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Post by babymaker on Dec 8, 2017 9:29:27 GMT -5
If Pleasant goes to the N10 I have a hard time believing they will take RV. Size will be an issue with RV.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2017 13:24:05 GMT -5
Are they looking at Pleasant AND River Valley or are they looking at Pleasant OR River Valley?
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 14:53:31 GMT -5
I would love for anybody to explain to me how the N10 is a better option for either Pleasant or RV than what they are in right now. So let me get this straight, allegedly SE, Cary, and Mohawk are going to leave to join the new SBC in some form or fashion. Then Pleasant or RV or both are going to BC, CC, Wynford, Bucyrus, and Upper to form either a 6 or 7 team conference. Only Upper fields a soccer team, I believe only 2 of them have wrestling, and 3 of them have tennis. What sense does this make? Oh, and they get to travel farther north than they already do. Yeah, this makes perfect sense.
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Post by babymaker on Dec 8, 2017 16:31:23 GMT -5
I think its a terrible idea. The only benefit is playing schools closer to their size.
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Post by galion on Dec 8, 2017 17:26:29 GMT -5
They already are playing schools closer to their size. RV is already the 3rd or 4th largest school in the conference. Although Pleasant is smaller, the N10 outside of d4 Upper and D5 Bucyrus is all D6 and 7. That's not closer to their size. Especially if you are going to have to essentially schedule as an independent for some of your sports.
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Post by fbfan on Dec 8, 2017 18:42:43 GMT -5
I would love for anybody to explain to me how the N10 is a better option for either Pleasant or RV than what they are in right now. So let me get this straight, allegedly SE, Cary, and Mohawk are going to leave to join the new SBC in some form or fashion. Then Pleasant or RV or both are going to BC, CC, Wynford, Bucyrus, and Upper to form either a 6 or 7 team conference. Only Upper fields a soccer team, I believe only 2 of them have wrestling, and 3 of them have tennis. What sense does this make? Oh, and they get to travel farther north than they already do. Yeah, this makes perfect sense. As long as the dominoes were falling both north and south, you could add the two schools some in the NCC coveted years ago and you would have something like this: RV ONT GAL SHELBYUPPER CLEAR F PLEAS WYN CC BC BU WILLARD |
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Post by babymaker on Dec 8, 2017 19:46:19 GMT -5
They already are playing schools closer to their size. RV is already the 3rd or 4th largest school in the conference. Although Pleasant is smaller, the N10 outside of d4 Upper and D5 Bucyrus is all D6 and 7. That's not closer to their size. Especially if you are going to have to essentially schedule as an independent for some of your sports. The difference is BV harding are 2x the size of pleasant. I still say its a bad idea. Harding 379 (2.47x) 226 more boys BV 308 (2.01x) 155 more RV 236 (1.54x) 83 more Shelby 228 (1.49x) 75 more Ontario 222 (1.45x) 69 more CF 181 (1.18x) 28 more Galion 163 (1.06x) 10 more NU 163 (1.06x) 10 more Pleasant 153 AVE 82 boys less Upper 214 (1.40x) 61 more Bucryus 134 (-1.14x) 19 less Carey 133 (-1.15x) 20 less Seneca E 117 (-1.31x) 36 less Mohawk 104 (-1.47x) 49 less CC 103 (-1.48x) 50 less Wynford 100 (-1.53x) 53 less BC 82 (-1.86x) 71 less Is all about #s. Not saying its right, but saying they are playing their own size is not really true. That said 2 of the top three they have played for years (some of that was in cross over games in the old Red and Blue MOAC days). |
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 8, 2017 22:48:02 GMT -5
If, and I say IF, this happens I see Carey and Mohawk going into the Blanchard Valley Conference. Carey has a somewhat rivalry with Riverview. Mohawk would just follow Carey's coattail then.  Seneca East would go to the SBC (river) being that they are closer to them plus they already have some rivalries playing there in the SBC.  |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 9, 2017 1:45:07 GMT -5
is it Carey or Mohawk that's supposed to have a huge rivalry with Upper?
The N10 would have to be very desperate to invite a team that will win 90% of all football and basketball titles for ever.
As the MOAC will be configured, Pleasant will still win over half of all football and basketball titles.
