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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 11:09:21 GMT -5
Best players without question. Strange things happen though in the tourney as veteran coaches find ways to keep it close. ONT and NORWALK and UPPER have better coaches than SHelby,,don't hate the player, hate the game. Tourney time right around the corner 😁
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 3, 2021 16:39:42 GMT -5
While the Lima Senior game was a great example of how Shelby as a team has progressed this year...it's also probably the highest level this team has performed in any game over the past two years that I'm aware of.
To that point: I am confident in Shelby because their ceiling is good enough to win any regional game...even Lima Shawnee.
Having this team lose in Districts would be a real slap in the face. I just beg that it doesn't come at the hands of some overly dramatic, gut-wrenching loss in the District Finals like against Willard in 04...Lex in 08...Madison in 11...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 16:48:34 GMT -5
While the Lima Senior game was a great example of how Shelby as a team has progressed this year...it's also probably the highest level this team has performed in any game over the past two years that I'm aware of. To that point: I am confident in Shelby because their ceiling is good enough to win any regional game...even Lima Shawnee. Having this team lose in Districts would be a real slap in the face. I just beg that it doesn't come at the hands of some overly dramatic, gut-wrenching loss in the District Finals like against Willard in 04...Lex in 08...Madison in 11... Yepp!!! According to buckeyekid though that’s just because Pugh and Lantz. Not the fact that the coaching staff has developed along with developing the younger kids.. but to my knowledge the sophomore and junior class hasn’t had a ton of basketball success prior to the last two years. They just flipped the switch and decided to be good! 😂
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Post by dude on Feb 3, 2021 20:20:35 GMT -5
While the Lima Senior game was a great example of how Shelby as a team has progressed this year...it's also probably the highest level this team has performed in any game over the past two years that I'm aware of. To that point: I am confident in Shelby because their ceiling is good enough to win any regional game...even Lima Shawnee. Having this team lose in Districts would be a real slap in the face. I just beg that it doesn't come at the hands of some overly dramatic, gut-wrenching loss in the District Finals like against Willard in 04...Lex in 08...Madison in 11... Yepp!!! According to buckeyekid though that’s just because Pugh and Lantz. Not the fact that the coaching staff has developed along with developing the younger kids.. but to my knowledge the sophomore and junior class hasn’t had a ton of basketball success prior to the last two years. They just flipped the switch and decided to be good! 😂 Shelby has had competitive teams at most if not all levels for many years. The previous coaching staff had good freshman and jv teams and the JH staff has been in place since before the current head coach. Other than the Shelby head coach the entire crew may have been there before him. devil28 may be that head coach trying to convince everyone just how good he is.
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Post by marchmadness on Feb 3, 2021 20:30:55 GMT -5
Shelby took it to Upper Sandusky tonight. Up 15 plus most of the last 3 quarters. The coaching was great. Devil28 will verify in a few minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 20:57:51 GMT -5
Yepp!!! According to buckeyekid though that’s just because Pugh and Lantz. Not the fact that the coaching staff has developed along with developing the younger kids.. but to my knowledge the sophomore and junior class hasn’t had a ton of basketball success prior to the last two years. They just flipped the switch and decided to be good! 😂 Shelby has had competitive teams at most if not all levels for many years. The previous coaching staff had good freshman and jv teams and the JH staff has been in place since before the current head coach. Other than the Shelby head coach the entire crew may have been there before him. devil28 may be that head coach trying to convince everyone just how good he is. I assure you of that your wrong. I helped him at ridgedale.. still talk to him daily.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 21:04:13 GMT -5
Shelby took it to Upper Sandusky tonight. Up 15 plus most of the last 3 quarters. The coaching was great. Devil28 will verify in a few minutes. I actually didn’t understand why he kept his starters in the last 3 mins. That was just my opinion though.
