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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 11, 2016 21:36:19 GMT -5
On to league play this week. Galion travels to Buckeye Valley to take on the Barons. These teams have matched up 4 times with BV winning 3 of them. Galion's only win came in 2014. Thoughts on this one.....
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Post by galion on Sept 12, 2016 3:56:22 GMT -5
Ouch.
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Post by presnapread on Sept 13, 2016 12:03:38 GMT -5
Sounds like both teams a little banged up, that time of year, quality of depth determines the winner?
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 13, 2016 16:02:09 GMT -5
I might watch their tape tonight. I would say we are probably going to be in trouble. I don't see how we can beat them if we couldn't at least play Keystone competitive. One day maybe we will rise up, I don't think it's going to be this game. LOL Our defense just can't stop anyone. I thought we would be a little better defensively. We aren't....yet. Go Tigers!!!
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Post by stanley on Sept 13, 2016 23:16:10 GMT -5
No disrespect intended towards Galion, but I'm gonna have to guess BV by a mansize. Good luck to the Tigers and the Barons!
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 14, 2016 3:37:47 GMT -5
That's a pretty good prediction Stanley.
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Post by snowman on Sept 14, 2016 10:38:42 GMT -5
If the Galion “D- line and “O- line doesn’t get better, this team will finish 1-9. I see no technique, standing strait up, very little WILL to fight, and worst of all, I see guys coming off the field with smiles on their faces after getting blown off the ball. The coaches need to make losing suck!!
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Post by gt1975 on Sept 14, 2016 11:18:53 GMT -5
From what I was told, our Line Coach is somebody who has never coached football. He has never even coached at the middle school level. He is the Middle School AD. So that might explain why our line has no technique.
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Post by presnapread on Sept 14, 2016 12:11:28 GMT -5
If the Galion “D- line and “O- line doesn’t get better, this team will finish 1-9. I see no technique, standing strait up, very little WILL to fight, and worst of all, I see guys coming off the field with smiles on their faces after getting blown off the ball. The coaches need to make losing suck!! Smiles on one's face after "getting blown off the ball" is a very bad sign .... Shows a tremendous lack of pride. Coaches making losing suck is not the solution, the only thing that solves/corrects this is players, because of their prides and being ashamed, feeling that losing sucks. Anything a coach says or does is temporary, for line play to succeed, the change needs to come from within the linemen, From deep down inside, from within is the only thing that can make it permanent.
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Post by galion on Sept 14, 2016 12:37:55 GMT -5
What did you expect? I warned you before the season started that the entire O and D lines were gone. Even the back ups were seniors last year. It wasn't going to be pretty. To be honest with you I didn't expect it to be quite this bad but I also expected a bit more out of our returning skill position players than what we have gotten as well. I was under the impression that our line coach was our wrestling coach. In which case, he has coached before but not much at the varsity level. The guy who should be our line coach is coaching at Wynford now because he couldn't deal with Hawkins. Hopefully, now that Hawkins is gone we can get him back.
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Post by gt1975 on Sept 14, 2016 13:01:37 GMT -5
Galion you may be right but I was told the wrestling coach was coaching freshmen and JV and the Middle school AD was coaching the line for Varsity. That could be wrong but I do know he is one of the Varsity assistants which I thought was strange with no coaching experience.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 14, 2016 14:11:48 GMT -5
Not too strange, several Galion assistants came with Hawkins to Ontario.
An O-lineman can not feel good about himself, can't have pride in his play, until first and foremost good technique is taught by a good O-line coach. Then good blocking ensues, good runs are made by the running backs and the QB has time to throw. Not even then can an O-lineman come off the field with a smile on his face. As Urban would say, "Nine Unit's Strong." The O-line is only one of the 9 units. Even if your unit does a good job, if the TEAM doesn't win, no one should be smiling.
Hawkins noticed at the first practice after the Clear Fork loss, when Ontario was 0-2, players coming out of the field house laughing and joking. Before practice started he called everyone together and made it clear that NO ONE should be happy about anything after a loss, with an 0-2 record. Losing and being ok with it was unacceptable. Who knows, that little talk could have made a difference in how they started against Cardington.
