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Post by galion on Sept 13, 2017 18:24:47 GMT -5
Lucas is no cupcake, ask Centerberg, and their defense did just fine against them.
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Post by stanley on Sept 13, 2017 19:12:47 GMT -5
You are NOT wrong about that. Be fun to see how it all plays out this season.
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Post by mg on Sept 15, 2017 7:17:09 GMT -5
Tonight's Highland/Danville game will probably decide who is Leagues first champ. Long season, but these 2 are the front runners going into Week 1 of the KMAC conference season. I see Northmor and East Knox also causing trouble with those 2, but think Highland/Danville just that much better and deeper than them.
Also, Kmacsports.org has the first individual stat leaders up. Harder to find on main page than the old MOAC page, but you have to hit he link "individual leaders"
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Post by mg on Sept 15, 2017 15:47:00 GMT -5
There's a pretty cool app. Called ScoreStream, once you put your team in it will give score updates of all the local games in a fairly up to minute times. It's scores are updated by verified users at the games. found it a few weeks ago looking for live in game scores. No affiliations with it, just thought it was cool for local HS sports. Does all sports not just football too.
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Post by Waterboy on Sept 16, 2017 6:37:21 GMT -5
The Highland/Danville game ended up not being a game at all. Highland completely dominated forcing many turnovers and controlling the ball. This win puts Highland in the drivers seat for the KMAC though as mentioned East Knox and Northmor are starting to look like some tough competition.
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Post by stanley on Sept 17, 2017 9:47:59 GMT -5
First shutout pitched against Danville since 2010. Impressive. Must make the rest of the KMACs offenses really excited to play against Highlands defense.
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Post by galion on Sept 17, 2017 10:01:59 GMT -5
With a potential week 10 match up between a 9-0 Northmor team and an 8-1 Highland team looming for the conference title, one question has to be asked. Does Highland need to win out to make the playoffs? When Galion was in a similar position at 8-2 in the now defunct NCC they were left sitting at home.
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Post by wallacefan on Sept 17, 2017 10:28:34 GMT -5
With a potential week 10 match up between a 9-0 Northmor team and an 8-1 Highland team looming for the conference title, one question has to be asked. Does Highland need to win out to make the playoffs? When Galion was in a similar position at 8-2 in the now defunct NCC they were left sitting at home. You are assuming that Northmor will go down to Danville next week and win. There is no guarantee of that. That said, no one in the KMAC will stay within 3-4 TDs of Highland. They will dominate this conference now and into the future if you have seen their younger grades as well as I have. As for the playoffs, Drew Pasteur has them as getting in, even at 8-2. Road game, but in.
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Post by galion on Sept 17, 2017 11:09:10 GMT -5
They had better pray that road game is not at Shelby.
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Post by stanley on Sept 17, 2017 12:26:08 GMT -5
They had better pray that road game is not at Shelby. Playing at Shelby Week 11 is still a better scenario than turning in your equipment in week 11, like most schools will be doing.
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Post by stanley on Sept 17, 2017 12:27:06 GMT -5
Not to mention they will probably win out and have a home game. And no Northmors one man offense is not better than Danvilles legitimate offense.
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Post by pirate80 on Sept 17, 2017 15:06:52 GMT -5
With a potential week 10 match up between a 9-0 Northmor team and an 8-1 Highland team looming for the conference title, one question has to be asked. Does Highland need to win out to make the playoffs? When Galion was in a similar position at 8-2 in the now defunct NCC they were left sitting at home. You are assuming that Northmor will go down to Danville next week and win. There is no guarantee of that. That said, no one in the KMAC will stay within 3-4 TDs of Highland. They will dominate this conference now and into the future if you have seen their younger grades as well as I have. As for the playoffs, Drew Pasteur has them as getting in, even at 8-2. Road game, but in. Highland will likely win this new league often as the lone DIV with a bunch of V,VI, and VII teams. However, not sure what ya meant about their younger grades dominating. But if you're talking about their youth program, they've not been special over the past couple years. What makes Highland so good at varsity is depth. They have tremendous depth compared to the other 7 schools in this league. The other teams need to increase numbers to consistently compete with Highland. They play a physical brand of offense and if your same eleven play both ways they wear you down. That my friends will be the key for the other schools to take down Highland. Depth.
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Post by stanley on Sept 17, 2017 15:38:16 GMT -5
Not Highlands fault that they continue to grow while surrounding schools continue to shrink. Love the constant excuse of them taking the league due to being a DIV. That's the Cardington attitude though, if you can't beat em, make excuses. That's why the Pirates will continue to be mediocre at best.
