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Post by DrTorch on Aug 19, 2017 15:58:23 GMT -5
greatest regret ever was not getting to Gate 23 to see NorCal when CAL came to visit!
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 19, 2017 18:14:06 GMT -5
everyone knows i worked at OSU for years, i've met posters inside the Shoe/Schott on a number of occasions while at work, my last season at OSU i had field access for home football games i've done events at the Smith's house before, they are like the nicest people you will ever meet, which makes it awkward when i have to bash him for messing up our Bowl Ban That is awesome.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 19, 2017 18:16:54 GMT -5
greatest regret ever was not getting to Gate 23 to see NorCal when CAL came to visit! I'm with ya.......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 10:07:18 GMT -5
if you could just take pity on me and show me one area where JT was better than Cardale... ...cause Jones did all the things you said JT was going to do and YOU aren't giving Jones much credit... ...how can a QB with less hardware, a weaker arm, a worse record, and dimmer pro prospects be considered better than a kid who went undefeated as a college QB, won a Big-10 title, won the 1st ever College Football playoff, and was drafted in the NFL? whatever you're smoking sir i'll take (2)...seems like some pretty good stuff JT is 26-4 as a starter. Neither you nor I are in any position to question the judgement and wisdom of the coaches. The coaches know their players and base their decisions on who can best put them in a position to win. Like I said before, if you think Urban is doing things improperly in your opinion, take it up with Gene Smith. We all loved what Cardale accomplished and his story will forever be a part of college football history, but he's gone now, a part of the distant past. The best thing you can do is...do like me, sit back and enjoy the ride. I don't smoke.....tobacco or left handed cigarettes...lol It doesn't matter if you live in Australia or work for the Buckeyes(although that is pretty cool DrTorch) if you are a fan you have an opinion of the teams you support and can comment on it. YOU cannot question the coaches for the play calling last season but say WE cannot question things this season. You are better than that.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 21, 2017 17:18:10 GMT -5
JT is 26-4 as a starter. Neither you nor I are in any position to question the judgement and wisdom of the coaches. The coaches know their players and base their decisions on who can best put them in a position to win. Like I said before, if you think Urban is doing things improperly in your opinion, take it up with Gene Smith. We all loved what Cardale accomplished and his story will forever be a part of college football history, but he's gone now, a part of the distant past. The best thing you can do is...do like me, sit back and enjoy the ride. I don't smoke.....tobacco or left handed cigarettes...lol It doesn't matter if you live in Australia or work for the Buckeyes(although that is pretty cool DrTorch) if you are a fan you have an opinion of the teams you support and can comment on it. YOU cannot question the coaches for the play calling last season but say WE cannot question things this season. You are better than that. Obviously, Urban Meyer has done that for us. UM certainly graded the efforts and results his coaches put forth last season and they were removed as a result. Great coaches surround themselves with superior people, if they don't live up to expected standards, disappoint and don't measure up, they are gone.
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Post by 4 on Aug 21, 2017 18:19:03 GMT -5
JT Barrett is the first 3 time captain in OSU football history.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 22, 2017 0:40:53 GMT -5
Who here watches BTN? Well Stanley Jackson (former OSU QB) is a commentator on BTN and knows more about the QB position than all of us on NCoast combined. He said if you took the names off of all the OSU jersey's then Dwayne Haskins is without a doubt the best QB on OSU. Really unsurprising that Haskins is light years better than JT Barrett. LOLOLOLOL Stanley Jackson still thinks he's a MUCH better QB than Joe Germaine. That alone makes him a lousy judge of who should be the starting QB at Ohio State. Germaine was drafted in the 4th round, Jackson played arena football LOLOLOLOL
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Post by galion on Aug 22, 2017 6:41:30 GMT -5
Interesting you brought that up when you consider that Cardale got drafted yet JT won't.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 22, 2017 8:36:43 GMT -5
Interesting you brought that up when you consider that Cardale got drafted yet JT won't. The NFL isn't necessarily any measure of success, as it relates to college football. Too many factors are in play. Just checked the 2017 Ohio State Buckeye roster and nope, no Cardale Jones listed anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 9:47:23 GMT -5
sportsjock, I did not read anyone saying the NFL was a measure of success for college football. But the NFL Draft can be.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 22, 2017 10:57:15 GMT -5
Interesting you brought that up when you consider that Cardale got drafted yet JT won't. +5
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 22, 2017 11:17:21 GMT -5