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 14, 2016 16:39:47 GMT -5
I will say this it was hard having a new coach come in...and come in late. Remember he wasn't our first choice. I heard the kids like him. But you want to see a obvious difference from last year to this year, (now I'm not as knowledgeable as WF, but I try to give my insights..even when not asked. LOL) Last year, we had a BIG offensive lineman who I "think" played at Ashland and was like ALL-EVERYTHING", he was there every Sunday putting our offensive lineman thru drills. I was there watching them. This was like 3 months "BEFORE" the season started. He wasn't a coach, but man he was a BEAST and great mentor to the kids. The drills were awesome! They showed up for every Sunday too. That had to help those boys last year. This year not one Sunday workout. Maybe next year we can go back to that.
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Post by stanley on Sept 14, 2016 17:30:27 GMT -5
That's one of those blessed scenarios it sounds like where a fine young man playing college ball wants to give back to his alma mater and his former coach. The thing is, I don't even know what the rules are now, about what a coach can teach, when he can teach, how many players can be their etc.. And it not count as an actual camp day. More than likely it was one of the scenarios where a coach could not be the guy running those workouts (or if nothing else, I'm sure some parents would frown upon a coach getting the boys together on Sunday), but a former player returned to help out voluntarily from time to time. I wouldn't think you would see this happen a lot in new coach scenario, usually these kids that come back to help like the comfort of contributing to their alma mater and their former coach at the same time. Nothing against coach Dick at all, but perhaps recent Galion grads just didn't feel comfortable reaching out, when the main man is not Hawkins anymore, on the flip side coach hot dogs former boys probably don't feel comfortable reaching out yet, because their from Fredericktown and not Galion. Give it a couple years for coach Dick to have some Galion players of his own in college and I'd be willing to bet, you may see something like those Sunday's come back again.
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Post by gt1975 on Sept 14, 2016 18:47:43 GMT -5
You have to be a coach in order to do the workouts. And if you don't want these to count as a camp day then there has to be 4 or less players and these are called, I believe, individual instruction days. You can have as many instruction days as you want as long as it's not during the no contact period.
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Post by stanley on Sept 14, 2016 20:04:31 GMT -5
You have to be a coach in order to do the workouts. And if you don't want these to count as a camp day then there has to be 4 or less players and these are called, I believe, individual instruction days. You can have as many instruction days as you want as long as it's not during the no contact period. Ok thanks for the explanation. A coach does have to do the workout, but with that being said nothing can really stop an alum from coming back and getting the boys together and do their own little independent workout if they wanted to. Obviously a coach couldn't call that alum up and say "hey do such and such with these boys," but as long as it's totally independent and a coach isn't there providing instruction it's really fine. It would be no different then the QB having his receivers over at his house for a day and running through the routes in the backyard.
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Post by gt1975 on Sept 14, 2016 20:33:21 GMT -5
I agree. There may be a problem though if they do these workouts on school property.
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Post by stanley on Sept 14, 2016 21:47:36 GMT -5
^^^you are absolutely right about that. Even if it is innocent it can give a sketchy impression.
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 15, 2016 1:55:10 GMT -5
You are right about Coach Dick and maybe someday he will do the same. I've dealt with these Sunday workouts through the OHSAA. It's no different than an "open gym" BUT don't be a new guy from a different school coming to them or they will ASSUME you were recruited that way. They say it leaves a bad impression on it. I don't think we were hit by it though. It's legal, because no coaches were there, just parents running it. It was still beneficial as hell though. The kids were committed to it too.
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Post by presnapread on Sept 15, 2016 7:24:42 GMT -5
You have to be a coach in order to do the workouts. And if you don't want these to count as a camp day then there has to be 4 or less players and these are called, I believe, individual instruction days. You can have as many instruction days as you want as long as it's not during the no contact period. Gt1975, Stan The Man and others This OHSAA rule changed last spring .... The number is now 7, not 4 .... Presumably this is Ohio's answer to not allowing Springball like many southern states. Now coaches can work with up 7 kids in a formation (Spring 7 on 7 college coaches doing "visits" can watch) at a time, all off-season long. So, no problem, whatsoever, working with a center, two guards, two tackles and a Y. Besides, if it is an individual a football staff, AD and perhaps BOE respects, yet does not hire as a coach, then this person(s) is limitless on the work. Many, many ways to circumvent regulations and abide by the rules, if you're smart.
