last year. Another moronic rule by the all mighty OHSAA. So you can "move" 15 min away with no penalty (and everyone knows the only reason is basketball), but if your parents can't afford to move (or they don't put a ridiculous amount of focus on sports) that kid misses the second half of a season after being able to play the first half? Just stupid.
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Post by sportsvideo on Mar 3, 2018 7:54:41 GMT -5
That new rule will put a dent in kids transferring back and forth just because one team is better at a certain sport than another or having him/her going to a school then next year going to another just because the other team is going to be better than the team he transfer to last year. Another moronic rule by the all mighty OHSAA. So you can "move" 15 min away with no penalty (and everyone knows the only reason is basketball), but if your parents can't afford to move (or they don't put a ridiculous amount of focus on sports) that kid misses the second half of a season after being able to play the first half? Just stupid. if the parents don't put a focus on sports, then what are you transferring for? the entire idea of this is to cut down on the nonsense of AAU teams coming together for a state title run. this new rule would help
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Post by galion on Mar 3, 2018 9:35:40 GMT -5
Only if they "come together" after their freshman year.
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Post by chs71 on Mar 3, 2018 10:59:55 GMT -5
Years ago there was a kid from Margaretta who in his senior year played football for Clyde, wrestled for St. Mary's, and then went back to Margaretta to play baseball and graduate. I didn't care, but a lot of other people didn't like it.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Mar 15, 2018 7:01:31 GMT -5
It has been placed by the OHSAA out to schools for their vote. The current Transfer rule works this way. IF you Move from one school district to another, there isn't a penalty. (thats a change of address) IF you do not move-but change schools after 9th grade and do not meet one of the 11 - exceptions then you must sit the first 50% of the season in each sport you played for one calender year... The NEW Rule would be the same except... You'd sit the LAST 50% of the regular season plus the post season tournament.... As an example.. Lets say Johnny Smith left Huron and went to Sandusky to play basketball but did not move from Huron to Sandusky... Johnny would be allowed to play in games 1-11 of the regular season, but his season ends after game 11... that means no sectional, no district, no regional, no state... Johnny is done after game 11... I expect this to pass by a lot....
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Post by heavydrop7 on Mar 15, 2018 7:01:57 GMT -5
It has been placed by the OHSAA out to schools for their vote. The current Transfer rule works this way. IF you Move from one school district to another, there isn't a penalty. (thats a change of address) IF you do not move-but change schools after 9th grade and do not meet one of the 11 - exceptions then you must sit the first 50% of the season in each sport you played for one calender year... The NEW Rule would be the same except... You'd sit the LAST 50% of the regular season plus the post season tournament.... As an example.. Lets say Johnny Smith left Huron and went to Sandusky to play basketball but did not move from Huron to Sandusky... Johnny would be allowed to play in games 1-11 of the regular season, but his season ends after game 11... that means no sectional, no district, no regional, no state... Johnny is done after game 11... I expect this to pass by a lot....
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Post by heavydrop7 on Mar 15, 2018 7:48:52 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post, I’m new to this board. Thank you for posting this information, as I knew nothing about this until I read it here. This rule will affect my son’s move directly, but will do nothing to change our minds. The culture of High school football has changed and not for the better, these kids are way different than they were in my day. I played for Ringholz at monroeville. I was not a particularly good player, but the lessons learned from him during that time had a huge impact on my life. My son is an above average athlete, 4.0 student, and a hard worker to boot. Something that is currently not being rewarded at Perkins, it is all about playing wait your turn football, which is fine if you’re winning and have a good talent ahead of you. Academically, Perkins is in the toilet bowl. Wow open enrollment once help Perkins in athletics that is no longer the case and it is turning the school into a Sandusky type atmosphere. I want my son to have the type of high school football experience I did, or similar, with a well rounded head coach who motivates players, is morally upstanding, creates a family type atmosphere amongst teammates, and teaches those life lessons. This will never happen at Perkins under the current coach. While I will have to except any decision made by the state, sometimes switching schools is about more than just playing time and winning football games.