sportsjock, I did not read anyone saying the NFL was a measure of success for college football. But the NFL Draft can be. I'm sure you understood my point. Lot's of outstanding collegiate athletes never play at the next level, doesn't diminish their accomplishments. None of us can say with any certainty, J.T. won't be drafted or won't find his way into the NFL. If he does, good for him. Odds are, he won't be playing on Sundays, few dual-threat QB's do. That's neither here nor there, the 2017 Buckeye football season 'is' here and now, that....we can be certain of.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2017 12:36:03 GMT -5
sportsjock, I did not read anyone saying the NFL was a measure of success for college football. But the NFL Draft can be. I'm sure you understood my point. Lot's of outstanding collegiate athletes never play at the next level, doesn't diminish their accomplishments. None of us can say with any certainty, J.T. won't be drafted or won't find his way into the NFL. If he does, good for him. Odds are, he won't be playing on Sundays, few dual-threat QB's do. That's neither here nor there, the 2017 Buckeye football season 'is' here and now, that....we can be certain of. I understood your comment but it was obvious you did not understand a comment you replied to so I wanted to help you. Your welcome. :-D
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 22, 2017 14:15:34 GMT -5
I'm sure you understood my point. Lot's of outstanding collegiate athletes never play at the next level, doesn't diminish their accomplishments. None of us can say with any certainty, J.T. won't be drafted or won't find his way into the NFL. If he does, good for him. Odds are, he won't be playing on Sundays, few dual-threat QB's do. That's neither here nor there, the 2017 Buckeye football season 'is' here and now, that....we can be certain of. I understood your comment but it was obvious you did not understand a comment you replied to so I wanted to help you. Your welcome. :-D +10 and +5 for sportsjock cause it looks like he didn't read Fillmore's post well done all
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 22, 2017 14:58:51 GMT -5
I understood your comment but it was obvious you did not understand a comment you replied to so I wanted to help you. Your welcome. :-D +10 and +5 for sportsjock cause it looks like he didn't read Fillmore's post well done all Torch, you pegged it, I really didn't read MF's post.
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 22, 2017 15:01:26 GMT -5
then there is still hope for you
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 22, 2017 17:47:48 GMT -5
then there is still hope for you Ya think?
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Post by DrTorch on Aug 22, 2017 18:44:14 GMT -5
totally
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 22, 2017 20:08:44 GMT -5
Interesting you brought that up when you consider that Cardale got drafted yet JT won't. Interesting that you didn't recognize the reality that Rambo FIRST made a big deal about Cardale being drafted and JT won't. Yet he thinks so highly of Stanley Jackson? Just pointing out his terrible analogy. The KEY is Stanley Jackson STILL thinks he's a better than QB than Joe Germaine. When Cooper played Germaine, Jackson would pout. When Jackson played, Germaine stayed involved. Jackson still is a putz. Read the history.
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Post by galion on Aug 23, 2017 3:43:47 GMT -5
Stop it. You're the one who tried to make the argument for Germaine because he got drafted and Jackson didn't. And you're the one who keeps trying to argue that JT is better than Cardale. There is no way for you to deflect your way out of this one. You're also the one who brought up the YAC argument against Tebow after pretending that it didn't matter when defending your boy JT. Keep digging.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 23, 2017 13:56:59 GMT -5
Likely backup QB Joe Burrow, is out for an undetermined amount of time, with a broken bone in his throwing hand. They did the surgery, so the healing process has already begun. Dwayne Haskins becomes the backup to start the season.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 23, 2017 21:33:36 GMT -5
Stop it. You're the one who tried to make the argument for Germaine because he got drafted and Jackson didn't. And you're the one who keeps trying to argue that JT is better than Cardale. There is no way for you to deflect your way out of this one. You're also the one who brought up the YAC argument against Tebow after pretending that it didn't matter when defending your boy JT. Keep digging. YOU stop it, and read carefully. My MAIN point was that Stanley Jackson still believes he's a better QB than Joe Germaine. Do you know the history?? Thus, it's dumb to quote anything Jackson has to say concerning evaluating QBs. My secondary comment about Jackson and Germaine's status after college was only to throw it in the face of the FIRST person to broach the subject of who gets drafted MUST be a better college football QB, especially in an offense who's QB MUST be such a good runner that he can gain close to 1000 yards on the ground. Stop it. Tebow threw almost 1000 passes in college. IF you watched a lot of Florida games, it is doltish not to know that around 200 of those passes were short passes and Urban Meyer jet sweeps are counted as forward passes. Upping his completion %,that turned into long gains by his talented receivers. All of those YAC going into Tebow's column of passing yardage. JT is not my "boy", I just made you my "boy". A little something for my "boy" to think about. Of last year's Top 10 ranked teams, 5 were led by one of the top 6 rushing QBs in the country. Of the top 25 teams, 7 were led by one of the top 9 rushing QBs in the country. To be a top team in today's college game, highly ranked rushing QBs are important commodities.
