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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 13:09:57 GMT -5
Fix the defense . Run a 4-3-4 as we are getting beat on the ground, not through the air. Secondly—- 50/50 run pass. If we have to pass 53 times ,,,, not good. 3rd—-QB has to be able to run the ball a little bit anyway. I’m not totally convinced Stroud is The guy. 4th—Coombs isn’t the guy. Not not good with that hire at all. Teams get to be great by hiring good assistants — I’m afraid we have whiffed on him. Most all colleges now run a defense with only 2 LBS due to the proliferation of offenses that use 4 WRs or 3 WRs and a TE. None of Ohio States QB's run the ball, they are all Pro-Style QBs. Wise people in all professions know when not to take a promotion that they can not handle. The Peter Principle.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 13:13:36 GMT -5
Agree that the ugly loss may hurt recruiting, but wouldnt be surprised if OSU told recruits --- hey look, if you are good enough, theres a good chance you can step right in and start, especially defensively. Ryan Day does NOT believe in telling recruits that kind of BS
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 13:18:16 GMT -5
When we saw the air cast being put on his leg, that was definitely not a good sign. They will need to move people around as Shaw is not the answer. Dude gave up two of the TD’s on his own. At this point I don’t have faith that Coombs is going to be able to figure this out. They have a couple weeks to figure out who their 11 best are and get healthy (Brown/Banks). I would recommend going to a 2 safety look instead of the single high with Proctor out, but I’m not making over a million coaching at Ohio State. 17 shouldn’t be on the field at all. Hickman can’t read anything. Harrison is a 5 star bust. The next play a linebacker makes will be the first They currently are playing 2 LBs, 3 Safeties(one is the "bullet") and 2 Corners
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Post by Birdman on Sept 12, 2021 14:18:43 GMT -5
Pro-style or not, sometimes running is your best option and Stroud should learn to do that more often, especially since his arm isn’t doing what he intended it to do. That’s part of the “it” factor.
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Post by buckeyekid on Sept 12, 2021 15:25:36 GMT -5
I don’t recall Stroud being a pro style QB or not. But he had numerous opps to run for what appeared to be easy yards and instead threw on the run. He almost looked uncomfortable running as to not wanting to get hit. I get it, but sometimes you need to tuck it and run and get the 5-7 yards instead of 0 on an incomplete pass.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 12, 2021 17:47:27 GMT -5
I don’t recall Stroud being a pro style QB or not. But he had numerous opps to run for what appeared to be easy yards and instead threw on the run. He almost looked uncomfortable running as to not wanting to get hit. I get it, but sometimes you need to tuck it and run and get the 5-7 yards instead of 0 on an incomplete pass. When he did decide to tuck and run, it was very tentative and certainly not full speed. I want to see some confidence and tenacity in his runs. Attitude is everything, when playing a skilled position. "I'm going to get what we need and nobody is going to stop me!"
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 19:44:59 GMT -5
I don’t recall Stroud being a pro style QB or not. But he had numerous opps to run for what appeared to be easy yards and instead threw on the run. He almost looked uncomfortable running as to not wanting to get hit. I get it, but sometimes you need to tuck it and run and get the 5-7 yards instead of 0 on an incomplete pass. Day does not recruit dual threat QBs. But all QBs must scramble once in awhile, except for those like Roethlisberger. The one time he did scrambled up the middle for a good gain I didn't think he was getting up, after he got Skalskied. I'm sure Day has told Stroud to throw it into the first row instead of scrambling, unless the game is on the line. He's not built like Fields and Fields was always getting dinged up. I'm afraid Stroud would get more than dinged if he ran like Fields did.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 12, 2021 19:49:52 GMT -5
I don’t recall Stroud being a pro style QB or not. But he had numerous opps to run for what appeared to be easy yards and instead threw on the run. He almost looked uncomfortable running as to not wanting to get hit. I get it, but sometimes you need to tuck it and run and get the 5-7 yards instead of 0 on an incomplete pass. When he did decide to tuck and run, it was very tentative and certainly not full speed. I want to see some confidence and tenacity in his runs. Attitude is everything, when playing a skilled position. "I'm going to get what we need and nobody is going to stop me!" Forget about what it looked like when Fields scrambled. Fields runs a 4.2 40, Stroud a 5.5. That's why it looks like tentative,
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Post by ronburgandy on Sept 12, 2021 20:52:58 GMT -5
After two weeks of play, here is where Ohio State ranks nationally in defense...