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Post by fanofthegame on Feb 3, 2021 21:26:19 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone would argue (including Shelby’s head coach) that Balogh and Gray know more about basketball. Lord, I hope so. They’re twice as old and have been doing it half their lives. Loney has an experienced assistant to help with X’s and O’s What he has clearly done is change the atmosphere of the program. It seems to be working. There has been talent and athletes for years, but you also can’t argue this team has pretty typical Shelby talent plus Pugh and Lantz. They have had equal talent that I can remember and done worse with it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2021 22:03:15 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone would argue (including Shelby’s head coach) that Balogh and Gray know more about basketball. Lord, I hope so. They’re twice as old and have been doing it half their lives. Loney has an experienced assistant to help with X’s and O’s What he has clearly done is change the atmosphere of the program. It seems to be working. There has been talent and athletes for years, but you also can’t argue this team has pretty typical Shelby talent plus Pugh and Lantz. They have had equal talent that I can remember and done worse with it. Their is someone that must have spoke to Shelby coach before. I never said he was better than either one of them. Any time I talk to him he tells me he fears going against them two coaches especially because they are so good I played for Steve when he coached at ridgedale. And he talks VERY VERY HIGHLY of his head assistant. I just laugh at these guys who won’t admit he’s changed the culture there. Because he’s young and carries himself with confidence. People don’t like that. I’m sure you’ve never spoke with him but talk to the young man face to face one time in a setting outside of the gym and you’ll have a whole new respect for him.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 4, 2021 7:20:05 GMT -5
I watched the game last year vs Willard where SHS was up 22-25 points in the 3rd quarter and never adjusted how they played as WHS was coming back. I mentioned to the SHS fan sitting behind me, I cannot believe he isn't working the clock a little bit---Shelby fan--"oh this guy has done this more than once" but maybe my sample size isn't big enough to form an opinion on his coaching ability. I'll say this, they def have the best talent in the area in their starting 5. Beating Lima Sr is a good win. Not sure what happened vs Wooster,,,but i'll stick by my early season guess---SHS is Regional bound.
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Post by dude on Feb 4, 2021 7:39:25 GMT -5
SHS is clearly the favorite in this district, but it would not surprise me to see someone else going to regionals.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 4, 2021 7:47:12 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone would argue (including Shelby’s head coach) that Balogh and Gray know more about basketball. Lord, I hope so. They’re twice as old and have been doing it half their lives. Loney has an experienced assistant to help with X’s and O’s What he has clearly done is change the atmosphere of the program. It seems to be working. There has been talent and athletes for years, but you also can’t argue this team has pretty typical Shelby talent plus Pugh and Lantz. They have had equal talent that I can remember and done worse with it. Come on, everyone that knows anything about SHS knows that Schwinley (SP??) was an ego maniac and it was his way or the highway. Brady Hill stuck it to him for this reason alone. Shelby is "playing" basketball instead of getting pulled down by a million Xs and Os, that is the difference this year.
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Post by dude on Feb 4, 2021 7:58:02 GMT -5
I don’t think anyone would argue (including Shelby’s head coach) that Balogh and Gray know more about basketball. Lord, I hope so. They’re twice as old and have been doing it half their lives. Loney has an experienced assistant to help with X’s and O’s What he has clearly done is change the atmosphere of the program. It seems to be working. There has been talent and athletes for years, but you also can’t argue this team has pretty typical Shelby talent plus Pugh and Lantz. They have had equal talent that I can remember and done worse with it. Come on, everyone that knows anything about SHS knows that Schwinley (SP??) was an ego maniac and it was his way or the highway. Brady Hill stuck it to him for this reason alone. Shelby is "playing" basketball instead of getting pulled down by a million Xs and Os, that is the difference this year. You cannot find a successful coach without an ego and controlling mentality. The Hill kid was a result of bad parenting and never changed any outcomes. Shelby played one game without him and was an #8 seed playing the #1 seed in a sectional final.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 4, 2021 9:05:58 GMT -5
Come on, everyone that knows anything about SHS knows that Schwinley (SP??) was an ego maniac and it was his way or the highway. Brady Hill stuck it to him for this reason alone. Shelby is "playing" basketball instead of getting pulled down by a million Xs and Os, that is the difference this year. You cannot find a successful coach without an ego and controlling mentality. The Hill kid was a result of bad parenting and never changed any outcomes. Shelby played one game without him and was an #8 seed playing the #1 seed in a sectional final. Love it, blame the kid. I was close to the situation and it was the coach, not the kid. The kid just got fed up with the pampering he did with his son and failed to hold him to the same standard he held the other players to. Say, you cuss and have to run 10 laps and 10 minutes later his son cusses and he says knock it off, no running. Get what I'm saying?