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Post by galion on Aug 24, 2017 3:11:21 GMT -5
Only if you don't have a quality O line and a decent stable of running backs. For the stats that you just regurgitated out there to matter all of those teams would need to run the same offense. Newsflash...they don't. Also, are you insinuating that JT's completion percentage and yardage isn't over inflated by the same plays as you claim Tebow's were? So you think that Germaine was better than Jackson but JT is better than Cardale? smh
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Post by tommygunn on Aug 24, 2017 7:37:46 GMT -5
Unless JT wins a NC this year, he will not be remembered 10 years from now. CJ will because he won a NC game and played stellar. Probably one of the best stories in college FB in the last 50 years.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 24, 2017 8:12:44 GMT -5
Unless JT wins a NC this year, he will not be remembered 10 years from now. CJ will because he won a NC game and played stellar. Probably one of the best stories in college FB in the last 50 years. Gee, if winning a National Championship is the criteria for greatness, certainly a long list of so-called 'great' college QB's of years past, need to be demoted in status.....lol That is tantamount to a long list of NFL QB's who never won a Superbowl. Guess we need to recommend the insertion of a long, long list of asterisks after QB's names in record books. Unreasonable, don't you think? And yes, J.T. will forever be remembered in the annals of Ohio State football, his records that some of which shall stand the test of time. I think much of this attitudinal phenomena by certain fans can be compared to that of a spoiled child.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 8:58:27 GMT -5
In reference to the career records I can't help but wonder how many OSU QBs have been a starter for 4 years?
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Post by tommygunn on Aug 24, 2017 13:56:45 GMT -5
Unless JT wins a NC this year, he will not be remembered 10 years from now. CJ will because he won a NC game and played stellar. Probably one of the best stories in college FB in the last 50 years. Gee, if winning a National Championship is the criteria for greatness, certainly a long list of so-called 'great' college QB's of years past, need to be demoted in status.....lol That is tantamount to a long list of NFL QB's who never won a Superbowl. Guess we need to recommend the insertion of a long, long list of asterisks after QB's names in record books. Unreasonable, don't you think? And yes, J.T. will forever be remembered in the annals of Ohio State football, his records that some of which shall stand the test of time. I think much of this attitudinal phenomena by certain fans can be compared to that of a spoiled child. He wont be remembered as one of the best. He hasn't won a big game yet. He wont get drafted and if he does, his career will be short lived, as in, he wont make the cut. There is really nothing exciting to remember him by. He will always have the asterisk by his name for not really winning anything big. Now if he goes on to win the NC game this season, different story.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 24, 2017 14:52:09 GMT -5
Gee, if winning a National Championship is the criteria for greatness, certainly a long list of so-called 'great' college QB's of years past, need to be demoted in status.....lol That is tantamount to a long list of NFL QB's who never won a Superbowl. Guess we need to recommend the insertion of a long, long list of asterisks after QB's names in record books. Unreasonable, don't you think? And yes, J.T. will forever be remembered in the annals of Ohio State football, his records that some of which shall stand the test of time. I think much of this attitudinal phenomena by certain fans can be compared to that of a spoiled child. He wont be remembered as one of the best. He hasn't won a big game yet. He wont get drafted and if he does, his career will be short lived, as in, he wont make the cut. There is really nothing exciting to remember him by. He will always have the asterisk by his name for not really winning anything big. Now if he goes on to win the NC game this season, different story. Depends on your description of 'big game'. Who really cares if he gets drafted, many great players don't get drafted and there is no market for dual-threat QB's in the NFL, unless someone gives him a shot at another position.....which is rather doubtful. I think the skeptics and doubters need to take a deep breath and let the season play out. J.T. is not finished working on his legacy at Ohio State. He has successfully concluded his academic portion, while his athletic exploits are entering his most important and final season.
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Post by tommygunn on Aug 24, 2017 15:15:17 GMT -5
I hope he proves me wrong. Id be the first to admit it.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 24, 2017 15:20:44 GMT -5
It is VERY doltish to say JT Barrett has not won a "big game". FIRST of all, the QB is just one of 22 starters on a TEAM. One of 100 players on a TEAM. There are dozens of coaches and support staff on a college football TEAM. ALL having a part in every win AND loss.
JT was the QB on the TEAMS that have beat 5 Top 25 Big Ten Teams. Those ARE "big games". JT was the QB on the TEAMS that beat Michigan the past 3 years. Those ARE "big games". JT was the QB on the TEAM that beat Notre Dame in the Fiesta Bowl. That WAS a "big game". JT was the QB on the TEAM that beat Oklahoma last year. That WAS a "big game".
Urban Meyer has SIX losses at Ohio State. Over the same 6 years Nick Saban has EIGHT losses, Dabo Swinney and Jimbo Fisher both have THIRTEEN losses. Is there one fool who thinks Urban should have a 67-0 record?? How much better should THE best be?
WHO is responsible for Nick Saban's EIGHT losses??
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