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Post by dolittle on Mar 15, 2018 7:58:24 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post, I’m new to this board. Thank you for posting this information, as I knew nothing about this until I read it here. This rule will affect my son’s move directly, but will do nothing to change our minds. The culture of High school football has changed and not for the better, these kids are way different than they were in my day. I played for Ringholz at monroeville. I was not a particularly good player, but the lessons learned from him during that time had a huge impact on my life. My son is an above average athlete, 4.0 student, and a hard worker to boot. Something that is currently not being rewarded at Perkins, it is all about playing wait your turn football, which is fine if you’re winning and have a good talent ahead of you. Academically, Perkins is in the toilet bowl. Wow open enrollment once help Perkins in athletics that is no longer the case and it is turning the school into a Sandusky type atmosphere. I want my son to have the type of high school football experience I did, or similar, with a well rounded head coach who motivates players, is morally upstanding, creates a family type atmosphere amongst teammates, and teaches those life lessons. This will never happen at Perkins under the current coach. While I will have to except any decision made by the state, sometimes switching schools is about more than just playing timWheree and winning football games. Where you heading?
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Post by dolittle on Mar 15, 2018 7:59:11 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post, I’m new to this board. Thank you for posting this information, as I knew nothing about this until I read it here. This rule will affect my son’s move directly, but will do nothing to change our minds. The culture of High school football has changed and not for the better, these kids are way different than they were in my day. I played for Ringholz at monroeville. I was not a particularly good player, but the lessons learned from him during that time had a huge impact on my life. My son is an above average athlete, 4.0 student, and a hard worker to boot. Something that is currently not being rewarded at Perkins, it is all about playing wait your turn football, which is fine if you’re winning and have a good talent ahead of you. Academically, Perkins is in the toilet bowl. Wow open enrollment once help Perkins in athletics that is no longer the case and it is turning the school into a Sandusky type atmosphere. I want my son to have the type of high school football experience I did, or similar, with a well rounded head coach who motivates players, is morally upstanding, creates a family type atmosphere amongst teammates, and teaches those life lessons. This will never happen at Perkins under the current coach. While I will have to except any decision made by the state, sometimes switching schools is about more than just playing timWheree and winning football games. Where you heading? Where you going? Physically move and its a non-issue
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2018 9:25:59 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post, I’m new to this board. Thank you for posting this information, as I knew nothing about this until I read it here. This rule will affect my son’s move directly, but will do nothing to change our minds. The culture of High school football has changed and not for the better, these kids are way different than they were in my day. I played for Ringholz at monroeville. I was not a particularly good player, but the lessons learned from him during that time had a huge impact on my life. My son is an above average athlete, 4.0 student, and a hard worker to boot. Something that is currently not being rewarded at Perkins, it is all about playing wait your turn football, which is fine if you’re winning and have a good talent ahead of you. Academically, Perkins is in the toilet bowl. Wow open enrollment once help Perkins in athletics that is no longer the case and it is turning the school into a Sandusky type atmosphere. I want my son to have the type of high school football experience I did, or similar, with a well rounded head coach who motivates players, is morally upstanding, creates a family type atmosphere amongst teammates, and teaches those life lessons. This will never happen at Perkins under the current coach. While I will have to except any decision made by the state, sometimes switching schools is about more than just playing time and winning football games. Part of that is because parents are moving kids for sports when things do not go the way they want them to. That is not a bash on you or anyone else but kids have changed in many ways because parenting has changed. IMO
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Post by heavydrop7 on Mar 15, 2018 9:50:01 GMT -5
Dude, Not sure exactly but we’ve narrowed it down to about three schools. 2 FC schools and a SBC school. Don’t worry I didn’t take it as a knock, I understand that there are parents and coaches in collusion to create super teams that are nearly unbeatable that is not my desire or intention. Don’t really want to move, nor can I afford it. I will agree with you that parenting has changed kids nowadays are so disrespectful makes me want to spit. While it is 2018 in the outside world, it’s 1953 in my household. I am doing my best to raise my children to be respectful upstanding citizens. The things that the Perkins football coaching staff and the Perkins administration has allowed to go on in their schools are cancerous at best.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 20:35:02 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post, I’m new to this board. Thank you for posting this information, as I knew nothing about this until I read it here. This rule will affect my son’s move directly, but will do nothing to change our minds. The culture of High school football has changed and not for the better, these kids are way different than they were in my day. I played for Ringholz at monroeville. I was not a particularly good player, but the lessons learned from him during that time had a huge impact on my life. My son is an above average athlete, 4.0 student, and a hard worker to boot. Something that is currently not being rewarded at Perkins, it is all about playing wait your turn football, which is fine if you’re winning and have a good talent ahead of you. Academically, Perkins is in the toilet bowl. Wow open enrollment once help Perkins in athletics that is no longer the case and it is turning the school into a Sandusky type atmosphere. I want my son to have the type of high school football experience I did, or similar, with a well rounded head coach who motivates players, is morally upstanding, creates a family type atmosphere amongst teammates, and teaches those life lessons. This will never happen at Perkins under the current coach. While I will have to except any decision made by the state, sometimes switching schools is about more than just playing time and winning football games. A sandusky type atmosphere, get a clue, 95 percent of the open enrollment kids from sandusky are good students. I have seen the data, Perkins has issues, don’t blame open enrollment on it, maybe the inability to pass a levy for so long. If your son is an above average athlete, he would be playing or maybe is playing. The idea of wait your turn is BS, the best players play. Perkins offers a great education and you get out of it what you put into it. It’s amazing how parents think when there are some bad times athletically. I wonder if you would be saying this is they were 10-0 last season. I recommend getting certified and becoming a coach with your mindset if you want make an impact. I am a die hard blue streak fan where tradition is strong but get irritated with excuses and always pointing the blame at coaches.
