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Post by kingmartinez on Aug 31, 2017 18:26:15 GMT -5
Another phase is complete with Hopewell officially joining the SBC so who is next? Woodmore? Seneca East? Mohawk? Carey? Northwood? Elmwood? Some of these schools would border on being in the Bay Division which probably changes their interest level unless the SBC looks to stay at 10-12 schools in the River Division.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 31, 2017 21:01:01 GMT -5
With 10-12 schools why in the heck would you want to play in a division?
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Post by kingmartinez on Aug 31, 2017 21:10:14 GMT -5
Division doesn't mean what it did before the mega-conference idea was born. Division is not any different than conference or league to the schools and kids in them. The winner of the Bay Division will be calling themselves SBC Champs and so will the River and Lake winners. And, I promise you will see that represented as such on the banners in their gyms.
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Post by wallacefan on Aug 31, 2017 21:29:27 GMT -5
Another phase is complete with Hopewell officially joining the SBC so who is next? Woodmore? Seneca East? Mohawk? Carey? Northwood? Elmwood? Some of these schools would border on being in the Bay Division which probably changes their interest level unless the SBC looks to stay at 10-12 schools in the River Division. Short answer: NONE. 1. None of those schools would even remotely consider going into the Bay. Too small and not growing. 2. Which means those schools would go into the River Division, which already has 8 football schools and 10 overall. Which is perfect if you ask the River Divison people. 3. Haven't heard that any of those schools are going anywhere right away. 4. To me, the more likely scenario is the River Divison leaving to start their own conference, and/or Willard leaving to the Northern 10 if they can convince the N10 to take them.
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Post by greenman on Aug 31, 2017 22:37:19 GMT -5
Another phase is complete with Hopewell officially joining the SBC so who is next? Woodmore? Seneca East? Mohawk? Carey? Northwood? Elmwood? Some of these schools would border on being in the Bay Division which probably changes their interest level unless the SBC looks to stay at 10-12 schools in the River Division. As it has been postulated on another thread in another topic, the FC will be gently folded into the mega-ultra-conference in its entirety, and will stand alone as its own division. The masterminds of this move only need to choose between two possible names for the division: Spilled Beverage or Wet Sneeze.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 7, 2017 8:23:14 GMT -5
the River Division, which already has 8 football schools and 10 overall Isn't it 8 football and 9 overall? (with Margaretta being in the Bay for the other sports)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2017 12:32:59 GMT -5
the River Division, which already has 8 football schools and 10 overall Isn't it 8 football and 9 overall? (with Margaretta being in the Bay for the other sports) Old Fort and New Reigel
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 7, 2017 15:17:23 GMT -5
Yes, add NR and OF, and subtract Margaretta and it goes from 8 to 9.
Football: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (6) Bay - Edison, Huron, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (8) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Hopewell-Loudon Lakota, Margaretta, SJCC, SMCC
Other Sports: (6) Lake - Bellevue, Clyde, Columbian, Norwalk, Perkins, Sandusky (7) Bay - Edison, Huron, Margaretta, Oak Harbor, Port Clinton, Vermilion, Willard (9) River - Calvert, Danbury, Gibsonburg, Hopewell-Loudon, Lakota, New Riegel, Old Fort, SJCC, SMCC
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Post by 2112 on Sept 8, 2017 7:35:56 GMT -5
Another phase is complete with Hopewell officially joining the SBC so who is next? Woodmore? Seneca East? Mohawk? Carey? Northwood? Elmwood? Some of these schools would border on being in the Bay Division which probably changes their interest level unless the SBC looks to stay at 10-12 schools in the River Division. Woodmore will come with Genoa. Se, Mohawk & Carey will come as a group. Eventually Firelands will come. Not sure which will be first. Northwood & Elmwood will not come.
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Post by bigox on Sept 8, 2017 12:07:17 GMT -5
No way Mohawk and Carey leave the n10 to return to playing the river division of the sbc. They ran away from them when they were part of the MAL. Seneca East is a stretch as well. None of these three want to exchange their 25-40 minute bus rides and better competition to play teams they didn't want to play in the old MAL. But good on ya for trying to stir the pot 😎😎
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 8, 2017 18:25:11 GMT -5
Another phase is complete with Hopewell officially joining the SBC so who is next? Woodmore? Seneca East? Mohawk? Carey? Northwood? Elmwood? Some of these schools would border on being in the Bay Division which probably changes their interest level unless the SBC looks to stay at 10-12 schools in the River Division. Woodmore will come with Genoa. Se, Mohawk & Carey will come as a group. Eventually Firelands will come. Not sure which will be first. Northwood & Elmwood will not come. The SBC is not a "Field of Dreams". Just because they built it does not mean everybody will come.