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Post by jmorgret07 on Feb 4, 2021 10:07:38 GMT -5
Shelby will host Tiffin Calvert on Friday.
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Post by crimson5 on Feb 4, 2021 10:13:11 GMT -5
Shelby will host Tiffin Calvert on Friday. I think this game will be much closer than most expect. Calvert has a bunch of scappers with talent. I won't be surprised to see Calvert win this.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 10:15:34 GMT -5
Shelby will host Tiffin Calvert on Friday. I think this game will be much closer than most expect. Calvert has a bunch of scappers with talent. I won't be surprised to see Calvert win this. Calvert played Buckeye Valley close. I don’t think anyone is expecting a blow out!
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Post by dude on Feb 4, 2021 11:10:11 GMT -5
You cannot find a successful coach without an ego and controlling mentality. The Hill kid was a result of bad parenting and never changed any outcomes. Shelby played one game without him and was an #8 seed playing the #1 seed in a sectional final. Love it, blame the kid. I was close to the situation and it was the coach, not the kid. The kid just got fed up with the pampering he did with his son and failed to hold him to the same standard he held the other players to. Say, you cuss and have to run 10 laps and 10 minutes later his son cusses and he says knock it off, no running. Get what I'm saying? I never blamed the kid, I blamed the parent. I know them both. Not saying there wasn't special treatment for a coach's kid but that happens on every team that has a son playing for a father. If the rule is don't cuss, then don't. I try my best to not judge my situation by someone else. Success is a struggle, but not always fair.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 4, 2021 12:17:45 GMT -5
Love it, blame the kid. I was close to the situation and it was the coach, not the kid. The kid just got fed up with the pampering he did with his son and failed to hold him to the same standard he held the other players to. Say, you cuss and have to run 10 laps and 10 minutes later his son cusses and he says knock it off, no running. Get what I'm saying? I never blamed the kid, I blamed the parent. I know them both. Not saying there wasn't special treatment for a coach's kid but that happens on every team that has a son playing for a father. If the rule is don't cuss, then don't. I try my best to not judge my situation by someone else. Success is a struggle, but not always fair. But isn't that the problem in itself, treating others special? It is a fault and sometimes it snowballs and you are left with what you have. Showing favoritism is the quickest way to lose credibility in any system, period. The coach was a POS, look why he left (booted) and the circumstances, that should tell you enough about him. If I'm taking a test and my father is the teacher and gives me all the answers it isn't fair but it is a leg up on all those busting their humps to get a good grade. My point is simple, some people will pave a path for their kid at any cost and those that may be just as talented, or even more so, get the shaft because there is an underlying agenda. You know it happens and so do I, don't make it right but I just like when a kid sticks it to a person like that at the most opportune time, when that coach needed him the most, instant karma.
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Post by dude on Feb 4, 2021 12:40:28 GMT -5
I never blamed the kid, I blamed the parent. I know them both. Not saying there wasn't special treatment for a coach's kid but that happens on every team that has a son playing for a father. If the rule is don't cuss, then don't. I try my best to not judge my situation by someone else. Success is a struggle, but not always fair. But isn't that the problem in itself, treating others special? It is a fault and sometimes it snowballs and you are left with what you have. Showing favoritism is the quickest way to lose credibility in any system, period. The coach was a POS, look why he left (booted) and the circumstances, that should tell you enough about him. If I'm taking a test and my father is the teacher and gives me all the answers it isn't fair but it is a leg up on all those busting their humps to get a good grade. My point is simple, some people will pave a path for their kid at any cost and those that may be just as talented, or even more so, get the shaft because there is an underlying agenda. You know it happens and so do I, don't make it right but I just like when a kid sticks it to a person like that at the most opportune time, when that coach needed him the most, instant karma. I never claimed Schwemley was perfect and obviously now we know better. There is a difference between the answers to a test and letting you cussing in class like you originally mentioned. Favoritism is a long standing complaint by many and usually give them a justified reason to quit. In reality it happens every day in every practice. There will always be someone who gets a little more attention than others. This happens in the classroom, in the gym and at work. So you can keep quitting or focus on yourself and not worry about the other. If you truly are talented you will shine. But you will never shine if you quit. In that specific case they would have probably lost anyways as it was an #8 seed playing the #1 seed. But knowing the kid and parents personally, I felt his teammates were the ones losing.
