|
Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 14, 2021 11:51:50 GMT -5
Does the River Division serve any value to the Lake/Bay schools in other sports? At all? Is there a big wrestling or track meet that benefits with their presence? Or is the entire thing a charade to bail Willard out? Yes, there's a big wrestling meet (though last year's had to be broken up due to covid restrictions) and I want to say there's a big track meet too, though someone more familiar may need to clarify that. Also, IIRC there are a handful of sports where the SBC only has 2 divisions due to a lower number of schools that offer certain programs, and that's nice flexibility to have. Also, rembember that Oak Harbor leaving makes an odd number in the Bay. So sending Willard down doesn't only benefit them, but takes the combined Lake and Bay back to an even number (While also giving the River and even number for the moment by giving Woodmore an entry partner) The only question was whether to make it one big 10 team division or two 5's. I would speculate the conversation went like this: "OK, we'll keep it as two divisions so can have your better chance at titles, but we've gotta have a couple mandatory crossovers to help with our scheduling. Deal?" "Deal."
|
|
|
Post by Mike Hula on Oct 14, 2021 11:58:52 GMT -5
I have a feeling that in a couple years a couple of the Bay schools will not be very happy with this. Let’s face it football is the driving force behind many decisions made at the high school level. In a couple years, it could be Perkins or Clyde down and Bellevue back up.
|
|
|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 14, 2021 16:35:33 GMT -5
THE reality is.....No 250+ linemen p!aying soccer. no hard nosed LB types playing soccer. If a good QB, WR or RB, do you want to play soccer after school on Wednesday in front of 100 fans or play football on Friday nights under the lights in front of 1000s? Kids playing soccer can't or don't want to play football. What football loses with a soccer team are the 25 kids standing on the sideline cheering on the team that never get in the game for significant minutes Ken Jennings, is that you? Just the hard core facts. Four letters in football, started on O and D for 3 years. Have also been a soccer fan for 30 years. With an open mind that is possible.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 17:03:33 GMT -5
I have a feeling that in a couple years a couple of the Bay schools will not be very happy with this. Let’s face it football is the driving force behind many decisions made at the high school level. In a couple years, it could be Perkins or Clyde down and Bellevue back up. based on the article it seems that you could have a situation of clyde and bellevue in the bay... or Perkins and Clyde, etc, how would vermilion handle a two year stint in the Lake for football? honestly, with the numbers they have, they could have teams get upset and leave over just football divisions and continue to operate as a league. Teams in the upper two likely won't leave over football because it is a solid league for all their other sports.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 17:09:23 GMT -5
I didn't see the Register article until now: sanduskyregister.com/news/348243/sbc-moving-bellevue-football-to-bay-division/Some key points: - Vermilion does drop back to Bay for non football sports - there will be 2 mandatory crossovers - division lineups will be determined every two years based on enrollment - Bellevue and Perkins 2018 enrollment were tied, they went back to the 2016 numbers to determine who dropped down. - 10-8 was considered, but they went with 5-5-8 because "Some of the Bay schools felt that their best chance to compete for championships would be to go to two divisions"Seems like we have a bunch of math majors at those Bay schools. its a shame Shelby bolted on the SBC early.
|
|
|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 14, 2021 17:15:52 GMT -5
then they should have no reason not to do it.... i think they owe it to the league, First of all I heard rumors that they were going to start up soccer but hope they are not true and secondly I call bullshit!! we can’t help it in Bellevue that the community thinks more of the football program than those in Huron and other communities. Bellevue really doesn’t owe any of those programs or schools anything. They owe the kids who want to play soccer
|
|
|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 14, 2021 17:30:09 GMT -5
Can I say I think soccer is an EXTREMELY boring sport to watch? Might be "fun" for the people playing, but watching it is a snooze fest. Reminds me of grade school kids playing keep away on the playground at recess. <-------Matter of fact, that might be more exciting to watch! That's all, carry on! In places like Lex and Ontario, they start organized soccer when kids are 5. They will have close to 1000 kids playing soccer in first through 8th grade . When do kids start playing organized football and how many are playing?
|
|
|
Post by xbellevueplayer on Oct 14, 2021 17:33:31 GMT -5
How do kids want to play soccer when it’s never introduced in Bellevue? I know of one girl that wanted to play and she played in an area league. 🤷🏻♂️
|
|
|
Post by xbellevueplayer on Oct 14, 2021 17:34:38 GMT -5
First of all I heard rumors that they were going to start up soccer but hope they are not true and secondly I call bullshit!! we can’t help it in Bellevue that the community thinks more of the football program than those in Huron and other communities. Bellevue really doesn’t owe any of those programs or schools anything. They owe the kids who want to play soccer And how about schools that pay to play? U have kids that can’t afford to pay to play so how is that any different!