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Post by 2112 on Sept 8, 2017 19:21:12 GMT -5
Woodmore will come with Genoa. Se, Mohawk & Carey will come as a group. Eventually Firelands will come. Not sure which will be first. Northwood & Elmwood will not come. The SBC is not a "Field of Dreams". Just because they built it does not mean everybody will come. Right. As in Northwood and Elmwood. Like I said. Do the research.
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Post by bsports on Sept 8, 2017 21:24:09 GMT -5
So a whole 6 teams in the Lake next year. Does Bellevue have to go to Cinci to pick up another game? Maybe go out of state? This new conference crap is doing a great job removing the fans from the game. Five other teams in the conference and no one wants to stomach going to Perkins or Clyde. Guess I'll keep the remote in my hand...
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Post by gridiron58 on Sept 8, 2017 21:33:59 GMT -5
So a whole 6 teams in the Lake next year. Does Bellevue have to go to Cinci to pick up another game? Maybe go out of state? This new conference crap is doing a great job removing the fans from the game. Five other teams in the conference and no one wants to stomach going to Perkins or Clyde. Guess I'll keep the remote in my hand... So schools don't want to play larger schools? Wow, that is a surprise! Kind of like Clyde and Perkins rejecting Ross's application to the SBC.
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Post by greenman on Sept 8, 2017 22:55:38 GMT -5
So a whole 6 teams in the Lake next year. Does Bellevue have to go to Cinci to pick up another game? Maybe go out of state? This new conference crap is doing a great job removing the fans from the game. Five other teams in the conference and no one wants to stomach going to Perkins or Clyde. Guess I'll keep the remote in my hand... Actually, it looks like trips to the Campbell St. gridiron (or FRMC Stadium, as they call it now) will be pretty profitable for anyone this year, and will be for the foreseeable future after that. Get there and get an easy W before PHS can again lure someone who possesses great qualities of leadership and football competence. While Ziegler is there, however, enjoy yourself.
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Post by chs71 on Sept 14, 2017 6:22:53 GMT -5
The new SBC has helped the Sandusky River League, Margaretta and St,.Mary's. It hasn't done much of anything to help the NOL schools or the bigger SBC schools. If the league can add 2 more schools they can get to divisions of 7, 7, and 8. With one mandatory crossover game, you only need to find 3 non-league games instead of 5. And that's much better. So ...
Fremont Ross - Too big, but they are right there.
Maumee - Same size as Clyde and they are unhappy in the NLL. They have asked about joining the NBC, but those schools are all much smaller and said no. The problem is travel. They sit right in the middle of the NLL. Their longest league road trip is Napoleon 30 miles, Bowling Green is the second longest at 14 miles. The nearest Lake Division school is Clyde, 41 miles away. Time, fuel, driver, money.
Upper Sandusky - Same size as Huron and by far the largest school in the N10. So why would they leave?
Fostoria - They would fit right in the middle of the Bay Division. Fostoria is the farthest away from the rest of the NBC schools, but they are the largest school in their league and struggle to compete. They're not leaving to play an even tougher schedule.
Elmwood & Woodmore - They voted against adding Fostoria and Rossford to the SLL and do not like being the smallest schools in the NBC. The problem is size. With 152 and 144 boys they bracket Lakota. Elmwood would be the smallest school in the Bay Division, a worse situation than they have now. Woodmore would bump Lakota up the the Bay Division, which would make Woodmore the biggest school in the River, greatly improving their situation. But Woodmore only has two fewer boys than Lakota, so maybe next time Woodmore is in the Bay Division. Again worse than being the small school in the NBC.
Seneca-East - They are the farthest north of the schools in the N10. The same size as Margaretta, joining would bump Lakota up to the Bay Div.
