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Post by 4 on Sept 26, 2017 15:24:13 GMT -5
Davies is the best back in the league, but if a team can limit them. Bv will lose, Harding plays @ BV this year. Hope it's not the same as past and get a well called game.
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Post by 4 on Sept 26, 2017 15:24:41 GMT -5
That will be a good game. Can't wait for that one.
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Post by oldwarrior on Sept 26, 2017 16:03:34 GMT -5
This is a comment about, what was my comment about Ontario's first, and in my opinion, best coach. And the winningest coach. First of all he did ask about using our farm to run play's off season, but that never happened. I remember him laughing when he asked, so maybe it was a joke. To me he was always an honorable man. He played by the rules. If you broke one, you paid the consequences. He didn't care if you was all Ohio. He started Ontario's football program in 1960, with I believe a full schedule in 1961. By 1964 he was undefeated. We had the highest scoring team in the state with 407 points, and averaged 8.1 yards per carry. We gave up only 58 points, and had a 3 game stretch where we went 138-0, and amassed 3,489 yards. I just fought out recently our punter never had to punt the entire season. Although our kick off team member put most of his kicks in the end zone and was an accurate place kicker, we always went for two. Although our offense consisted of ten seniors and one junior, Ontario's record the next year was 9-1. I was one of the cocaptains. Ontario's greatest coach went on to celebrate 100 wins and more before he retired .
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Post by babymaker on Sept 26, 2017 21:14:37 GMT -5
Davies is the best back in the league, but if a team can limit them. Bv will lose, Harding plays @ BV this year. Hope it's not the same as past and get a well called game. So wait pleasant isn't the only place you have ref issues? |
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Post by 4 on Sept 26, 2017 21:40:23 GMT -5
Everyone knows about the officiating at bv year before last, try to start Poop some other way lmao. Even bv fans and players admitted it was horrible. Which is why those refs no longer call moac games. That's my 1 and only time there for Harding and bv so I wouldn't say it's a bad place to play. But at pleasant it's an every time thing.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 27, 2017 22:54:49 GMT -5
Davies is the best back in the league, but if a team can limit them. Bv will lose, Harding plays @ BV this year. Hope it's not the same as past and get a well called game. So wait pleasant isn't the only place you have ref issues? Now that's 2 schools that are allowed to hire their own officials? How can new schools get in on this MOAC tradition?? |
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Post by moacfootballfan on Sept 28, 2017 9:16:46 GMT -5
So wait pleasant isn't the only place you have ref issues? Now that's 2 schools that are allowed to hire their own officials? How can new schools get in on this MOAC tradition?? It's a pretty tedious process. First, you need to go to the head of the conference, request form 809B (Don't ask for 809A, that's the recruiting waiver with a $500 application fee), then you need to meet with the governing board. Then it goes to a vote of 10 OHSAA schools which are not part of the conference for objectivity reasons. Not worth the time  |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 28, 2017 11:00:13 GMT -5
This might be news for you, but the majority of coaches in basketball and football try to get as close as possible to the red line without going over it. I had a surprising revelation told to me a couple of weeks ago by someone who played on an early Ontario team coached by who I thought was the most ethical coach I'd ever met. He transferred from Madison to Ontario when his father bought a large farm with the intent of building houses on it, as Ontario was growing and there weren't many houses for sale. When the head coach heard about him he called him into the coaches office and asked him about the defensive "keys" Madison used. After hearing his answers he knew he would be up to speed to play in his defense. The coach suggested there should be a place on the 200 acres where "they" and others could work on defensive keys and blitzes during the summer. Who'd have thunk it?? ALSO I have a friend who told me about the time several years after he graduated that an assistant coach asked him to go down to Clear Fork and spy on a practice before their game to try to pickup a few things they were doing to prepare for Ontario. OH MY! I could go on, but I don't want to tell stories about an active coach. As I said, the speed of play calling at Ontario has apparently improved immensely. No time outs, play clock didn't get close to running out. Too bad they didn't figure it out when at Galion. The "on that note" thing. It sounds like a simple concept, but it only takes one player lacking the intellect to handle two things at once to create a disaster. AND a coach knows if he has one of those guys I forgot these instances of not just getting close to the red line, but going over it. I know a former teacher at Madison who taught Business Math, the easiest math course you can take in high school. She told me that an Administrator told her she MUST give an A to a certain football player, so he'd stay be eligible. She felt threatened by the male Admin so she did as told. I was told that a former star running back didn't have to go to class during football season. And had papers written for him by a good English student. Those are SERIOUS breaches of OHSAA bylaws. As far as you know did anything like that that happen at Galion? Of course, if one doesn't get caught, no one knows a rule is broken. |
