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Post by moacpops on Dec 9, 2023 11:42:38 GMT -5
I predict Shelby, Harding, and R Valley all winning big today. Ontario should get win #1 on the season, beating Upper Sandusky. A few games into the season and the Whippets and Vikings are separating themselves from everyone else.
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Post by gtab on Dec 9, 2023 13:02:25 GMT -5
Well since Burskotter is hurt I can definitely see Galion running away with it tomorrow. Galion will be the most improve team and what I saw last night no one can stop 2 or 12. Galion dominated the entire game last night and will do it every night this year. I will even going as far saying that they will beat Lexington this year Hey troll, you have GOT to be kidding.
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Post by moacpops on Dec 9, 2023 17:14:46 GMT -5
Shelby 81, Galion 42
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Post by utsherman on Dec 9, 2023 17:17:52 GMT -5
Shelby 81 Galion 43 Final
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Dec 9, 2023 17:49:51 GMT -5
I'm glad 13yearoldgalionfan got that prediction of the Shelby vs Galion game right. Oh wait ✋️ 🥳🤡...81-43 nice game Tigers eh Whippets.
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Post by sbclives on Dec 9, 2023 18:24:26 GMT -5
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Post by jakethesnake2 on Dec 9, 2023 19:00:01 GMT -5
I think I just heard the toilet flush
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Post by averagejoe on Dec 9, 2023 20:34:34 GMT -5
I think I just heard the toilet flush Haha
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Post by averagejoe on Dec 9, 2023 20:36:48 GMT -5
Watching the Ontario Game vs Upper Sandusky and I cannot believe how bad the Warriors have declined. Upper May finish 4-5 in the N10 and Ontario cannot separate from them.
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Post by averagejoe on Dec 9, 2023 21:30:31 GMT -5
Ontario holds a winless team averaging 48 a game to 57 and take another loss. Good job Ontario parents in your actions.
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Post by moacpops on Dec 9, 2023 21:56:12 GMT -5
Marion Harding 63, Highland 43 R Valley 61, Pleasant 52
I am surprised by the Ontario loss. Upper was 3-20 last year and 0-2 to start the season. From an elite program under Balogh to this. The Pleasant R Valley score was closer than I expected.
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Post by averagejoe on Dec 9, 2023 22:05:53 GMT -5
Marion Harding 63, Highland 43 R Valley 61, Pleasant 52 I am surprised by the Ontario loss. Upper was 3-20 last year and 0-2 to start the season. From an elite program under Balogh to this. The Pleasant R Valley score was closer than I expected. Ontario is in a very bad place due to their parents and now have to ride out this hurricane until the ship is corrected with someone who knows what to do. But former Shelby guy fanofthegame is a supporter of this disaster.
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Post by mrsteel on Dec 9, 2023 22:33:27 GMT -5
Marion Harding 63, Highland 43 R Valley 61, Pleasant 52 I am surprised by the Ontario loss. Upper was 3-20 last year and 0-2 to start the season. From an elite program under Balogh to this. The Pleasant R Valley score was closer than I expected. Ontario is in a very bad place due to their parents and now have to ride out this hurricane until the ship is corrected with someone who knows what to do. But former Shelby guy fanofthegame is a supporter of this disaster.
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Post by mrsteel on Dec 9, 2023 22:37:36 GMT -5
Ontario is in a very bad place due to their parents and now have to ride out this hurricane until the ship is corrected with someone who knows what to do. But former Shelby guy fanofthegame is a supporter of this disaster. clueless board and admin allowed parental issues.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 10, 2023 12:21:20 GMT -5
Shelby went up 16-0 real quick on Galion thanks to a successful press defense early on. After that, Shelby was rotating in bench guys with some regularity. The starters, besides DeVito, were pulled for the fourth quarter after Lantz finished an alley oop late in the 3rd. I think it was five dunks for Shelby yesterday, maybe six.
#12 for Galion (is that Kent?) is a fun player to watch, I thought his shooting stroke was very smooth.
Next week will be a big one for Shelby. A home contest with Highland on Friday, and then they travel to Lima Senior to take on Ottawa-Glandorf. Probably the highest caliber non-league game Shelby has ever signed onto.
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Post by dude on Dec 10, 2023 12:53:13 GMT -5
I am surprised by the Ontario loss. Upper was 3-20 last year and 0-2 to start the season. From an elite program under Balogh to this. The Pleasant R Valley score was closer than I expected. I had figured this would be Ontario's first win. I've heard some people who have seen them, claim they may win 6 games this year and counted on the US game as one of them. If winning 13 games last year wasn't enough for the coach to keep his job, will this guy have to win at least 14 to get a second year?