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Post by robinhood on Mar 17, 2018 9:08:57 GMT -5
proof is in the pudding. pre quiz perkins was struggling.....post quiz, perkins is struggling....
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Post by runshoot on Mar 17, 2018 10:02:38 GMT -5
Sorry about the double post, I’m new to this board. Thank you for posting this information, as I knew nothing about this until I read it here. This rule will affect my son’s move directly, but will do nothing to change our minds. The culture of High school football has changed and not for the better, these kids are way different than they were in my day. I played for Ringholz at monroeville. I was not a particularly good player, but the lessons learned from him during that time had a huge impact on my life. My son is an above average athlete, 4.0 student, and a hard worker to boot. Something that is currently not being rewarded at Perkins, it is all about playing wait your turn football, which is fine if you’re winning and have a good talent ahead of you. Academically, Perkins is in the toilet bowl. Wow open enrollment once help Perkins in athletics that is no longer the case and it is turning the school into a Sandusky type atmosphere. I want my son to have the type of high school football experience I did, or similar, with a well rounded head coach who motivates players, is morally upstanding, creates a family type atmosphere amongst teammates, and teaches those life lessons. This will never happen at Perkins under the current coach. While I will have to except any decision made by the state, sometimes switching schools is about more than just playing time and winning football games. A sandusky type atmosphere, get a clue, 95 percent of the open enrollment kids from sandusky are good students. I have seen the data, Perkins has issues, don’t blame open enrollment on it, maybe the inability to pass a levy for so long. If your son is an above average athlete, he would be playing or maybe is playing. The idea of wait your turn is BS, the best players play. Perkins offers a great education and you get out of it what you put into it. It’s amazing how parents think when there are some bad times athletically. I wonder if you would be saying this is they were 10-0 last season. I recommend getting certified and becoming a coach with your mindset if you want make an impact. I am a die hard blue streak fan where tradition is strong but get irritated with excuses and always pointing the blame at coaches. yea i didn't follow that either. not sure i follow the perkins has academic issues either. plenty of good kids just graduated from perkins and are on the dean's list at their college. so all can't be too bad.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Mar 19, 2018 9:48:43 GMT -5
Streak Nation, sorry if you were offended by the Sandusky comment. I understand there are plenty of great kids in the Sandusky school system. When I left this area 2 decades ago Perkins was a farm school, came back a couple of years ago and the transformation was unbelievable. I understand things change. My son had plenty of playing time last season, that is not my problem with Perkins. It is not about a teams record, but the family bonds that are built between teammates and coaching staff. There are a lot of things that go on in this program that would be considered immoral in the eyes of the majority of people. Things that I refuse to mention on this board as it is not my intention to throw any coach under the bus. They have already been notified of the issues and have done nothing. If we had a winning record and these things still went on, we would still choose to leave. Academically, I do not believe my son is being challenged. Assigning a boatload of homework, then slapping an A on everyones assignment 3 or 4 weeks after the fact is not challenging them. Reading books that were traditionally read in middle school in a high school honors class is not challenging. So if your still irritated, I don’t know what to tell you. I have to do what I believe is best.