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 17, 2017 16:39:48 GMT -5
Know it's still early, but Drew Pasteur has tabbed three teams from KMAC to make the play-offs. Highland at 5 in Reg 14 D4, Northmor at 3 in Reg 23 D6 and Danville at 1 in Reg 27 D7.
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Post by mg on Sept 17, 2017 20:27:12 GMT -5
Highland will need to win out for a chance of playoffs and hope RV and Ontario start winning. We all know how it works. Highland will get some decent points if they beat East Knox and Northmor albeit "smaller" division points, which other teams in division IV are playing D4 and D3 teams. That's why they need RV and Ontario to win. But getting very little points from MG, Centerburg, Cardington, fredericktown won't help their cause.
Danville even though they lost, is in the best position "playoff wise" in this new division. Every school they play are larger, getting nice 1st level points from bigger divisions. My guess they go even 8-2 in division they will top 3 seed for playoffs. Not that Danville "needs" any help for playoffs as they are regular in the post season.
So yes, highland may win the conference more often, they are in the position of having to win their non-conference games and run the table in the league for a chance for post season.
Mid 90s we, MG, beat the crap out of highland, it was fun, and of course we were MG, the bigger school in the county at the time. Yes, times have change and now it's highland, but I wouldn't want to change the conference and not have highland in it, county rival for years, etc.
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 17, 2017 20:48:57 GMT -5
^^^ Drew projects all three teams to finish 8-2.
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Post by pirate80 on Sept 17, 2017 21:31:19 GMT -5
Not Highlands fault that they continue to grow while surrounding schools continue to shrink. Love the constant excuse of them taking the league due to being a DIV. That's the Cardington attitude though, if you can't beat em, make excuses. That's why the Pirates will continue to be mediocre at best. Never said it was Highland's fault. They are our second biggest rival. I absolutely want them on the schedule. The reasoning that they have been superior to the other three Morrow County teams isn't an excuse. It's a fact that their depth helps them tremendously. They don't have better athletes at Highland they have more athletes at Highland. That's all I was saying and I'll stick to it. My recipe for dethroning Highland on a consistent basis by matching their depth is what the small schools need to achieve to consistently knock them down. "That's the Cardington attitude though, make excuses." Lol, I didn't make any excuses. All I did was state the obvious about depth. That's why smaller schools can compete with Highland in basketball but have more of a struggle in football. Like how DIV Cardington swept DII Highland last year. And the Pirates did knock off Highland two years ago on the gridiron as well. So much for "can't beat 'em". By the way....when Highland isn't playing DV schools or smaller....they also become very mediocre....."at best". 🤔
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Post by stanley on Sept 18, 2017 10:50:33 GMT -5
They schedule themselves playoff quality DIV teams in Non league and often times compete and in recent history have came out on the L side more often then the W side that is true. Competing with that level of football is not "mediocre" at best however. I'm glad you mentioned 2015 as an example of how Cardington IS able to beat Highland, now let me mention '16, '14, '13 (6 minute second half quarters kneeing every down in the 4th quarter and a running clock with Highlands JVs in since the second quarter and still found a way to surrender 74 points and still whined like ballbabies and played the victim card afterwards), '12, '10, '09, '08, '07, '06, '05, '04, '03. Need me to continue? And every single one of those it was always something. Some kind of excuse. Rather it be the officiating that Highland gets at home games, or if the Knauber boy was healthy Cardington would have won, and now the sizes are so distinct the dingers just stick the size in numbers excuse. Or if an excuse can't be thought up than everyone just whines about how the Highland bullies "ran up the score." The reason Highland has more depth than Cardington is because Highland has actually been relevant in the past decade. You don't get interest without at least being relevant.