|
|
|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 14, 2021 18:29:35 GMT -5
How do kids want to play soccer when it’s never introduced in Bellevue? I know of one girl that wanted to play and she played in an area league. 🤷🏻♂️ How do kids in any school district have a desire to play soccer before it was introduced? Which came first the chicken or the egg? Often there is a pocket of eastern European families in a city or community that grew up with it, like others grew up with American football and passed the interest down through generations.
|
|
|
Post by sportsvideo on Oct 14, 2021 19:07:49 GMT -5
How do kids want to play soccer when it’s never introduced in Bellevue? I know of one girl that wanted to play and she played in an area league. 🤷🏻♂️ we had nothing for softball before it became a school sport..took a while to get up to speed.. we didnt even have a pool for swimming at become a sport with nothing to talk about.. still don't have a pool for swimming. what they afraid of? put some lines on the football field..lets roll the ball out and get some kicks in..
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Oct 14, 2021 20:40:12 GMT -5
How do kids want to play soccer when it’s never introduced in Bellevue? I know of one girl that wanted to play and she played in an area league. 🤷🏻♂️ we had nothing for softball before it became a school sport..took a while to get up to speed.. we didnt even have a pool for swimming at become a sport with nothing to talk about.. still don't have a pool for swimming. what they afraid of? put some lines on the football field..lets roll the ball out and get some kicks in.. In Bellevue all they need is football, basketball and wrestling. All the rest is for sissies.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2021 22:01:08 GMT -5
How do kids want to play soccer when it’s never introduced in Bellevue? I know of one girl that wanted to play and she played in an area league. 🤷🏻♂️ we had nothing for softball before it became a school sport..took a while to get up to speed.. we didnt even have a pool for swimming at become a sport with nothing to talk about.. still don't have a pool for swimming. what they afraid of? put some lines on the football field..lets roll the ball out and get some kicks in.. You and drug mart hang out lately?
|
|
|
Post by xbellevueplayer on Oct 14, 2021 22:22:40 GMT -5
we had nothing for softball before it became a school sport..took a while to get up to speed.. we didnt even have a pool for swimming at become a sport with nothing to talk about.. still don't have a pool for swimming. what they afraid of? put some lines on the football field..lets roll the ball out and get some kicks in.. In Bellevue all they need is football, basketball and wrestling. All the rest is for sissies. 👍🏼😉
|
|
|
Post by xbellevueplayer on Oct 14, 2021 22:25:08 GMT -5
How do kids want to play soccer when it’s never introduced in Bellevue? I know of one girl that wanted to play and she played in an area league. 🤷🏻♂️ we had nothing for softball before it became a school sport..took a while to get up to speed.. we didnt even have a pool for swimming at become a sport with nothing to talk about.. still don't have a pool for swimming. what they afraid of? put some lines on the football field..lets roll the ball out and get some kicks in.. Seems like ur the one afraid man with ur demands that Bellevue have soccer! If soccer takes from football programs then it’s been the foolishness of the schools that’s seen the football programs dwindle because of adding the sport for the mommies who are afraid their boys will get hurt on the gridiron.
|
|
|
Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 14, 2021 23:28:46 GMT -5
Seems like we have a bunch of math majors at those Bay schools. its a shame Shelby bolted on the SBC early. The reality is we would have been a fringe Lake/Bay school in football. People forget, but Shelby never played a single SBC contest in ANY sport before they accepted an invite to the MOAC. Not a single contest. Being in the Bay meant three drives of 60+ minutes, and Huron is 55 minutes via car, not bus. Shelby wanted to play the Lake (i.e. NOL) schools in football. It was not going to happen with any certainty based on enrollment. Willard may get favors, but Shelby does not since going to the Lake would bump any of those Lake schools to the Bay division. The Lake is a beautifully concise, competitive division. No way they play favorites with us. Overall, it's not good for business in Shelby when you can go from playing the big boys to several hour+ drives based on enrollment. Bellevue may not love it for competition in the Bay, but the drives are roughly 30 minutes shorter per trip. Bellevue accepted their version of the MOAC. I have yet to find a Shelby fan that likes the MOAC. We think it is insufficient for our needs across all fronts. We can beat MOAC teams by 3+ TDs each Friday and get exposed, bad, once we play a real team. That is not fun. It is not what any Shelbilly grew up with. Though you will find near unanimous approval for the MOAC vs. playing the Bay schools. It just isn't palatable to locals to drive up to Lake Erie multiple times a season. Most of us are hoping the OCC blows up. It was already atrocious that the MOAC said no to Lexington and took Highland instead. It makes SENSE to take Highland for the MOAC. Highland is a MOAC school. Shelby is not (though Lexington brings so so so much more to the table from a simple gate receipts vantage point). The MOAC could be a fine league with Highland in the mix, as far as the Marion County schools are concerned. Not for me. Probably not for most citizens of Shelby.