Total defense - 112th Scoring - 108th Rushing - 117th Passing - 77th
That is so damn awful with the amount of talent this team has. Basically every player is 4 or 5 star. Doesn't matter how little experience some may have, our defense should never be that bad in all those categories.
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Post by Birdman on Sept 12, 2021 21:21:00 GMT -5
After two weeks of play, here is where Ohio State ranks nationally in defense... Total defense - 112th Scoring - 108th Rushing - 117th Passing - 77th That is so damn awful with the amount of talent this team has. Basically every player is 4 or 5 star. Doesn't matter how little experience some may have, our defense should never be that bad in all those categories. Wow. Also where are these stats on Stroud running a 5.5 40. I can run faster than that and I’m a washed up 33 year old. That can’t be a true.
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 12, 2021 21:39:55 GMT -5
I know a lot of people are calling for Coombs to be fired, and I don’t disagree but I just don’t see Day doing that after the second game. If it does happen, it’ll be after the season is over, IMO. I know Stroud had a nice game again but there’s just something about him that I’m still not completely sold on him being “the guy” to lead us to a championship in the next few years. Tom Brady couldn't lead this team to a championship with this defense Yes, he can
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Post by dude on Sept 12, 2021 21:41:55 GMT -5
After two weeks of play, here is where Ohio State ranks nationally in defense... Total defense - 112th Scoring - 108th Rushing - 117th Passing - 77th That is so damn awful with the amount of talent this team has. Basically every player is 4 or 5 star. Doesn't matter how little experience some may have, our defense should never be that bad in all those categories. Wow. Also where are these stats on Stroud running a 5.5 40. I can run faster than that am I’m a washed up 33 year old. That can’t be a true. Stroud ran 4.8 40
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 13, 2021 4:42:12 GMT -5
Stroud was listed as a pro-style QB by 247 when he was being recruited Hope we get a good look at Kyle McCord in the coming weeks. We need a QB that uses his progressions, sees his secondary targets and utilizes his outlet man. Stroud has been locked in on his primary targets exclusively.
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Post by dude on Sept 13, 2021 7:19:20 GMT -5
With everything negative being said about Stroud's body language and judgement, It really makes you wonder how he won the starting spot. I know he wasn't officially named the starter until mid August but he was clearly the favorite even back in the spring practices.
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Post by purefan on Sept 13, 2021 9:59:34 GMT -5
Stroud’s mechanics when he is on the move or out of the pocket is his biggest downfall. When on the move every throw floats and is high. It’s always better to miss a throw low than high. That being said he is a very small part of what is wrong and he will continue to improve… defense on the other hand…inexcusable
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 10:37:59 GMT -5
He’s a freaking freshman that just passed for almost 500 yards in a game. The problem on offense is the fact they have 4 tackles playing the o-line and can’t get any push in the run game
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 13, 2021 11:13:45 GMT -5
Stroud was listed as a pro-style QB by 247 when he was being recruited Hope we get a good look at Kyle McCord in the coming weeks. We need a QB that uses his progressions, sees his secondary targets and utilizes his outlet man. Stroud has been locked in on his primary targets exclusively. We will only get a look at McCord in mop up duty or against teams like Akron who do not have a good defense. You have NO idea that Stroud is not using his progressions, not seeing secondary targets and not utilizing his outlet man or always locked in on his primary targets exclusively. Justin Fields was said to do the same things. BUT, what neophytes don't understand is that IF the primary receiver is open you throw the ball to him and do not look for another receiver. In Ryan Day's offense when Smith-Njigba, Olave and Wilson are the primary targets on a play, they most likely will be open.
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Post by ronburgandy on Sept 13, 2021 15:19:28 GMT -5
For anyone that has Twitter, check out Bill Rabinowitz. He has a bunch of clips from the game showing how out of place and slow our defenders were. Someone that hasn’t gotten talked about much is Teradja Mitchell, he was completely lost and slow several times. And as we’ve talked about, Shaw was just awful and Eichenberg the same. Watching his clips he posted just showed even more how bad our defense is/was.
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Post by ronburgandy on Sept 14, 2021 12:00:55 GMT -5
Coach Day just had his press conference. Reading between the lines, changes are coming on the defensive side. He wouldn’t elaborate on anything but the way he worded some of his answers, something is going on behind the scenes.
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 14, 2021 12:06:43 GMT -5
Indirectly, Ducks win in Columbus was Helton's demise in SoCal.