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Post by lozenger4 on Dec 10, 2023 13:40:52 GMT -5
I am surprised by the Ontario loss. Upper was 3-20 last year and 0-2 to start the season. From an elite program under Balogh to this. The Pleasant R Valley score was closer than I expected. I had figured this would be Ontario's first win. I've heard some people who have seen them, claim they may win 6 games this year and counted on the US game as one of them. If winning 13 games last year wasn't enough for the coach to keep his job, will this guy have to win at least 14 to get a second year? Play the upperclassmen so that parents are happy? I’m guessing the admin knew this would be a tough year. Can’t imagine letting anyone go after just one season, especially with multiple recent changes.
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Post by 419bossman on Dec 10, 2023 14:03:01 GMT -5
Games for the Week of 12/11-12/16
Tuesday December 12th Galion at Bellevue Mt. Gilead at Highland Pleasant at Northmor River Valley at Jonathan Alder
Friday December 15th Clear Fork at Pleasant Galion at Ontario Highland at Shelby River Valley at Harding
Saturday December 16th Norwalk at Ontario Ottawa-Glandorf vs. Shelby at the Coach Q Classic, Lima Sr. HS
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 10, 2023 16:51:24 GMT -5
If Ontario successfully pivots to being a football school even after Miller graduates, that could help the bleeding sentiment going on with hoops? But that would be like asking Shelby folk to tolerate a sustained drop in football while maintaining success in basketball, it just doesn't operate that way over here. Hard to dust off the Balogh empire in a few short years.
The MOAC could shuffle a bit soon enough. Shelby has lucked out recently with getting some of our best program players back-to-back with the Lantz brothers, Pugh, and Bruskotter; but I don't see a clear path to regular 17-20 win seasons stemming from pure talent going forward. Our coaching ought to be good enough to maintain program dignity though.
River Valley could be the same situation as far as I know. Marion Harding a bit of the same.
Parental interference or not, I trust Ontario to step up more quickly than other MOAC teams to deal with that void. Being the 2nd biggest team in the league has its benefits, after all.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 10, 2023 18:09:01 GMT -5
Marion Harding 63, Highland 43 R Valley 61, Pleasant 52 I am surprised by the Ontario loss. Upper was 3-20 last year and 0-2 to start the season. From an elite program under Balogh to this. The Pleasant R Valley score was closer than I expected. Ontario is in a very bad place due to their parents and now have to ride out this hurricane until the ship is corrected with someone who knows what to do. But former Shelby guy fanofthegame is a supporter of this disaster. Let’s clarify something. I said he’s a good guy who definitely knows basketball. I’ve played pickup with him and he’s not a guy who takes over a game purely with his talent which he could against almost anyone in the area he plays against. He plays good solid ball hitting open teammates, playing solid defense, rebounding, etc. With that knowledge I said he wasn’t a bad hire. I’ve never seen him coach. Knowing the game is part of coaching. Check. Being passionate about the game is part of coaching. Check. Being able to convey that and get buy in from a group of 14-18 year olds is also part of coaching. Since this is his first attempt it’s obviously an unknown. I might give the guy more than one offseason and 2-3 games, but what do I know. I also don’t think he is responsible for the mess in Ontario. He just might have been dumb thinking he could change things.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Dec 10, 2023 18:41:32 GMT -5
If the guy is truly implementing bad schemes or has no connection to the players, I can buy that it's a bad coach. But who the heck knows until you get any sort of year-to-year knowledge growth from understanding where the options and cuts are supposed to happen on offense. I spent a lot of my JV career figuring out how I was supposed to play based on how my varsity teammates approached the same lessons I was given. And if we are talking bad parents, there's a chance they aren't exactly the best advocates in the household for towing the line and being a selfless, team-oriented style. The defense is concerning since that's generally an effort/passion matter in the halfcourt.
A sidenote about coaching, I am curious about how undervalued conditioning is treated when we talk about these topics. One reason why the Shelby boys' track program racked up so many successful seasons over the past 20+ years is due to excellent programming on both the sprints/distance coaches behalf. When I was running track for Shelby, Dave Downs had every practice's intensity broken down to the percentile in terms of intensity, recovery, and variation of distances ran. On a year-to-year basis, you could count on a given workout being ran at the same point in each season, especially the dreadful ones. The boys' track program rightfully has the sole distinction of needing a second banner to display league titles in Shelby's gym. This isn't to say you can't get some value from making the basketball team run a certain set of suicides or jump-squats on the regular, but if certain track coaches are woefully deficient in this planning, I could see basketball coaches being exposed to the same shortfalls. I know the former Shelby football coach, Chris Solis, had some critiques on this end. I don't think he ran a bad program, he had quite a few good seasons for Shelby after inheriting a weak program, but it was relayed to me that he wasn't excellent in the conditioning aspect, especially when it came to late season fatigue.