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Post by babymaker on Sept 15, 2016 9:31:43 GMT -5
I agree. There may be a problem though if they do these workouts on school property. A public campus leave things open for access. Hard to tell anyone that you can use the track publicly but not the grass.
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Post by gt1975 on Sept 15, 2016 11:03:02 GMT -5
Presnapread, thanks for the correction. I wasn't aware they changed it to 7 for football. Babymaker I wasn't talking about them using the football field. I was talking about them using the gym at the high school. If they told Galiontiger that it was just like an open gym then it wouldn't matter anyway. I was wrong, just trying to clarify what I meant.
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Post by brutus036 on Sept 16, 2016 8:53:52 GMT -5
I have to say this topic went from Tigers and BV to coaching should change the thread. It is a shame that Galion has lost the Line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They also have some good talent in the skill positions. But if the line can't give Cook or Ivy 3 seconds to find the open man or to hand off only to lose a yard then it will be a very long night for the Tigers. Tigers are also banged up which means DICK IS PLAYING freshmen some of whom need not be on the field this early in their career's. Yeah I am sure mom and dad are proud their son is on the field but if little Johnny gets on the field and is just taking up space it does the team no good.
Good Luck TIGERS the new MOAC will welcome you in with Friday night Butt Whippings Just like Alder and BV have done.
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Post by tigerfan on Sept 16, 2016 11:18:28 GMT -5
I just hope we start showing improvement.
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Post by galion on Sept 16, 2016 14:23:53 GMT -5
With what seems to be half our team injured and standing on the sideline, that's probably unlikely.
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Post by galion on Sept 16, 2016 14:26:32 GMT -5
I have to say this topic went from Tigers and BV to coaching should change the thread. It is a shame that Galion has lost the Line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They also have some good talent in the skill positions. But if the line can't give Cook or Ivy 3 seconds to find the open man or to hand off only to lose a yard then it will be a very long night for the Tigers. Tigers are also banged up which means DICK IS PLAYING freshmen some of whom need not be on the field this early in their career's. Yeah I am sure mom and dad are proud their son is on the field but if little Johnny gets on the field and is just taking up space it does the team no good. Good Luck TIGERS the new MOAC will welcome you in with Friday night Butt Whippings Just like Alder and BV have done. The new MOAC? You really think that Ontario is on the same level as JA? We actually make out pretty well in that trade off. Relax guy we're young. Next season will go a lot better.
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Post by galiontiger on Sept 16, 2016 16:01:12 GMT -5
I bet next season is worse actually. I bet 2-3 years from now. Galion will be one of the top teams. AND Brutus...you are just lucky we are not at full strength...some day we will be. :"(
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Post by gt1975 on Sept 16, 2016 16:39:16 GMT -5
^^^^ hopefully you're right but it's hard to make predictions based on kids in middle school and kids that are freshmen
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 16, 2016 16:46:17 GMT -5
I have to say this topic went from Tigers and BV to coaching should change the thread. It is a shame that Galion has lost the Line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. They also have some good talent in the skill positions. But if the line can't give Cook or Ivy 3 seconds to find the open man or to hand off only to lose a yard then it will be a very long night for the Tigers. Tigers are also banged up which means DICK IS PLAYING freshmen some of whom need not be on the field this early in their career's. Yeah I am sure mom and dad are proud their son is on the field but if little Johnny gets on the field and is just taking up space it does the team no good. Good Luck TIGERS the new MOAC will welcome you in with Friday night Butt Whippings Just like Alder and BV have done. The new MOAC? You really think that Ontario is on the same level as JA? We actually make out pretty well in that trade off. Relax guy we're young. Next season will go a lot better. No, but Clear Fork is better than Fairbanks.
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Post by moacfootballfan on Sept 16, 2016 21:27:53 GMT -5
Buckeye valley 56 galion 3.
My summary of the game, we suck.
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