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Post by deathfromabove on Dec 9, 2017 6:36:38 GMT -5
is it Carey or Mohawk that's supposed to have a huge rivalry with Upper? The N10 would have to be very desperate to invite a team that will win 90% of all football and basketball titles for ever. As the MOAC will be configured, Pleasant will still win over half of all football and basketball titles. Willard: I believe Carey has the huge rivalry with Upper but I think that it seems they have a rivalry with just about everybody. I don't think that Pleasant will ever be in the N-10. The teams in the N-10 that win most of the sports trophies wouldn't want anybody to come in and upset the apple cart. I'm sorry for the people in the N-10 that will get upset with that comment but that is how most of the people think of your conference that way.  |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 9, 2017 8:57:39 GMT -5
If, and I say IF, this happens I see Carey and Mohawk going into the Blanchard Valley Conference. Carey has a somewhat rivalry with Riverview. Mohawk would just follow Carey's coattail then. Seneca East would go to the SBC (river) being that they are closer to them plus they already have some rivalries playing there in the SBC. Talking football only here. The original premise that this thread has taken is that Pleasant was coming to the N10. I said that would only happen if Carey, Mohawk, and Seneca East had left FIRST. ( N10 would have to do something). After the first year of the N10 I did hear rumors that those three were not happy with initial results, but I don't think that is the case any longer. They all upped their game and made the playoffs this year. The N10 is just fine as it is and you're right, no need to upset the apple cart and fix it if it's not broken. |
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Post by fbfan on Dec 9, 2017 9:19:03 GMT -5
Pleasant to the N10? Good luck. If big, bad Galion was too much competition for them they sure as heck won't have anything to do with Pleasant. Do you really think that Wynford would allow a school into that conference who could consistently beat them in football? I also find it highly unlikely that Pleasant is going to enter a conference full of smaller schools that bye and large don't field soccer, tennis, or wrestling teams. If the dominoes were falling, I could see Galion back in the N10 before Pleasant, since certain "changes" have happened within Galion. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 9:40:19 GMT -5
Curious question.
Would you rather join a league that you know you can wins games in OR join a league that will challenge you every night? I believe each has a different long term affect.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 9, 2017 11:12:08 GMT -5
is it Carey or Mohawk that's supposed to have a huge rivalry with Upper? The N10 would have to be very desperate to invite a team that will win 90% of all football and basketball titles for ever. As the MOAC will be configured, Pleasant will still win over half of all football and basketball titles. Willard: I believe Carey has the huge rivalry with Upper but I think that it seems they have a rivalry with just about everybody. I don't think that Pleasant will ever be in the N-10. The teams in the N-10 that win most of the sports trophies wouldn't want anybody to come in and upset the apple cart. I'm sorry for the people in the N-10 that will get upset with that comment but that is how most of the people think of your conference that way. Yep, there is a history from which such an assessment can be made. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 9, 2017 11:16:34 GMT -5
If, and I say IF, this happens I see Carey and Mohawk going into the Blanchard Valley Conference. Carey has a somewhat rivalry with Riverview. Mohawk would just follow Carey's coattail then. Seneca East would go to the SBC (river) being that they are closer to them plus they already have some rivalries playing there in the SBC. Talking football only here. The original premise that this thread has taken is that Pleasant was coming to the N10. I said that would only happen if Carey, Mohawk, and Seneca East had left FIRST. ( N10 would have to do something). After the first year of the N10 I did hear rumors that those three were not happy with initial results, but I don't think that is the case any longer. They all upped their game and made the playoffs this year. The N10 is just fine as it is and you're right, no need to upset the apple cart and fix it if it's not broken. If those 3 left the N-10, and Pleasant REALLY wanted to join the N-10. It would behoove them to find 2 partners that are currently as unhappy as Pleasant and also thought the N-10 would make them happy, to go with them to get to 8. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 9, 2017 11:23:55 GMT -5
Pleasant to the N10? Good luck. If big, bad Galion was too much competition for them they sure as heck won't have anything to do with Pleasant. Do you really think that Wynford would allow a school into that conference who could consistently beat them in football? I also find it highly unlikely that Pleasant is going to enter a conference full of smaller schools that bye and large don't field soccer, tennis, or wrestling teams. If the dominoes were falling, I could see Galion back in the N10 before Pleasant, since certain "changes" have happened within Galion. You're not "seeing" correctly, Galion was never in the N-10  |
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Post by GHS 1999 on Dec 9, 2017 21:13:36 GMT -5
I personally hope things stay settled. I like the MOAC the way it is. Or better yet the way it’s stands beginning after the 2018 football season. People forget that while Harding is a lot bigger than most of the other schools, they don’t play to the higher level. They appear to me to compete nicely in the MOAC. Pleasant is in a good place. They have very strong programs and despite losing to CF and not winning the MOAC, they did very respectably in the playoffs. The MOAC helped them get to that point imo. As far as the N10 goes, that situation is good there as well. 8 football schools is ideal and 3 playoff teams is great. SE Carey and Mohawk are where they belong imo. I don’t see the N10 wanting anything to do with Pleasant especially if they didn’t want Willard. Just my 2 cents though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 9:55:41 GMT -5
I think being "settled" is not what is going to be the norm any more. People in general want quick results and long time league stability everywhere may be a thing of the past. In saying that I thing the MOAC could see the ending as the NOL in the next 4-5 years as ticket sales could decline.