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Post by pirate80 on Sept 18, 2017 14:33:06 GMT -5
They schedule themselves playoff quality DIV teams in Non league and often times compete and in recent history have came out on the L side more often then the W side that is true. Competing with that level of football is not "mediocre" at best however. I'm glad you mentioned 2015 as an example of how Cardington IS able to beat Highland, now let me mention '16, '14, '13 (6 minute second half quarters kneeing every down in the 4th quarter and a running clock with Highlands JVs in since the second quarter and still found a way to surrender 74 points and still whined like ballbabies and played the victim card afterwards), '12, '10, '09, '08, '07, '06, '05, '04, '03. Need me to continue? And every single one of those it was always something. Some kind of excuse. Rather it be the officiating that Highland gets at home games, or if the Knauber boy was healthy Cardington would have won, and now the sizes are so distinct the dingers just stick the size in numbers excuse. Or if an excuse can't be thought up than everyone just whines about how the Highland bullies "ran up the score." The reason Highland has more depth than Cardington is because Highland has actually been relevant in the past decade. You don't get interest without at least being relevant. No excuses from me. '03 was my senior night and broke my heart!!! Crediting their superior depth is not making excuses. The vast majority of those games were not blowouts. Carpenter has taken that program to another notch with depth. I'm not convinced that Sparta and Marengo have superior athletes, but they get more of them to go out for football. Sustained success like they've had would absolutely help the other schools improve their numbers. My beef with Highland is their arrogance. But the only way to prevent that is to beat them. Cardington has only done that three times since 2000. And Highland absolutely does run up the score on Cardington when they can. And I don't like it....but it's a rivalry game and I'd absolutely do the same thing in that spot. We just haven't been in that spot in a long, long time. Kudos to Highland for their dominance. But they act like they should get some special credit for dominating schools that are significantly smaller than them.
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Post by stanley on Sept 18, 2017 15:33:28 GMT -5
Their arrogance isn't literally due to dominating smaller schools, it's due to dominating the county and me and you both know that. When Highland began their little Morrow County takeover in the mid 2000s they were not the biggest in the county. They became the best, and then after that they became the biggest. At the current time it does so happen to be that dominating the county means dominating smaller schools that is correct. Folks from the other 3 want to dis on Highland and call them a "big fish in a small pond," but then turn around and say they want to continue that county rivalry. Which one do you want? I think it's easier for everyone if Highland stays because at least with Highland everyone can say "well we can't win the KMAC, when we got DIV Highland in it." If Highland ever leaves nobody is gonna have that safety net to excuse why they still can't win the league.
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 18, 2017 16:06:37 GMT -5
Going back to 2004, that was the only year Highland has not been the biggest school in Morrow county. That year they were, along with Mt. Gilead, a division 4 school. Since then they have been the only division 4 school in Morrow county as the others have slipped to 5, 6 and even 7.
When Highland began their little Morrow County takeover in the mid 2000s they were not the biggest in the county. They became the best, and then after that they became the biggest.
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Post by stanley on Sept 18, 2017 16:52:49 GMT -5
Only in 2004? So in the 90s when Highland was D5 they were still the biggest? Interesting. Ok everyone I'm totally wrong the only reason Highland smacks the county around is because of size in numbers. Makes me wonder how Highland was ever able to win the MOAC red division when Buckeye Valley was D3. Makes me wonder how Buckeye Valley didn't win the red every single year? Makes me wonder why Harding has yet to win the MOAC? How did Pleasant ever win the MOAC blue back when they were in it with Mount Gilead who was bigger at the time? Here's the best question? What would the excuse be for everyone if Highland was not in the league? Probably accuse Danville of some form of cheating. That's what everyone used to say about Pleasant.
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Post by stanley on Sept 18, 2017 18:34:04 GMT -5
Pirate80 if 2003 was your senior night than you know a thing or two about Cardington teams getting out coached and out worked by Highland teams 😂😂😂 I'm sure it was because of size though lol
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Post by pirate80 on Sept 18, 2017 19:38:02 GMT -5
Pirate80 if 2003 was your senior night than you know a thing or two about Cardington teams getting out coached and out worked by Highland teams 😂😂😂 I'm sure it was because of size though lol That's kind of a low blow. That night still haunts me and that is not an exaggeration. We weren't outcoached or out worked that night. They scored to take the lead with about 25 secs left. There have been instances since then where Cardington I guess was outcoached. But the majority of the games have been competitive. Like I stated in my original post, Highland dominates because of their superior depth. To your point....before they had that depth, they didn't dominate. I loathe the Highland Scots. But they go out and earn it. They are absolutely aided by superior depth. But that is a problem for other coaches to worry about. Highland owes no explanation for that. I also never said Highland shouldn't be in this league. It would be criminal for them to not play Cardington, Fredericktown, and Centerburg. I love the new KMAC. But their accomplishments aren't special. Simply....they SHOULD win the vast majority of the titles in football. That's not a dig at them, it's just the truth. Simply my Pirates haven't gotten it done enough Vs the Other Rival. Hopefully that begins to change.