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Post by moacfootballfan on Sept 28, 2017 14:01:58 GMT -5
This might be news for you, but the majority of coaches in basketball and football try to get as close as possible to the red line without going over it. I had a surprising revelation told to me a couple of weeks ago by someone who played on an early Ontario team coached by who I thought was the most ethical coach I'd ever met. He transferred from Madison to Ontario when his father bought a large farm with the intent of building houses on it, as Ontario was growing and there weren't many houses for sale. When the head coach heard about him he called him into the coaches office and asked him about the defensive "keys" Madison used. After hearing his answers he knew he would be up to speed to play in his defense. The coach suggested there should be a place on the 200 acres where "they" and others could work on defensive keys and blitzes during the summer. Who'd have thunk it?? ALSO I have a friend who told me about the time several years after he graduated that an assistant coach asked him to go down to Clear Fork and spy on a practice before their game to try to pickup a few things they were doing to prepare for Ontario. OH MY! I could go on, but I don't want to tell stories about an active coach. As I said, the speed of play calling at Ontario has apparently improved immensely. No time outs, play clock didn't get close to running out. Too bad they didn't figure it out when at Galion. The "on that note" thing. It sounds like a simple concept, but it only takes one player lacking the intellect to handle two things at once to create a disaster. AND a coach knows if he has one of those guys I forgot these instances of not just getting close to the red line, but going over it. I know a former teacher at Madison who taught Business Math, the easiest math course you can take in high school. She told me that an Administrator told her she MUST give an A to a certain football player, so he'd stay be eligible. She felt threatened by the male Admin so she did as told. I was told that a former star running back didn't have to go to class during football season. And had papers written for him by a good English student. Those are SERIOUS breaches of OHSAA bylaws. As far as you know did anything like that that happen at Galion? Of course, if one doesn't get caught, no one knows a rule is broken. Those are appalling examples of people putting high school sports upon an inappropriate pedestal. As far as whether it happened(s) at Galion, not to my knowledge since I am not as plugged into Galion as it sounds like you are with Ontario. Morally, I hope not. If so, that player should be suspended. If a coach or administrator knew about it and concealed or directed it, they should be fired. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 28, 2017 14:32:17 GMT -5
My point is, more of it happens than we realize and what happened at Galion was minor in comparison to what is gotten away with at many "football schools". The big money maker for athletic departments
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Post by moacfootballfan on Sept 28, 2017 15:42:14 GMT -5
My point is, more of it happens than we realize and what happened at Galion was minor in comparison to what is gotten away with at many "football schools". The big money maker for athletic departments Point taken and agreed with, but I still don't agree with the idea of moral equivalence (relativism). |
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Post by ohs2017 on Sept 29, 2017 13:48:44 GMT -5
A surprising result here. You guys don't seem to be getting much bang for your buck over there. I'd hate to live in the same house with such a hate monger. EIGHT dropped passes by Ontario receivers in the game. A big NU O-line wore down a smallish defense for Ontario. Ontario went ahead twice in the 4th quarter but couldn't stop the NU run game and they answered twice. When Ontario scored a TD with 6 minutes left in the 4th I knew they would lose. I've seen many years of football at Ontario that had teams that didn't know how to win close games. All else is immaterial until the culture changes. You make 8 dropped passes sound bad for high school. Hell the Browns had 8 drops last Sunday. "The Culture" can you please explain what you mean by that. Just admit it Hawkins doesn't have the athletes, and with out them he is not a great coach. Simple as that anyone can win with the athletes he's had over the years. Me being young ik a lot of people from galion and my senior class last year, no one really liked him as a coach last year. He yells at Cam when HE takes forever to get the play in, and HE never takes any blame, its always OUR fault. He refuses to run under center in short yardage situation and wonders why we never converted on 3rd and 1 or 2. Or even 4th and 1 or 2. It's just little things that I first hand experienced that does not make him a HOF coach as you think he is |
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Post by ohs2017 on Sept 29, 2017 13:54:20 GMT -5