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Post by harding on Dec 19, 2017 17:40:14 GMT -5
Has anyone heard anything about the Harding coaching search?
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Post by 4 on Dec 20, 2017 0:17:35 GMT -5
Nope, still think it will be slater. But word should be out soon.
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Post by moacmama on Dec 20, 2017 21:08:40 GMT -5
Anyone want to go back to the days of the original MOAC? I figured it would eventually implode. Too bad, it was great in its glory days.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 20, 2017 23:05:15 GMT -5
Did not implode. Highland made it grow and divide like an amoeba. So they could be the big fish in their small pond.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 23:44:55 GMT -5
Anyone want to go back to the days of the original MOAC? I figured it would eventually implode. Too bad, it was great in its glory days. May not be done imploding yet. |
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Post by 4 on Dec 21, 2017 1:01:18 GMT -5
Anyone want to go back to the days of the original MOAC? I figured it would eventually implode. Too bad, it was great in its glory days. glad NU is out though, IMO. Nice to see them get there first basketball win since Harding joined moac tonight tho. How is Shelby’s basketball team? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 8:21:36 GMT -5
Anyone want to go back to the days of the original MOAC? I figured it would eventually implode. Too bad, it was great in its glory days. glad NU is out though, IMO. Nice to see them get there first basketball win since Harding joined moac tonight tho. How is Shelby’s basketball team? Going off of the scores I have seen so far, if Shelby was in the MOAC this season they would not be tested. |
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Post by mrsteel on Dec 21, 2017 9:23:37 GMT -5
glad NU is out though, IMO. Nice to see them get there first basketball win since Harding joined moac tonight tho. How is Shelby’s basketball team? Going off of the scores I have seen so far, if Shelby was in the MOAC this season they would not be tested. You may be right about them leading the moac. But it's hard to gauge them because most of their competitors from the past few years are down. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 9:37:58 GMT -5
I would be gauging them from this years limited competition.
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Post by wallpass on Dec 21, 2017 12:36:39 GMT -5
They already are playing schools closer to their size. RV is already the 3rd or 4th largest school in the conference. Although Pleasant is smaller, the N10 outside of d4 Upper and D5 Bucyrus is all D6 and 7. That's not closer to their size. Especially if you are going to have to essentially schedule as an independent for some of your sports. The difference is BV harding are 2x the size of pleasant. I still say its a bad idea. Harding 379 (2.47x) 226 more boys BV 308 (2.01x) 155 more RV 236 (1.54x) 83 more Shelby 228 (1.49x) 75 more Ontario 222 (1.45x) 69 more CF 181 (1.18x) 28 more Galion 163 (1.06x) 10 more NU 163 (1.06x) 10 more Pleasant 153 AVE 82 boys less Upper 214 (1.40x) 61 more Bucryus 134 (-1.14x) 19 less Carey 133 (-1.15x) 20 less Seneca E 117 (-1.31x) 36 less Mohawk 104 (-1.47x) 49 less CC 103 (-1.48x) 50 less Wynford 100 (-1.53x) 53 less BC 82 (-1.86x) 71 less Is all about #s. Not saying its right, but saying they are playing their own size is not really true. That said 2 of the top three they have played for years (some of that was in cross over games in the old Red and Blue MOAC days). The numbers you have posted here are correct to a point but these are only grades 9-11 (which is what the OHSAA uses to classify schools) In reality, there is one more class of boys in each school. The actual numbers for each school are closer to: Harding - 505 - 301 more boys BV - 411 - 207 more boys RV - 315 - 111 more boys Shelby - 304 - 100 more boys Ontario - 296 - 92 more boys Clear Fork - 241 - 37 more boys Galion - 217 - 13 more boys Pleasant - 204 Obviously, these numbers include kids that go to tech schools and the larger schools probably have more kids that do that. Just wanted to include all four classes into the mix for a true look at the differences. |
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Post by moacmama on Dec 21, 2017 14:38:50 GMT -5
Anyone want to go back to the days of the original MOAC? I figured it would eventually implode. Too bad, it was great in its glory days. May not be done imploding yet. That's what I have heard. |
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Post by moacmama on Dec 21, 2017 14:40:06 GMT -5
Anyone want to go back to the days of the original MOAC? I figured it would eventually implode. Too bad, it was great in its glory days. glad NU is out though, IMO. Nice to see them get there first basketball win since Harding joined moac tonight tho. How is Shelby’s basketball team? since you addressed me, glad to be out but will miss running into my friends from Pleasant, RV, and Harding (yes, I have friends there) ...and I have no clue about Shelby's basketball team. |
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