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Post by dude on Dec 11, 2023 5:46:15 GMT -5
I had figured this would be Ontario's first win. I've heard some people who have seen them, claim they may win 6 games this year and counted on the US game as one of them. If winning 13 games last year wasn't enough for the coach to keep his job, will this guy have to win at least 14 to get a second year? Play the upperclassmen so that parents are happy? I’m guessing the admin knew this would be a tough year. Can’t imagine letting anyone go after just one season, especially with multiple recent changes. The parents are not happy at 0-3. It would probably be a weak guess since none of the admins have basketball history. the previous guy wanted to stay and had increased his record by 50% from his first year. Letting him go would be admitting a poor hire.
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Post by dude on Dec 11, 2023 5:57:29 GMT -5
He just might have been dumb thinking he could change things. Just yanking your chain. Check Trying to change things and giving into them are two different things. The previous coach was changing things. The current coach is giving into them. Just because someone enjoys mowing their lawn and is good at it, doesn't make them a candidate for head grounds keeper at Westbrook. I can't imagine a hospital hiring a lead surgeon who had never performed surgery. Usually, experience does matter.
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Post by 4 on Dec 12, 2023 11:24:38 GMT -5
Any livestreams for any of tonight’s games?
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 12, 2023 13:05:52 GMT -5
He just might have been dumb thinking he could change things. Just yanking your chain. Check Trying to change things and giving into them are two different things. The previous coach was changing things. The current coach is giving into them. Just because someone enjoys mowing their lawn and is good at it, doesn't make them a candidate for head grounds keeper at Westbrook. I can't imagine a hospital hiring a lead surgeon who had never performed surgery. Usually, experience does matter. Jeff Saturday got named the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts with three years of high school coaching experience. I’m guessing his time as a player enhanced his resume. Maybe college and some time playing in Europe enhanced Moton’s resume. It’s not unprecedented.
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Post by bkjunkie on Dec 12, 2023 14:12:45 GMT -5
Just yanking your chain. Check Trying to change things and giving into them are two different things. The previous coach was changing things. The current coach is giving into them. Just because someone enjoys mowing their lawn and is good at it, doesn't make them a candidate for head grounds keeper at Westbrook. I can't imagine a hospital hiring a lead surgeon who had never performed surgery. Usually, experience does matter. Jeff Saturday got named the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts with three years of high school coaching experience. I’m guessing his time as a player enhanced his resume. Maybe college and some time playing in Europe enhanced Moton’s resume. It’s not unprecedented. Jeff Saturday went 1-7 with the Colts. Coaching is a learned skill
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2023 14:19:02 GMT -5
Just yanking your chain. Check Trying to change things and giving into them are two different things. The previous coach was changing things. The current coach is giving into them. Just because someone enjoys mowing their lawn and is good at it, doesn't make them a candidate for head grounds keeper at Westbrook. I can't imagine a hospital hiring a lead surgeon who had never performed surgery. Usually, experience does matter. Jeff Saturday got named the head coach of the Indianapolis Colts with three years of high school coaching experience. I’m guessing his time as a player enhanced his resume. Maybe college and some time playing in Europe enhanced Moton’s resume. It’s not unprecedented. Excellent example. Tell us how that turned out.
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Post by fanofthegame on Dec 12, 2023 14:19:24 GMT -5
I’m not advocating hiring someone with no experience. I’m just saying it’s not unprecedented and at way higher levels than Ontario.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Dec 12, 2023 15:00:09 GMT -5
I believe Ontario better give Moton a chance, at least 2-3 season to get his program in order. They did not do that with Mergel. While I never call the previous coach the 2nd coming of Joe Balogh or Gregg Collins he deserved more of a chance than he had. As I stated last spring when they let him go. What games on the schedule were they supposed to win with the talent Ontario had. If Ontario keeps letting coaches go every 1-2 years. They may turn into a very mediocre program really quick or worse.
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Post by dude on Dec 12, 2023 15:11:47 GMT -5
I’m not advocating hiring someone with no experience. I’m just saying it’s not unprecedented and at way higher levels than Ontario. Very few bad actions are unprecedented in some comparable way, but that doesn’t make it a good move. As you were trying to say this was. Time will tell.
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