you can spend as much money as you want on the field, facilities, uniforms, etc but that is not what plays the game. Kids play the game. Plus give NU a little credit for the win? They are a little better than what some of you think they are. I saw a lot of improvement this week. READ mama, you will see where I said almost to the word, what you said. Spending all that money on cosmetics does not create a winning team. They should be spending some of that money on getting bigger players.  Ontario used to be farm country. That farmland was turned into a huge GM stamping plant, that's no longer there. And the largest retail center between Columbus and Akron. Ontario no longer has any of those strapping farm boys and their work ethic. Millionaire's kids aren't the same. We had a much larger team last year, not saying it was farm boys, but i attended this game and couldn't believe how small Ontario looked. For the number of boys they have its kind of amazing |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 29, 2017 17:00:48 GMT -5
I'd hate to live in the same house with such a hate monger. EIGHT dropped passes by Ontario receivers in the game. A big NU O-line wore down a smallish defense for Ontario. Ontario went ahead twice in the 4th quarter but couldn't stop the NU run game and they answered twice. When Ontario scored a TD with 6 minutes left in the 4th I knew they would lose. I've seen many years of football at Ontario that had teams that didn't know how to win close games. All else is immaterial until the culture changes. You make 8 dropped passes sound bad for high school. Hell the Browns had 8 drops last Sunday. "The Culture" can you please explain what you mean by that. Just admit it Hawkins doesn't have the athletes, and with out them he is not a great coach. Simple as that anyone can win with the athletes he's had over the years. Me being young ik a lot of people from galion and my senior class last year, no one really liked him as a coach last year. He yells at Cam when HE takes forever to get the play in, and HE never takes any blame, its always OUR fault. He refuses to run under center in short yardage situation and wonders why we never converted on 3rd and 1 or 2. Or even 4th and 1 or 2. It's just little things that I first hand experienced that does not make him a HOF coach as you think he is You are not very knowledgeable. When you lose a game by 4 points, 8 dropped passes is huge. Comparing a professional team to a smallish high school team is juvenile. If you don't know about "culture" in a team sport, you should be embarrassed. Hawkins has enough "athletes" for his team to have more wins than they have this year, 3 losses by a total of 14 points. They were ahead in two of the losses in the 2nd half and less than a TD behind in the 4th quarter in the other. Their problem is not knowing how to win close game, games when ahead. That can not be taught, x's and o's are not as important as having a burning desire not to lose and play accordingly. It's easy to lose close game, much harder to win close games. That's a winning culture. It's kind of a mystical thing. You have it or you don't, but you KNOW it when you have it. If you dislike a coach because he yells at you, you're beyond help. A great coach once said, "If I'm not yelling at you, I've given up on you." The best players get yelled at the most. They have the most God given talent. Some must be team leaders. PLEASE tell us what formation Urban Meyer and most all spread coaches in college football run out of on 3rd and 1 or 2? If you don't answer you can't be respected. DO NOT be untruthful, SHOW US where I've said anything about a HOF coach. If you don't you will NEVER be respected. Do you know anything about Kenton's football program? Do you know how many State Finals they made? Did you know their system only has one player in the backfield? Their QB. No one but the QB in the shotgun runs for it on 3rd and short. BTW they NEVER punt on 4th down regardless of the yardage and the position on the field, they're so successful at converting 4th down plays. Become learned, become respected. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 29, 2017 17:10:48 GMT -5
READ mama, you will see where I said almost to the word, what you said. Spending all that money on cosmetics does not create a winning team. They should be spending some of that money on getting bigger players. Ontario used to be farm country. That farmland was turned into a huge GM stamping plant, that's no longer there. And the largest retail center between Columbus and Akron. Ontario no longer has any of those strapping farm boys and their work ethic. Millionaire's kids aren't the same. We had a much larger team last year, not saying it was farm boys, but i attended this game and couldn't believe how small Ontario looked. For the number of boys they have its kind of amazing Ya, THE biggest and 2nd biggest kid on the team, were not "players". |
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Post by ohs2017 on Oct 1, 2017 18:23:41 GMT -5
You make 8 dropped passes sound bad for high school. Hell the Browns had 8 drops last Sunday. "The Culture" can you please explain what you mean by that. Just admit it Hawkins doesn't have the athletes, and with out them he is not a great coach. Simple as that anyone can win with the athletes he's had over the years. Me being young ik a lot of people from galion and my senior class last year, no one really liked him as a coach last year. He yells at Cam when HE takes forever to get the play in, and HE never takes any blame, its always OUR fault. He refuses to run under center in short yardage situation and wonders why we never converted on 3rd and 1 or 2. Or even 4th and 1 or 2. It's just little things that I first hand experienced that does not make him a HOF coach as you think he is YYou are not very knowledgeable. When you lose a game by 4 points, 