Mohawk - A little smaller than S-E. I don't know why they would want to switch, but maybe.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 14, 2017 14:31:37 GMT -5
The week 4 & 5 scheduling scenarios will be simpler when the River division goes to 8 teams and gets eliminateed from the OOC eqation for those 2 weeks
Once that happens the Bay and Lake schools will have the following options for week 4 and 5 games: 1) play a crossover against the other division 2) play a Toledo City League team (all 6 of which are also playing OOC games those weeks) 3) play some other school from however far away that happens to have one of those weeks open
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Post by Highlander29 on Sept 15, 2017 20:26:11 GMT -5
As the Firelands conference is the most stable after all these years, it might be time for St.Paul to make that move. Gotta be boring and not challenging enough to cake walk each year in football. Doesn't prep them anymore for playoffs. Heck tonight alone, up 56-0 at the half on the road in their FC opener.
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Post by greenman on Sept 15, 2017 23:34:10 GMT -5
As the Firelands conference is the most stable after all these years, it might be time for St.Paul to make that move. Gotta be boring and not challenging enough to cake walk each year in football. Doesn't prep them anymore for playoffs. Heck tonight alone, up 56-0 at the half on the road in their FC opener. That will never, ever happen, especially if we're talking about St. Paul. The history and tradition there is far too important for most of those teams - Plymouth, Crestview, and Mapleton have the least history in the conference, but the distance would be a non-starter for them, at least. As for St. Paul, they will never want to be in a conference without Monroeville, and will never settle for playing them on any other week than 10, to say nothing of not playing them at all. Vice-versa applies. More tellingly, I feel, neither the coaching staff nor the community want the challenge. My mother could tell you so with more authority than I could, but I feel I know enough to say that without second-guessing. Before they won the week 10 game last year at M'ville, they were very unhappy at the thought of the Eagles, of all teams, threatening their crown. Years ago, on the old forum, we discussed - and eventually dismissed - the possibility of Western jumping to the SBC. It's more unlikely now than it was then. Having been around FC fans for a while now, between my Flyer alumna mom and working at M'ville schools, I think I might "get" some of their mindset: not a lot of attention is paid to the world outside when it's gametime. For example, Monroeville and Perkins have always been nextdoor neighbors. Once upon a time, Perkins was a farm school like M'ville. These days, Monroeville kids know some Perkins kids, and go into Perkins Twp. for the same reasons lots of people go there - shopping, dining, etc. However, to the majority of the Perkins schools population, Monroeville (the village and the school) could be as foreign as the surface of the moon. FC fans watch the new SBC take shape, but don't put too much stock into it for themselves. For them, it's never been about growing the brand into a larger area; they don't need to win the non-con games, as long as they can beat on each other.
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Post by kingmartinez on Sept 16, 2017 7:08:33 GMT -5
Unless a school like Seneca East (another neighbor) makes the move to the SBC then discussions about a fourth 6-team division (smaller schools) starts to take shape...could get interesting.
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Post by 2112 on Sept 16, 2017 19:21:48 GMT -5
Unless a school like Seneca East (another neighbor) makes the move to the SBC then discussions about a fourth 6-team division (smaller schools) starts to take shape...could get interesting. Some of you might have seen my recent post in the FC/N10 forum that described a scenario that could stabilize the whole area... the only things it's missing is that yearly Gibsonburg vs Gibsonburg matchup: Is this the first sign of an N10 implosion? Will Ridgedale's move taken together with the competitive imbalance Willard pointed out cause Mohawk & Seneca East jump to the SBC sooner rather than later? Maybe the SBC could help their own situation by absorbing the N10 when they bring in Ross, Genoa, Woodmore & Firelands... although this messes with the 5-county footprint some... Lake: Sandusky, Perkins, Norwalk, Clyde, Bellevue, TC, Upper, Ross (maybe Galion instead) Bay: PC, OH, Vermilion, Huron, Edison, Bucyrus, Genoa, Firelands River: Calvert, SJCC, SMCC, Danbury, Gibby, Margaretta, Woodmore, Lakota Creek: Buckeye Central, Carey, Colonel Crawford, Wynford, HL, Seneca East, Mohawk, Willard There you go... a nice tidy 8-8-8-8. Though I must admit that the River & Creek are more assigned geographically than strictly by size. And I don't know how enrollments stack up for Upper & Firelands (and Galion). Even so, this alignment would keep Willard & Margaretta in with smalls, pull the bigs out of the N10, keep Bay teams from having to move up to the Lake, tighten geography for the smalls, and stabilize the whole shebang. Everybody's happy. And of course we can make a nice, easy transition to 8-8-8-8-8 when the SBC folds in the FC en-masse as the Stream Division. ;-)