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Post by truecrimson on Feb 4, 2021 14:08:22 GMT -5
But isn't that the problem in itself, treating others special? It is a fault and sometimes it snowballs and you are left with what you have. Showing favoritism is the quickest way to lose credibility in any system, period. The coach was a POS, look why he left (booted) and the circumstances, that should tell you enough about him. If I'm taking a test and my father is the teacher and gives me all the answers it isn't fair but it is a leg up on all those busting their humps to get a good grade. My point is simple, some people will pave a path for their kid at any cost and those that may be just as talented, or even more so, get the shaft because there is an underlying agenda. You know it happens and so do I, don't make it right but I just like when a kid sticks it to a person like that at the most opportune time, when that coach needed him the most, instant karma. I never claimed Schwemley was perfect and obviously now we know better. There is a difference between the answers to a test and letting you cussing in class like you originally mentioned. Favoritism is a long standing complaint by many and usually give them a justified reason to quit. In reality it happens every day in every practice. There will always be someone who gets a little more attention than others. This happens in the classroom, in the gym and at work. So you can keep quitting or focus on yourself and not worry about the other. If you truly are talented you will shine. But you will never shine if you quit. In that specific case they would have probably lost anyways as it was an #8 seed playing the #1 seed. But knowing the kid and parents personally, I felt his teammates were the ones losing. No winners at all in that situation and I enjoyed watching him play since he was in upwards, was a special talent.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 4, 2021 16:13:33 GMT -5
Not sure what happened vs Wooster In reference to Shelby against Wooster... Shelby held it together for a half. I think Shelby still had better talent, but Wooster definitely had more legitimate athletes on their team who pressured Shelby pretty well throughout the game. I lobby they probably had most of the top 5 fastest kids in the same way Shelby had most of the better basketball talented players. Once things starting getting dicey, Shelby was stuck doing a lot of those 1 v 1 sets that Wooster kept eating up because they were executing pretty well on defense. Honestly, Wooster started out maybe 1-10 or 0-11 from 3 in that game, if not worse. Shelby could have lost by 30. That being said, it will be really difficult for this Shelby team to run into a team of Wooster's caliber until regionals. If Shelby had played up to their peak against Lima, then they definitely scraped near the bottom against Wooster (with some help from Wooster being a very fine team). Shelby would have lost to Lima by 20 easily if they played like they did against Wooster.
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Post by 419bossman on Feb 7, 2021 9:44:36 GMT -5
Records before the draw
Shelby 13-2 Upper Sandusky 12-7 Ontario 11-5 Norwalk 11-7 Mansfield Sr. 7-5 Huron 7-5 Vermilion 6-10 Clear Fork 6-11 Lexington 4-7 Bellevue 3-11 Galion 0-15
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Feb 7, 2021 12:02:59 GMT -5
Not sure what happened vs Wooster In reference to Shelby against Wooster... Shelby held it together for a half. I think Shelby still had better talent, but Wooster definitely had more legitimate athletes on their team who pressured Shelby pretty well throughout the game. I lobby they probably had most of the top 5 fastest kids in the same way Shelby had most of the better basketball talented players. Once things starting getting dicey, Shelby was stuck doing a lot of those 1 v 1 sets that Wooster kept eating up because they were executing pretty well on defense. Honestly, Wooster started out maybe 1-10 or 0-11 from 3 in that game, if not worse. Shelby could have lost by 30. That being said, it will be really difficult for this Shelby team to run into a team of Wooster's caliber until regionals. If Shelby had played up to their peak against Lima, then they definitely scraped near the bottom against Wooster (with some help from Wooster being a very fine team). Shelby would have lost to Lima by 20 easily if they played like they did against Wooster. IF Shelby didn't play up to their potential against Wooster, is it not possible Lima didn't play up tp their potential against Shelby? I bet if you asked Lima they would say they did not. ALSO, if Shelby played up to their potential against Lima, then they have not played close to their potential in any of their other games.