|
|
|
Post by maplecityjake on Oct 15, 2021 0:10:11 GMT -5
we had nothing for softball before it became a school sport..took a while to get up to speed.. we didnt even have a pool for swimming at become a sport with nothing to talk about.. still don't have a pool for swimming. what they afraid of? put some lines on the football field..lets roll the ball out and get some kicks in.. Seems like ur the one afraid man with ur demands that Bellevue have soccer! If soccer takes from football programs then it’s been the foolishness of the schools that’s seen the football programs dwindle because of adding the sport for the mommies who are afraid their boys will get hurt on the gridiron. SV, you've been a great poster over the years, but you're buying the new Huron Kool aid. Munafo and Legando, IMHO, wouldn't subscribe to this crud Honestly, I think Hurons ego took a hit when the second go around of Bellevue-Huron happened, it was same ole same ole. When Bellevue was "down" as well
|
|
|
Post by Skip Bayless on Oct 15, 2021 6:53:11 GMT -5
we had nothing for softball before it became a school sport..took a while to get up to speed.. we didnt even have a pool for swimming at become a sport with nothing to talk about.. still don't have a pool for swimming. what they afraid of? put some lines on the football field..lets roll the ball out and get some kicks in.. Seems like ur the one afraid man with ur demands that Bellevue have soccer! If soccer takes from football programs then it’s been the foolishness of the schools that’s seen the football programs dwindle because of adding the sport for the mommies who are afraid their boys will get hurt on the gridiron. i call bullshit too. Does Bellevue dictate what this league will do? From talking to the Perkins brass, Bellevue principal begged for the move. Nobody in the bay wants Bellevue. Nasonti wants to be Alabama and hang 60 on those teams. they're cowards! play with us big boys
|
|
|
Post by xbellevueplayer on Oct 15, 2021 7:00:48 GMT -5
Seems like ur the one afraid man with ur demands that Bellevue have soccer! If soccer takes from football programs then it’s been the foolishness of the schools that’s seen the football programs dwindle because of adding the sport for the mommies who are afraid their boys will get hurt on the gridiron. i call bullshit too. Does Bellevue dictate what this league will do? From talking to the Perkins brass, Bellevue principal begged for the move. Nobody in the bay wants Bellevue. Nasonti wants to be Alabama and hang 60 on those teams. they're cowards! play with us big boys Your hilarious!! 🤣🤣🤣🙄
|
|
|
Post by ScarletFever on Oct 15, 2021 7:25:07 GMT -5
Willard drops down thank the heavens
|
|
|
Post by kingmartinez on Oct 15, 2021 8:20:31 GMT -5
As mentioned the other thread, why wouldn’t Bellevue want to fill their schedules with Lake and Bay teams (plus Shelby)? This can happen with the move to the Bay. It wasn’t going to happen by staying in the Lake. And they are the smallest school. It may change in a few years. Who knows. Some of the Bay schools are getting karma, IMO for not doing crossovers from the beginning.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 9:55:44 GMT -5
its a shame Shelby bolted on the SBC early. The reality is we would have been a fringe Lake/Bay school in football. People forget, but Shelby never played a single SBC contest in ANY sport before they accepted an invite to the MOAC. Not a single contest. Being in the Bay meant three drives of 60+ minutes, and Huron is 55 minutes via car, not bus. Shelby wanted to play the Lake (i.e. NOL) schools in football. It was not going to happen with any certainty based on enrollment. Willard may get favors, but Shelby does not since going to the Lake would bump any of those Lake schools to the Bay division. The Lake is a beautifully concise, competitive division. No way they play favorites with us. Overall, it's not good for business in Shelby when you can go from playing the big boys to several hour+ drives based on enrollment. Bellevue may not love it for competition in the Bay, but the drives are roughly 30 minutes shorter per trip. Bellevue accepted their version of the MOAC. I have yet to find a Shelby fan that likes the MOAC. We think it is insufficient for our needs across all fronts. We can beat MOAC