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2017 4:12:39 GMT -5
Unless a school like Seneca East (another neighbor) makes the move to the SBC then discussions about a fourth 6-team division (smaller schools) starts to take shape...could get interesting. Some of you might have seen my recent post in the FC/N10 forum that described a scenario that could stabilize the whole area... the only things it's missing is that yearly Gibsonburg vs Gibsonburg matchup: Maybe the SBC could help their own situation by absorbing the N10 when they bring in Ross, Genoa, Woodmore & Firelands... although this messes with the 5-county footprint some... Lake: Sandusky, Perkins, Norwalk, Clyde, Bellevue, TC, Upper, Ross (maybe Galion instead) Bay: PC, OH, Vermilion, Huron, Edison, Bucyrus, Genoa, Firelands River: Calvert, SJCC, SMCC, Danbury, Gibby, Margaretta, Woodmore, Lakota Creek: Buckeye Central, Carey, Colonel Crawford, Wynford, HL, Seneca East, Mohawk, Willard There you go... a nice tidy 8-8-8-8. Though I must admit that the River & Creek are more assigned geographically than strictly by size. And I don't know how enrollments stack up for Upper & Firelands (and Galion). Even so, this alignment would keep Willard & Margaretta in with smalls, pull the bigs out of the N10, keep Bay teams from having to move up to the Lake, tighten geography for the smalls, and stabilize the whole shebang. Everybody's happy. And of course we can make a nice, easy transition to 8-8-8-8-8 when the SBC folds in the FC en-masse as the Stream Division. ;-) I dunno, 2112. Taking away that Gibsonburg v. Gibsonburg matchup will leave some fans with a bad taste in their mouths. How can a River Div. championship really be decided w/out it, anyway?
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Post by Highlander29 on Sept 17, 2017 19:19:51 GMT -5
Greenman - I also don't see St.Paul doing this, but it would benefit them if they did. They could always schedule Monroeville every year non conference. Til the past two years, they whipped on the Eagles as they have everyone else. Since Ringholz (sorry if misspelled) retired the Eagles have fallen off and the games against the Flyers just not the same. Rivals by past seasons but not a rival type game.
Id like to see week 3 game with these two IF St.Paul did leave. Again we both know they wont, but again would be better off, in football and girls volleyball, to head towards the SBC. Other sports they probably would get smoked.
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Post by greenman on Sept 17, 2017 20:37:47 GMT -5
Greenman - I also don't see St.Paul doing this, but it would benefit them if they did. They could always schedule Monroeville every year non conference. Til the past two years, they whipped on the Eagles as they have everyone else. Since Ringholz (sorry if misspelled) retired the Eagles have fallen off and the games against the Flyers just not the same. Rivals by past seasons but not a rival type game. Id like to see week 3 game with these two IF St.Paul did leave. Again we both know they wont, but again would be better off, in football and girls volleyball, to head towards the SBC. Other sports they probably would get smoked. True it could benefit them by growing the program, but in my experience, that's not at all what St. Paul wants. Separating them from Monroeville as conference rivals would be akin (to them) to trying to make OSU-UM a non-conference game - neither side would have any of that. MHS and SP will always be FC archrivals, and neither school will have it any other way than to play each other Week 10. The tides of winning and losing between the two are actually quite meaningless. Separating them as conference rivals also means the possibility of not playing each other in some of the other sports they share - volleyball chief among these. Monroeville volleyball has not been sleeping lately. Totally unacceptable to both sides, maybe Monroeville more. More importantly, the NSP community has no interest in change. It's not that they're happy being the toughest fish in a tiny bowl; just the thought of having to compete for an uncertain conference crown would lead to a full mutiny. It's good to be the king. Besides the steady Flyers, the FC for the last 10+ years has been utter crap football. Fortunes among all the others have risen and fallen through the years like normal; a year or two for Monroeville here, a few years for Western there, sprinkled in with some good ball from Crestview somewhere in the years between. The final gun on week 10 will mark their 5th consecutive Sure, giving that up would mean they could have a chance to grow the program. They could start playing better teams than Fremont St. Joe's and freaking SMCC. Teams like SMCC, St. Joe, Margaretta, and Willard all bet the future of their programs on the new SBC because without it, their football programs would likely wither on the vine. St. Paul doesn't have that problem, and their program isn't endangered. Here's where I do agree with you, though: their most challenging game of this campaign has already been won at Tiffin. Right now, Crestview and Monroeville