8 dropped passes is huge. Comparing a professional team to a smallish high school team is juvenile. If you don't know about "culture" in a team sport, you should be embarrassed. Hawkins has enough "athletes" for his team to have more wins than they have this year, 3 losses by a total of 14 points. They were ahead in two of the losses in the 2nd half and less than a TD behind in the 4th quarter in the other. Their problem is not knowing how to win close game, games when ahead. That can not be taught, x's and o's are not as important as having a burning desire not to lose and play accordingly. It's easy to lose close game, much harder to win close games. That's a winning culture. It's kind of a mystical thing. You have it or you don't, but you KNOW it when you have it. If you dislike a coach because he yells at you, you're beyond help. A great coach once said, "If I'm not yelling at you, I've given up on you." The best players get yelled at the most. They have the most God given talent. Some must be team leaders. PLEASE tell us what formation Urban Meyer and all spread coaches in college football run out of on 3rd and 1 or 2? If you don't answer you can't be respected. DO NOT be untruthful, SHOW US where I've said anything about a HOF coach. If you don't you will NEVER be respected. Do you know anything about Kenton's football program? Do you know how many State Finals they made? Did you know their system only has one player in the backfield? Their QB. No one but the QB in the shotgun runs for it on 3rd and short. BTW they NEVER punt on 4th down regardless of the yardage and the position on the field, they're so successful at converting 4th down plays. Become learned, become respected. Okay, so just because Urban Meyer does something it means it will work for Ontario? no! The new england Patriots run under center all the time! It depends on your personnel, and good coaches adjust to what personnel they have! |
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Post by ohs2017 on Oct 1, 2017 18:26:24 GMT -5
I don't like him because he yells, all good coaches yell! I don't like him because I don't think we did as well as we should have with the potential we had. And we had other big kids last year besides 74 and 76.
67 was screwed all year bc he got in a car accident and was hurting all 2 a days and the coaches assumed he was just lazy
75 was NOL honorable mention as an offensive tackle
and 57 not the biggest kid was 3rd team all NOL as a guard, and is playing D3 at wittenberg
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Post by ohs2017 on Oct 1, 2017 18:28:27 GMT -5
Also good coaches speak with their players outside of football, that's why they are usually teachers. And even if they are not you should still have a relationship with your players!!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 2, 2017 13:13:22 GMT -5
You are not very knowledgeable. When you lose a game by 4 points, 8 dropped passes is huge. Comparing a professional team to a smallish high school team is juvenile. If you don't know about "culture" in a team sport, you should be embarrassed. Hawkins has enough "athletes" for his team to have more wins than they have this year, 3 losses by a total of 14 points. They were ahead in two of the losses in the 2nd half and less than a TD behind in the 4th quarter in the other. Their problem is not knowing how to win close game, games when ahead. That can not be taught, x's and o's are not as important as having a burning desire not to lose and play accordingly. It's easy to lose close game, much harder to win close games. That's a winning culture. It's kind of a mystical thing. You have it or you don't, but you KNOW it when you have it. If you dislike a coach because he yells at you, you're beyond help. A great coach once said, "If I'm not yelling at you, I've given up on you." The best players get yelled at the most. They have the most God given talent. Some must be team leaders. PLEASE tell us what formation Urban Meyer and moat all spread coaches in college football run out of on 3rd and 1 or 2? If you don't answer you can't be respected. DO NOT be untruthful, SHOW US where I've said anything about a HOF coach. If you don't you will NEVER be respected. Do you know anything about Kenton's football program? Do you know how many State Finals they made? Did you know their system only has one player in the backfield? Their QB. No one but the QB in the shotgun runs for it on 3rd and short. BTW they NEVER punt on 4th down regardless of the yardage and the position on the field, they're so successful at converting 4th down plays. Become learned, become respected. Okay, so just because Urban Meyer does something it means it will work for Ontario? no! The new england Patriots run under center all the time! It depends on your personnel, and good coaches adjust to what personnel they have! You can't be respected until you learn to read. I said, "Urban Meyer and MOST ALL SPREAD COACHES". Showing a definite pattern what is done in short yardage situations. None of them get out of the formation they use on 99% of the other plays for short yardage situations. You are sounding less knowledgeable about football with every new post. What in the heck does the New England Patriots that DO NOT run a spread offense have to do with high school teams that do? A terrible analogy. A HS spread coach might consider having his QB go under center on short yardage situations for a QB sneak only if he was a 200+ tough guy. Ontario hasn't had that personnel in the past 2 years to adjust to. Have you done your homework assignment on Kenton yet? AGAIN, show us where I said anything about HOF coaches. You can't be respected until you show us or apologize for the untruthfulness. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 2, 2017 13:34:43 GMT -5