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 18, 2017 21:10:02 GMT -5
Only in 2004? So in the 90s when Highland was D5 they were still the biggest? ... Per OHSAA: each year 1990 through 1999 Highland was either a division 4 or in two years a division 3 school. Other schools in Morrow county may have been in the same division in some of those years, but there was never a Morrow county school bigger division wise than Highland in any of those years.
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Post by stanley on Sept 19, 2017 8:37:22 GMT -5
Ok I stand corrected on the DIV deal, your right. But you literally just said that other schools in the county were DIV as well. So again the separation in size hasn't started to occur since the mid 2000s. That part still isn't wrong. And it still isn't wrong that the reason Highland is consistently better than Cardington due to work ethic from players and coaches alike. Highland is consistently a more physical team. Highland is consistently faster ESPECIALLY in the trenches. Highland is consistently a hell of a lot more disciplined. Highland is consistently better coached. And also you can add Highland usually does have more depth, but perhaps that's because they have guys coaching ALL the kids and developing them all and not just the good ones.
USA70pp- all those years under Kubbs, Pleasant dominated the Blue Division. Mount Gilead was a bigger school for the majority of these years? How could this be?
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Post by pirate80 on Sept 19, 2017 10:36:42 GMT -5
Ok I stand corrected on the DIV deal, your right. But you literally just said that other schools in the county were DIV as well. So again the separation in size hasn't started to occur since the mid 2000s. That part still isn't wrong. And it still isn't wrong that the reason Highland is consistently better than Cardington due to work ethic from players and coaches alike. Highland is consistently a more physical team. Highland is consistently faster ESPECIALLY in the trenches. Highland is consistently a hell of a lot more disciplined. Highland is consistently better coached. And also you can add Highland usually does have more depth, but perhaps that's because they have guys coaching ALL the kids and developing them all and not just the good ones. USA70pp- all those years under Kubbs, Pleasant dominated the Blue Division. Mount Gilead was a bigger school for the majority of these years? How could this be? We'll just have to agree to disagree. Especially on discipline. They've been known to play dirty. They tend to be bigger and stronger and have more depth. I don't think your coaching is special. If it were, they'd have something to show for it when they play like sized schools come week 11 and beyond. I credit them for being the only Morrow County school to ever reach that level. But most times they've made it there on the back of small schools. Which is fine. We relish the Highland game. Wish we were more successful, haven't been for a long time. Kudos. Pleasant was far superior to MG in talent, coaching, and depth. That's why they have state championships and deep runs to show for it. They have reason to be cocky over there. In the old MOAC though it was the Red teams that played dirty specifically Highland, NU, and Elgin. But that was a long, long time ago. 😀
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Post by stanley on Sept 19, 2017 10:54:37 GMT -5
If Highland coaching isn't very good because they are 2-6 in the playoffs, then what does that make Cardingtons coaching who hasn't even made an appearance? lol a Cardington folk accusing other schools of being dirty now that is hilarious. That's usually the Cardington halftime adjustment. "Well we're not winning this one boys, so let's start taking the cheap shots." You Pirates keep on having fun explaining why Highlands not very good team and not very good coaches are playing in Week 11.....while your just so incredibly awesome players and coaches are turning equipment in on Week 11. Also, yeah Highland is more discipline....ya know like not doing things like fumbling in the other teams red zone with very little time left, but just enough to let the opponents win with :25 to go.
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Post by stanley on Sept 19, 2017 11:10:09 GMT -5
To beat Highland you must outwork Highland. It's that simple, end of story. The last time a county team outworked Highland was Cardington in 2015....and look what happened. You must outwork your oppenent to beat your oppenent. Are there instances where you outwork your oppenent and you still fall short because they outbeasted you? Sure! But you just said yourself that the kids in marengo and Sparta are not anymore talented than those in Cardington. So it must be work ethic. Depth doesn't magically happen, it takes work. You are a Cardington grad, I'm just happy that you are able to read and write so I totally understand and will not give you any more grief on not understanding why Cardington is more times than not a chance for Highland to show their varsity, JV, and freshman teams in one Friday night.
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Post by stanley on Sept 19, 2017 11:25:02 GMT -5
Mount Gilead vs Fredericktown is the battle for second place in the KMAC!!!!! I thought perhaps it would be Danville vs Northmor, but than I realized that Highland is DIV so their the champs and then Mount Gilead and Fredericktown are the only two DVs. So winner of the Indian and Freddy game is definitely taking home the silver!!!
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