are, like last year, the only two teams in any position to challenge their claim to the throne. This year will be different than last, though. There will be no need for holding their breath at Crestview , and no slugfest with Monroeville at Whitney Field. Last year, either team or both could have knocked NSP from their perch. This year, I'm certain the moment is passed. They will cut a swath through the rest of the FC - and considering the garbage ball that most of the conference is playing, it will once again fail to prepare the Flyers for a deep run into the playoffs, and will make reaching the title game more and more difficult as the years go by without them adapting to the times. First things first, Livengood has to seriously re-examine why the Flyers need to wail on SMCC and St. Joe's every year. It used to be tradition for the local Catholic schools would play each other in a round-robin scenario for non-conference play through the 90s and into the early 00s. Times change, though, and what was fine in the 90s doesn't work anymore; NSP is the only school that played that old, familiar schedule this year. An emerging rivalry w/ Huron was squashed, although I imagine it was due to the scheduling needs of the new SBC. The Tigers took the last 5 of the total eight games the two played, and although Huron's victory margins decreased with each year, I doubt the Flyer faithful lost much sleep dropping a potential spoiler to what would otherwise likely be another unblemished regular season. That, as we both agree, is a problem. There's greater potential for growth in adversity, but they want none of it.
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Post by redskinfan04 on Sept 17, 2017 21:39:27 GMT -5
It's not Livengood's call to play the Holy Trinity. That is coming directly from the diocese to my knowledge.
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Post by birchbarlow on Sept 18, 2017 7:38:50 GMT -5
Another phase is complete with Hopewell officially joining the SBC so who is next? Woodmore? Seneca East? Mohawk? Carey? Northwood? Elmwood? Some of these schools would border on being in the Bay Division which probably changes their interest level unless the SBC looks to stay at 10-12 schools in the River Division. Woodmore will come with Genoa. Se, Mohawk & Carey will come as a group. Eventually Firelands will come. Not sure which will be first. Northwood & Elmwood will not come. I don't know that Firelands has any real good reason to come to the SBC. I will say this though, if Firelands moves the the SBC, Vermilion would jump all over the spot they open up in the Patriot Athletic Conference.
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Post by greenman on Sept 18, 2017 9:13:48 GMT -5
It's not Livengood's call to play the Holy Trinity. That is coming directly from the diocese to my knowledge. If that's the case, that's absurd. It makes you wonder, then, if it's for the sake of "Catholic school unity," or making sure that all those small schools don't have any scheduling issues, or what. It also makes you wonder why the other three schools aren't bound to that same rule (anymore). It wouldn't surprise me, though, if you're correct.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 18, 2017 9:25:38 GMT -5
If that's the case, that's absurd. It makes you wonder, then, if it's for the sake of "Catholic school unity," or making sure that all those small schools don't have any scheduling issues, or what. It also makes you wonder why the other three schools aren't bound to that same rule (anymore). It wouldn't surprise me, though, if you're correct. If you're question is why SMCC, SJCC and Calvert don't play each other in a round robin OOC schedule, the answer would be because they already play each other in a round robin SBC River Division schedule.
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Post by dolittle on Sept 18, 2017 11:50:14 GMT -5
If that's the case, that's absurd. It makes you wonder, then, if it's for the sake of "Catholic school unity," or making sure that all those small schools don't have any scheduling issues, or what. It also makes you wonder why the other three schools aren't bound to that same rule (anymore). It wouldn't surprise me, though, if you're correct. If you're question is why SMCC, SJCC and Calvert don't play each other in a round robin OOC schedule, the answer would be because they already play each other in a round robin SBC River Division schedule.
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Post by 2112 on Sept 18, 2017 21:00:01 GMT -5
Woodmore will come with Genoa. Se, Mohawk & Carey will come as a group. Eventually Firelands will come. Not sure which will be first. Northwood & Elmwood will not come. I don't know that Firelands has any real good reason to come to the SBC. I will say this though, if Firelands moves the the SBC, Vermilion would jump all over the spot they open up in the Patriot Athletic Conference. That's actually plausible, given Vermilion's weird obsession with Lorain County and points east. Would the PAC be interested in Vermilion, given their recent history of conference instability? Is there a better candidate school for the PAC that might be more mutually agreeable?
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