teams by 3+ TDs each Friday and get exposed, bad, once we play a real team. That is not fun. It is not what any Shelbilly grew up with. Though you will find near unanimous approval for the MOAC vs. playing the Bay schools. It just isn't palatable to locals to drive up to Lake Erie multiple times a season. Most of us are hoping the OCC blows up. It was already atrocious that the MOAC said no to Lexington and took Highland instead. It makes SENSE to take Highland for the MOAC. Highland is a MOAC school. Shelby is not (though Lexington brings so so so much more to the table from a simple gate receipts vantage point). The MOAC could be a fine league with Highland in the mix, as far as the Marion County schools are concerned. Not for me. Probably not for most citizens of Shelby. I was hoping you'd give a long diatribe about this.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 9:58:59 GMT -5
Seems like ur the one afraid man with ur demands that Bellevue have soccer! If soccer takes from football programs then it’s been the foolishness of the schools that’s seen the football programs dwindle because of adding the sport for the mommies who are afraid their boys will get hurt on the gridiron. i call bullshit too. Does Bellevue dictate what this league will do? From talking to the Perkins brass, Bellevue principal begged for the move. Nobody in the bay wants Bellevue. Nasonti wants to be Alabama and hang 60 on those teams. they're cowards! play with us big boys Heard from others in the league that Perkins was begging to get in the Bay as well. But Bellevue moved based on the bylaws according the article. Maybe Perkins will drop in there the next cycle and then people in the Lake can call them cowards. This whole argument is really childish, especially if Bellevue is able to play all of the Lake teams still. What's wrong with that?
|
|
|
Post by sportsvideo on Oct 15, 2021 10:29:04 GMT -5
i call bullshit too. Does Bellevue dictate what this league will do? From talking to the Perkins brass, Bellevue principal begged for the move. Nobody in the bay wants Bellevue. Nasonti wants to be Alabama and hang 60 on those teams. they're cowards! play with us big boys Heard from others in the league that Perkins was begging to get in the Bay as well. But Bellevue moved based on the bylaws according the article. Maybe Perkins will drop in there the next cycle and then people in the Lake can call them cowards. This whole argument is really childish, especially if Bellevue is able to play all of the Lake teams still. What's wrong with that? nothing at all...welcome aboard.. we need another soccer team tired of traveling to find games
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2021 12:07:42 GMT -5
Heard from others in the league that Perkins was begging to get in the Bay as well. But Bellevue moved based on the bylaws according the article. Maybe Perkins will drop in there the next cycle and then people in the Lake can call them cowards. This whole argument is really childish, especially if Bellevue is able to play all of the Lake teams still. What's wrong with that? nothing at all...welcome aboard.. we need another soccer team tired of traveling to find games Awesome, I'm not from Bellevue but... I'm sure they will be looking forward to you providing hype videos and pictures when they have their inaugural season of soccer. Huron has bigger fish to fry right now than worrying about what SBC teams have soccer. Don't they have pending legal actions against the district or did it get settled out of court? That's an honest question.
|
|
|
Post by sportsvideo on Oct 15, 2021 12:20:48 GMT -5
nothing at all...welcome aboard.. we need another soccer team tired of traveling to find games Awesome, I'm not from Bellevue but... I'm sure they will be looking forward to you providing hype videos and pictures when they have their inaugural season of soccer. Huron has bigger fish to fry right now than worrying about what SBC teams have soccer. Don't they have pending legal actions against the district or did it get settled out of court? That's an honest question. . Yes they do. Couple of them in fact. Have a levy that needs passed too. I’m just ruffling the feathers. I actually think jalen will have Perkins winning the lake repeatedly and bellevue will always be bellevue….