I don't like him because he yells, all good coaches yell! I don't like him because I don't think we did as well as we should have with the potential we had. And we had other big kids last year besides 74 and 76. 67 was screwed all year bc he got in a car accident and was hurting all 2 a days and the coaches assumed he was just lazy 75 was NOL honorable mention as an offensive tackle and 57 not the biggest kid was 3rd team all NOL as a guard, and is playing D3 at wittenberg Just "potential" does not make a good team. The first year under a completely new coach is a leaning experience, rarely successful without A LOT of studs. I saw a couple of the best players last year not wanting to get hurt going into basketball, can't say I blame them. IMO, they should have stayed basketball only players, they had a slow start in basketball. Last year Ontario only had 2 seniors that weighed over 200 pounds that were worth anything and only 1 played on defense. Where the problem is this year. Bringing up honorable mention is more proof of your lack of knowledge. Each coach is allowed to nominate one player for honorable mention, it's just given, the other coaches don't vote on it. He's usually a good guy Senior his coach thinks deserves some recognition. By "playing" for wittenberg[sic], do you mean on the team? There are usually 200+ kids on a DIII football team. He's there more so due to his academics. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 2, 2017 13:42:45 GMT -5
Also good coaches speak with their players outside of football, that's why they are usually teachers. And even if they are not you should still have a relationship with your players!!! I never saw my good football coach during the day. I didn't have him for any subjects and the kids he was looking for in the halls between classes were the ones that might get in trouble. Relationships between coaches and players are built during summer lifting, team meetings, film study, scouting report meetings and the practice fields. If one needs some special guidance on football or a personal matter, is where the one on one relationships comes into play, outside of football!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 20:49:05 GMT -5
Also good coaches speak with their players outside of football, that's why they are usually teachers. And even if they are not you should still have a relationship with your players!!! Good coaches don't always but good people do. |
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Post by oldwarrior on Oct 4, 2017 17:49:07 GMT -5
My point is, more of it happens than we realize and what happened at Galion was minor in comparison to what is gotten away with at many "football schools". The big money maker for athletic departments |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2017 7:40:12 GMT -5
oldwarrior, that mentality is pretty pitiful. Cheating at any level is still cheating weather they are caught or not and it speaks towards someone's ethics. Plus, in our area there are not many true "football Schools" and less that are big money makers for the athletic department.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 5, 2017 13:50:52 GMT -5
Your lack of knowledge is what's pitiful. The OHSAA determines the penalties for infractions to their bylaws. THEY determine what are minor infractions and major infractions. Read the the cases that have been ruled on by the OHSAA and see what the different penalties have been. THEN you will know the difference between what happened at Galion and at other schools. FYI, the penalty given to Galion was appealed and reduced by 50%. A rarity for the OHSAA.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2017 11:22:43 GMT -5
oldwarrior, plus knowing there are different levels of cheating and different levels of punishment does not change that fact that someone is a cheater. OHSAA rules are written to be self policed by each coach or athletic department of a program or school.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 6, 2017 17:26:18 GMT -5
Being untruthful again.
In this case an assistant broke an OHSAA Bylaw. He said he didn't know he was doing anything wrong. The head coach was NOT punished for "cheating", he was punished for not teaching all of his assistance coaches all of the OHSAA Bylaws. The punishment was a 2 game suspension. The punishment was appealed and reduced by 50%, which is very rare for the OHSAA.
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Post by galion on Oct 7, 2017 0:32:09 GMT -5
If that were the case one would think that the assistant would have suffered some type of OHSAA punishment like the kid did(whose WASN'T reduced on appeal by the way).
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 7, 2017 17:44:01 GMT -5
The man at the top takes the heat. I think the OHSAA knew it was a stretch to blame a head coach for an assistant's mistake. Like I said, it is very rare for the OHSAA to reduce a penalty by 50%. Not the players fault, the parent's. Adults better know the OHSAA transfer rules. The OHSAA can't penalize a parent, so the player has to pay.
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Ontario used to be farm country. That farmland was turned into a huge GM stamping plant, that's no longer there. And the largest retail center between Columbus and Akron. Ontario no longer has any of those strapping farm boys and their work ethic. Millionaire's kids aren't the same.