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Post by buckeyekid on Feb 7, 2021 12:47:38 GMT -5
Good point regarding Lima Sr and Shelby.
I still see Shelby winning this District based on strength of schedule and performance thus far. But —- they will need to bring their A game because there are 5-6 teams who at times look really good as well.
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Post by edchambers on Feb 7, 2021 13:03:23 GMT -5
Voting results:
1. Shelby(99) 2. Ontario (86) 3. Norwalk (82) 4. Upper Sandusky (70) 5. Mansfield Senior (61) 6. Huron (61) 7. Clear Fork (37) 8. Vermilion (36) 9. Lexington (35) 10. Bellevue (18) 11. Galion (9)
Mansfield Senior won the tiebreaker with Huron
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Post by sportsvideo on Feb 7, 2021 13:04:55 GMT -5
Seeds going into the 2pm drawing are as follows... #1 Shelby, #2 Ontario, #3 Norwalk, #4 Upper , #5 Mansfield Sr. #6 Huron #7 Clear Fork, #8 Vermilion #9 Lexington, #10 Bellevue, #11 Galion
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Feb 7, 2021 14:02:41 GMT -5
In reference to Shelby against Wooster... Shelby held it together for a half. I think Shelby still had better talent, but Wooster definitely had more legitimate athletes on their team who pressured Shelby pretty well throughout the game. I lobby they probably had most of the top 5 fastest kids in the same way Shelby had most of the better basketball talented players. Once things starting getting dicey, Shelby was stuck doing a lot of those 1 v 1 sets that Wooster kept eating up because they were executing pretty well on defense. Honestly, Wooster started out maybe 1-10 or 0-11 from 3 in that game, if not worse. Shelby could have lost by 30. That being said, it will be really difficult for this Shelby team to run into a team of Wooster's caliber until regionals. If Shelby had played up to their peak against Lima, then they definitely scraped near the bottom against Wooster (with some help from Wooster being a very fine team). Shelby would have lost to Lima by 20 easily if they played like they did against Wooster. IF Shelby didn't play up to their potential against Wooster, is it not possible Lima didn't play up tp their potential against Shelby? I bet if you asked Lima they would say they did not. ALSO, if Shelby played up to their potential against Lima, then they have not played close to their potential in any of their other games. That is, in my opinion, the correct way to be looking at this Shelby team. At their best, they are very capable and can beat the Lima's of the world. On a typical night, they don't beat Lima. I would say Shelby has not played close to their potential in most of their games this year (at least the ones I have watched). This isn't necessarily a critique of Shelby, since most teams don't play their best each night. Teams like Shelby with big-time talent like Pugh and Lantz have a much higher ceiling so long as they are hot. I don't know which Lima team showed up that night, but I know they beat Mansfield Senior by 32 compared to Shelby's 12 point win. The only hope is that Shelby is simply playing down to a lot of their competition. That's a possibility, but I'm not selling my house to bet on that.
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Post by 419bossman on Feb 7, 2021 14:28:27 GMT -5
Here are the results from the draw
All games are on Tuesday February 23rd and Friday February 26th all games start at 7:00pm
#9 Lexington vs. #8 Vermilion- Winner will travel to #1 Shelby
#7 Clear Fork vs. #6 Huron- Game on Friday 2/26
#10 Bellevue vs. #2 Ontario- Winner will play #5 Mansfield Senior
#11 Galion vs. #3 Norwalk- Winner will play #4 Upper Sandusky
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Post by sportsvideo on Feb 7, 2021 15:07:21 GMT -5
Here are the results from the draw All games are on Tuesday February 23rd and Friday February 26th all games start at 7:00pm #9 Lexington vs. #8 Vermilion- Winner will travel to #1 Shelby #7 Clear Fork vs. #6 Huron- Game on Friday 2/26 #10 Bellevue vs. #2 Ontario- Winner will play #5 Mansfield Senior #11 Galion vs. #3 Norwalk- Winner will play #4 Upper Sandusky and higher seeds host until we get down to 4 teams left in district..
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