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Post by dude on Sept 14, 2021 13:44:58 GMT -5
Coach Day just had his press conference. Reading between the lines, changes are coming on the defensive side. He wouldn’t elaborate on anything but the way he worded some of his answers, something is going on behind the scenes. GOOD! I'm glad to hear that.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 14, 2021 15:14:19 GMT -5
Ryan Day only gave one specific answer to all the questions he got about his defense. Yes, Kerry Coombs is still the Defensive Coordinator. On offense he was very specific about CJ Stroud. He does not think Stroud is over throwing his WRs and thinks he is not being tentative when he scrambles, has been very successful when he's scrambled. He was also specific when asked if another QB was going to get any important snaps. "Absolutely not".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 17:52:24 GMT -5
Sounding like C.J. Stroud-Day is to Ryan Day, As J.T. Barrett-Meyer was to Urban Meyer.
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Post by dude on Sept 14, 2021 18:49:35 GMT -5
Sounding like C.J. Stroud-Day is to Ryan Day, As J.T. Barrett-Meyer was to Urban Meyer. In 2 games he is 48 of 76 throwing with only 2 INTs. He has 778 YDs passing and 7 TDs in those 2 games. His per game average yards is more than the rushing total yards for the team in those games. Why in H*E*L*L would he pull him.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 14, 2021 19:33:43 GMT -5
Sounding like C.J. Stroud-Day is to Ryan Day, As J.T. Barrett-Meyer was to Urban Meyer. A head coach QB whisperer would be pretty ignorant to ruin his Freshman starting QB, by pulling him or even implying he's thinking about it. AND scaring off any other QBs thinking about Ohio State
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 15, 2021 4:50:31 GMT -5
Sounding like C.J. Stroud-Day is to Ryan Day, As J.T. Barrett-Meyer was to Urban Meyer. A head coach QB whisperer would be pretty ignorant to ruin his Freshman starting QB, by pulling him or even implying he's thinking about it. AND scaring off any other QBs thinking about Ohio State 'Big Ten QB of the week' back to back. C.J. is batting a .1000 in that regard. Despite his success out of the gate, some fans giving a 'no confidence' sign? Heck, some on facebook calling for Ryan Day's head....lol Some things are very comical.
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Post by ronburgandy on Sept 15, 2021 6:11:54 GMT -5
The people calling for Day to be fired are just idiots, those are the ones that think they’re true fans but they’re really not.
As for Stroud, yes he has great stats so far and playing well. I still am having a hard time seeing him as the “man”, the one that’s going to lead the team to a national title. I can’t quite pinpoint what it is but I’m just not feeling it from him yet for some reason. I hope he proves me wrong. Still a long ways to go.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 15, 2021 6:50:05 GMT -5
Ryan Day is not a happy camper these days. He is now forced into the necessity of taking on a micro managing roll, due to the woefull inadequacies of the Buckeye defense. His comments at the press conference, "It's not what we expect here, it's not what we expect" and later he foretells things to come with, we will "make things uncomfortable".
We just witnessed head coach Clay Shelton getting the boot from a major head coaching position after only two weeks into the season, so don't be surprised if Kerry Coombs doesn't get escorted out the door, very soon. If he is retained, I expect him to be demoted to a position coach. The question becomes, do we have someone on staff with the abilities and fortitude to be an interum D/C?
I have little doubt, there is a search being conducted of viable young, defensive minded coaches across the country, for a prompt plan of action, when the season has concluded. Coombs future is tennuous at best and I wouldn't be feeling too terribly secure if my name is Larry Johnson or Al Washington, but I think when all the smoke clears, they will still be on staff.
The Buckeye defensive ship is languishing in the water and listing to one side, can coach Day right his floundering ship before we approach the key games ahead? I've got a couple paddles and a few buckets to lend him. "It's not what we expect here, it's not what we expect" It's not what any of us expected!
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 15, 2021 8:18:35 GMT -5
A head coach QB whisperer would be pretty ignorant to ruin his Freshman starting QB, by pulling him or even implying he's thinking about it. AND scaring off any other QBs thinking about Ohio State 'Big Ten QB of the week' back to back. C.J. is batting a .1000 in that regard. Despite his success out of the gate, some fans giving a 'no confidence' sign? Heck, some on facebook calling for Ryan Day's head....lol Some things are very comical. you are Buckeyes. You're nuts! Ha!
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 15, 2021 11:07:50 GMT -5
I think we all know the crazy one around here......CrazyJake!
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