|
|
|
Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 15, 2021 12:43:10 GMT -5
The reality is we would have been a fringe Lake/Bay school in football. People forget, but Shelby never played a single SBC contest in ANY sport before they accepted an invite to the MOAC. Not a single contest. Being in the Bay meant three drives of 60+ minutes, and Huron is 55 minutes via car, not bus. Shelby wanted to play the Lake (i.e. NOL) schools in football. It was not going to happen with any certainty based on enrollment. Willard may get favors, but Shelby does not since going to the Lake would bump any of those Lake schools to the Bay division. The Lake is a beautifully concise, competitive division. No way they play favorites with us. Overall, it's not good for business in Shelby when you can go from playing the big boys to several hour+ drives based on enrollment. Bellevue may not love it for competition in the Bay, but the drives are roughly 30 minutes shorter per trip. Bellevue accepted their version of the MOAC. I have yet to find a Shelby fan that likes the MOAC. We think it is insufficient for our needs across all fronts. We can beat MOAC teams by 3+ TDs each Friday and get exposed, bad, once we play a real team. That is not fun. It is not what any Shelbilly grew up with. Though you will find near unanimous approval for the MOAC vs. playing the Bay schools. It just isn't palatable to locals to drive up to Lake Erie multiple times a season. Most of us are hoping the OCC blows up. It was already atrocious that the MOAC said no to Lexington and took Highland instead. It makes SENSE to take Highland for the MOAC. Highland is a MOAC school. Shelby is not (though Lexington brings so so so much more to the table from a simple gate receipts vantage point). The MOAC could be a fine league with Highland in the mix, as far as the Marion County schools are concerned. Not for me. Probably not for most citizens of Shelby. I was hoping you'd give a long diatribe about this. I never let my fans down.
|
|
|
Post by sbclives on Oct 15, 2021 13:23:29 GMT -5
IMO this is what the future of the league will be unless something else crazy happens.
The new SBC Sandusky Norwalk Bellevue Clyde Vermilion Perkins Port Clinton Tiffin Columbian
Huron and Edison will have to find new homes. Huron is headed for Div. 5 football soon and Edison would get hammered with those 8 in just about everything but wrestling. I honestly think that Huron, Edison, Margaretta and Willard need to find four other schools and do their own league.
|
|
|
Post by Willard Dad on Oct 15, 2021 13:59:12 GMT -5
Lake 338 Sandusky 333 Columbian 318 Norwalk 256 Clyde 252 Perkins
Bay 252 Bellevue 248 Vermilion 228 Port Clinton 208 Huron 199 Edison
River 176 Willard 155 Lakota 125 Margaretta 123 Gibsonburg 98 Hopewell-Loudon 69 SMCC 62 Danbury 44 Calvert
Not understanding the "SBC is catering to Willard" mantra on here. By enrollment Willard is the team that either goes Bay or River. Why have 6-5-7 and have the Bay and River trying to find opponents late in the season? With 5-5-8, teams can have weeks 5 thru 10 covered with league contests as long as Lake and Bay were okay with crossovers which sounds like they were. Willard was already in the River before so obviously the River schools know what Willard brings football wise and were okay with Willard going to the River. If Willard can ever get the football team on track again, then obviously Willard wouldn't want to be in the River and the River wouldn't want Willard. You guys make it sound like Willard is the size of Sandusky and getting stuck down in the River just to appease Willard. Hopefully Willard's stay in the River is less than 4 years and the football team can get back on track, add another team to the SBC and have everyone happy in the future.
|
|
|
Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 15, 2021 19:18:12 GMT -5
its a shame Shelby bolted on the SBC early. The reality is we would have been a fringe Lake/Bay school in football. People forget, but Shelby never played a single SBC contest in ANY sport before they accepted an invite to the MOAC. Not a single contest. Being in the Bay meant three drives of 60+ minutes, and Huron is 55 minutes via car, not bus. Shelby wanted to play the Lake (i.e. NOL) schools in football. It was not going to happen with any certainty based on enrollment. Willard may get favors, but Shelby does not since going to the Lake would bump any of those Lake schools to the Bay division. The Lake is a beautifully concise, competitive division. No way they play favorites with us. Overall, it's not good for business in Shelby when you can go from playing the big boys to several hour+ drives based on enrollment. Bellevue may not love it for competition in the Bay, but the drives are roughly 30 minutes shorter per trip. Bellevue accepted their version of the MOAC. I have yet to find a Shelby fan that likes the MOAC. We think it is insufficient for our needs across all fronts. We can beat MOAC teams by 3+ TDs each Friday and get exposed, bad, once we play a real team. That is not fun. It is not what any Shelbilly grew up with. Though you will find near unanimous approval for the MOAC vs. playing the Bay schools. It just isn't palatable to locals to drive up to Lake Erie multiple times a season. Most of us are hoping the OCC blows up. It was already atrocious that the MOAC said no to Lexington and took Highland instead. It makes SENSE to take Highland for the MOAC. Highland is a MOAC school. Shelby is not (though Lexington brings so so so much more to the table from a simple gate receipts vantage point). The MOAC could be a fine league with Highland in the mix, as far as the Marion County schools are concerned. Not for me. Probably not for most citizens of Shelby. Since you're speaking for the citizens of Shelby. Pass on that hating on the MOAC could come back to bite. Shelby might find out how being an independent works.
|
|