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Post by deathfromabove on Mar 19, 2018 11:22:16 GMT -5
Heavydrop7, The first thing you should do since you are worried about the quality of learning for your kids is ask to see the report of the school and their students from the state. Each year the state has the junior class to take a this test that judges on their knowledge to see if they are on course to graduate and they must pass it by their senior year to graduate. I wish they would of had this when I was in school. we transfer to Western Reserve and if we would have known this I would have find a way to stay at my old school because Western was using the same books in high school that I had used in junior high, so I never took a book home, did any home work or study for any test and I still graduated on time and in the middle of my class. No challenged at all. My senior year I only had 2 classes out of 8 periods and I was always getting into trouble in study hall, for not keeping my big mouth shut, so they told me to work for the janitor. Check out the school. See if their test results from the state is high, check out the teachers and the administrators are they there just to collect a paycheck or do they really care about the students and the environment. Check out the students, do they seem to be really nice kids or are they standoff age. Since your kids play sports check out the coaching staff, are they there teaching the kids the right way on playing their positions and not being physical on both abuse or their language. I hope you find the right type of school your looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 5:35:06 GMT -5
Streak Nation, sorry if you were offended by the Sandusky comment. I understand there are plenty of great kids in the Sandusky school system. When I left this area 2 decades ago Perkins was a farm school, came back a couple of years ago and the transformation was unbelievable. I understand things change. My son had plenty of playing time last season, that is not my problem with Perkins. It is not about a teams record, but the family bonds that are built between teammates and coaching staff. There are a lot of things that go on in this program that would be considered immoral in the eyes of the majority of people. Things that I refuse to mention on this board as it is not my intention to throw any coach under the bus. They have already been notified of the issues and have done nothing. If we had a winning record and these things still went on, we would still choose to leave. Academically, I do not believe my son is being challenged. Assigning a boatload of homework, then slapping an A on everyones assignment 3 or 4 weeks after the fact is not challenging them. Reading books that were traditionally read in middle school in a high school honors class is not challenging. So if your still irritated, I don’t know what to tell you. I have to do what I believe is best. I just know from a data standpoint, Perkins has performed well over the years in testing. I don't really know what they do academically but I am a firm believer in you get out of education what you put into it. If he is not being challenged, maybe he can take college level courses that are offered (at Firelands). Perkins is in a situation where they need a change in several sports, boys basketball and football. I have not heard many bad things about the current head football coach but it is obvious that quizno helped immensely. In basketball, it seems like every other week kids are quitting or transferring which is a sign of a problem. If it was me, I would skip administration and go directly to the Board of Education out there.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Mar 21, 2018 7:46:48 GMT -5
Deathfromabove, thanks AIRBORNE, that’s some good advise.
streaknation, agreed, you get what you put in. Not that I don’t believe my son is a 4.0 student, but for weeks straight he will have no homework, then a couple weeks of staying up till 1 am doing work. Not my only gripe, but oh well. You won’t hear many bad things about Coach Ziegler, I thought he was a great guy, outside of football. He is just in way over his head, and doesn’t have the support staff he needs to be successful. While we had only 2 kids quit football during the season last year, it is possible that some more will likely follow. I know 6 soon to be juniors or seniors have openly stated they plan on not playing, 5 others are on the fence(but will likely end up playing), 1 has already transferred, 1 has the paperwork in to transfer after the school year, and 1 is seriously considering a transfer after the school year, or sitting out all together. The freshman class (soon to be sophomores) should have between 5-10 players. Overall your looking at (worst case scenario-25 kids), (best 35-37kids). That’s about 10% or less of the male student body. Word around the locker room is that they plan to include the incoming freshmen with the team next year, don’t know how true this is as Ziegler has only dressed a freshman 1-2 times during his tenure. Let’s hope they got something up their sleeve, I do not want to see an 0-10 or 1-9 Perkins.
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Post by deathfromabove on Mar 21, 2018 9:21:05 GMT -5
Deathfromabove, thanks AIRBORNE, that’s some good advise. streaknation, agreed, you get what you put in. Not that I don’t believe my son is a 4.0 student, but for weeks straight he will have no homework, then a couple weeks of staying up till 1 am doing work. Not my only gripe, but oh well. You won’t hear many bad things about Coach Ziegler, I thought he was a great guy, outside of football. He is just in way over his head, and doesn’t have the support staff he needs to be successful. While we had only 2 kids quit football during the season last year, it is possible that some more will likely follow. I know 6 soon to be juniors or seniors have openly stated they plan on not playing, 5 others are on the fence(but will likely end up playing), 1 has already transferred, 1 has the paperwork in to transfer after the school year, and 1 is seriously considering a transfer after the school year, or sitting out all together. The freshman class (soon to be sophomores) should have between 5-10 players. Overall your looking at (worst case scenario-25 kids), (best 35-37kids). That’s about 10% or less of the male student body. Word around the locker room is that they plan to include the incoming freshmen with the team next year, don’t know how true this is as Ziegler has only dressed a freshman 1-2 times during his tenure. Let’s hope they got something up their sleeve, I do not want to see an 0-10 or 1-9 Perkins. Heavy, You are welcome my brother and beautiful streamers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 10:34:53 GMT -5
That new rule will put a dent in kids transferring back and forth just because one team is better at a certain sport than another or having him/her going to a school then next year going to another just because the other team is going to be better than the team he transfer to last year. Another moronic rule by the all mighty OHSAA. So you can "move" 15 min away with no penalty (and everyone knows the only reason is basketball), but if your parents can't afford to move (or they don't put a ridiculous amount of focus on sports) that kid misses the second half of a season after being able to play the first half? Just stupid. To many this is a very good rule by OHSAA. With some kids bouncing around for high school sports and some coaches using off seasons for recruiting, this could put a stop to most of that. This is not a public or private thing as I see it as both will be affected. If the private and open enrollment schools honestly believe the garbage they are spilling about kids and parents wanting a higher education then this will have nothing to do with that and a kid can still transfer. If the changes were made for sports purposes this will stop many of them.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Apr 19, 2018 18:47:58 GMT -5
I had wrote this off as a sure thing, just something we would have to deal with. Turns out this is rule proposal is far from a done deal. I talked to a local AD this week and, from his conversations with other ADs, this proposal does not have a lot of support. The Chillicothe Gazette did a piece on March 1st that interviewed 62 local high school coaches about the subject. Of the 62 schools, 35 said they were not in favor, 21 said they would support it and six didn't have an opinion. We’ll see, sounds like a toss up.
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Post by kingmartinez on Apr 19, 2018 20:18:16 GMT -5
I had wrote this off as a sure thing, just something we would have to deal with. Turns out this is rule proposal is far from a done deal. I talked to a local AD this week and, from his conversations with other ADs, this proposal does not have a lot of support. The Chillicothe Gazette did a piece on March 1st that interviewed 62 local high school coaches about the subject. Of the 62 schools, 35 said they were not in favor, 21 said they would support it and six didn't have an opinion. We’ll see, sounds like a toss up. Two important points on this. 1. The ADs and coaches are not the one's who vote on this (or any other OHSAA ballot). 2. (FWIW) The commissioner stated at the media meeting that each of the coaches associations did not speak against this proposal. His quote - Over the last five years, a student who changes schools and does not meet one of the exceptions must sit the first 50 percent of the regular season before being eligible to play. "Over the last couple years we had situations where schools were building teams by getting kids to transfer and sit out the first 50 percent of the season because the belief was that maybe we can win a state championship when we get you," Ross said. "We had a school last year that the coach said after the tournament that we’ve done very well and it’s taken me two years to build this team through transfers and move-ins and listed all the kids’ names." To deter this kind of all-star team building and player movement, the schools will vote in May to change the rule to missing the last 50 percent of the regular season and all of the tournament. "There was not one president of a coaches association in here last week that spoke against this," he said. www.thenews-messenger.com/story/sports/high-school/2018/04/19/commissioner-calls-competitive-balance-top-accomplishment/523067002/
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 20:51:06 GMT -5
This is not a done deal but there is a reason this has made it as far as it has. The question will be are there more schools that feel they suffer from transfers than benefit from them. As a fan without a vote I like what the new rule is trying to stop.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Apr 19, 2018 20:55:02 GMT -5
King, thanks for the additional info. Who exactly will be voting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2018 22:39:25 GMT -5
I would think school principal would make th,e vote.
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Post by heavydrop7 on Apr 19, 2018 22:55:21 GMT -5
I figured that coaches didn’t get to cast a vote, but didn’t know who did. I thought either the AD, principal or the Superintendent, but didn’t know for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 5:48:36 GMT -5
Some superintendent oversee multiple high school buildings so that would not be a full result of the membership.
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