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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 7:54:21 GMT -5
To be very clear, just because some on here do not place this QB on a throne does not make someone a hater. I wish him the best this season and hope he is in the Heisman hunt come December. As a college football fan I can say I have seen better QBs play the game with less success as well as weaker ones with more success. Also, it has been pointed out on this thread sometimes the system can benefit a player tremendously. Take that and add the longevity due to other's injuries and or their future plans and you can make a successful player. I appreciate your response. No problem with skeptics and in your case, you present a great deal of objectivity. However, there are some who have expressed utter contempt for J.T. Barrett, which leaves me scratching my head. I am excited for J.T. this year, as he will be playing without the glaring deficiencies that surrounded him in 2016. I am excited as well but it would seem I have less faith than you in a single player. I hope that player can lead us to greatness this season. I have never questioned his leadership skills in the locker room or film room. But on the field, in my eyes he has managed the team not led them. As you have blamed the coaches and play calling, I feel a game leader makes something happen from bad or busted plays. I have not seen that very often. Records are a great thing but in a sport with very short careers, longevity can play a big role when the circumstances works in your favor.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 31, 2017 8:46:48 GMT -5
I appreciate your response. No problem with skeptics and in your case, you present a great deal of objectivity. However, there are some who have expressed utter contempt for J.T. Barrett, which leaves me scratching my head. I am excited for J.T. this year, as he will be playing without the glaring deficiencies that surrounded him in 2016. I am excited as well but it would seem I have less faith than you in a single player. I hope that player can lead us to greatness this season. I have never questioned his leadership skills in the locker room or film room. But on the field, in my eyes he has managed the team not led them. As you have blamed the coaches and play calling, I feel a game leader makes something happen from bad or busted plays. I have not seen that very often. Records are a great thing but in a sport with very short careers, longevity can play a big role when the circumstances works in your favor. It is not I who have pinpointed much of the blame for the obvious shortcomings of last years offense, namely the QB coach ad OC, it was Urban Meyer. J.T. is certainly a leader on the field, but he is no miracle worker and all too often he was scrambling for his life, due to breakdowns of the OL and receivers running wrong routes and not creating separation. We are fortunate to have a great athlete playing quarterback and one with an unusual knowledge for the game. I'm confident, the problems he was surrounded with last year have been rectified. I think Barrett will take full advantage of this to the Buckeye's great benefit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:09:47 GMT -5
OK, maybe saying you blamed them was incorrect but you repeated it in posts which would imply you agreed with it. I assume you understood what I was saying. Great players make plays when needed. You can blame every receiver and the entire O-line as an excuse but then give a single player credit as a field leader? OSU is known for having great athletes and many of them have played QB over the years. As for knowledge of the game I can think of a few that stand out more than the current one. The problems you mention would require new O-line coaches, new receiver coaches, a new O-line, a new core of receivers(thankful those 4 left for the NFL) I'm with you in cheering for him, but not in celebrating him for the recent Buckeye accomplishments. I agree it takes a team to win but one key position player can change a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:12:03 GMT -5
Here is a thought, in JT's best season the entire pre-season offensive game plan revolved around Braxton and his abilities. Since the plan has revolved around JT his numbers have declined.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 31, 2017 9:36:55 GMT -5
Here is a thought, in JT's best season the entire pre-season offensive game plan revolved around Braxton and his abilities. Since the plan has revolved around JT his numbers have declined. Once again, you are ignoring the circumstances that surrounded J.T. last year. He is an outstanding QB, but he needs an OL that will protect him and receivers that are willing to step up and make plays. Lastly, he is deserving of the quality of exceptional coaches that are guiding him this season.......Buckeye fans, enjoy the season!
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 31, 2017 9:51:00 GMT -5
OK, maybe saying you blamed them was incorrect but you repeated it in posts which would imply you agreed with it. I assume you understood what I was saying. Great players make plays when needed. You can blame every receiver and the entire O-line as an excuse but then give a single player credit as a field leader? OSU is known for having great athletes and many of them have played QB over the years. As for knowledge of the game I can think of a few that stand out more than the current one. The problems you mention would require new O-line coaches, new receiver coaches, a new O-line, a new core of receivers(thankful those 4 left for the NFL) I'm with you in cheering for him, but not in celebrating him for the recent Buckeye accomplishments. I agree it takes a team to win but one key position player can change a lot. J.T. made many, many great plays last year, but there were all too often, times when he was scrambling for his life. Football is a team sport and all the essential parts need to work in cohesion, to be successful. Missing parts here and there doesn't cut it. The entire OL was not the problem, the center and left side played well all season long. The right side was a different story and it began with Isiah Prince. They were overwhelmed all too frequently and it culminated in a bowl disaster against Clemson. Not the kind of performance we have come to expect from Buckeye offensive lines. Again, J.T. is not a miracle worker, when the support breaks down, the skill position players can't adequately implement the game plan. Urban, Kevin and Ryan have all expressed tha fact that J.T. has a great knowledge of the game and made comments to the fact they can see him being a head coach one day. We won eleven games last year, J.T. deserves much of the credit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:54:48 GMT -5
Here is a thought, in JT's best season the entire pre-season offensive game plan revolved around Braxton and his abilities. Since the plan has revolved around JT his numbers have declined. Once again, you are ignoring the circumstances that surrounded J.T. last year. He is an outstanding QB, but he needs an OL that will protect him and receivers that are willing to step up and make plays. Lastly, he is deserving of the quality of exceptional coaches that are guiding him this season.......Buckeye fans, enjoy the season! I'm not ignoring anything. We have 4 receivers in the NFL from last years team. The O-line was new but that is where a field leader comes into play. Making changes, calls and plays based on ability.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 10:04:38 GMT -5
OK, maybe saying you blamed them was incorrect but you repeated it in posts which would imply you agreed with it. I assume you understood what I was saying. Great players make plays when needed. You can blame every receiver and the entire O-line as an excuse but then give a single player credit as a field leader? OSU is known for having great athletes and many of them have played QB over the years. As for knowledge of the game I can think of a few that stand out more than the current one. The problems you mention would require new O-line coaches, new receiver coaches, a new O-line, a new core of receivers(thankful those 4 left for the NFL) I'm with you in cheering for him, but not in celebrating him for the recent Buckeye accomplishments. I agree it takes a team to win but one key position player can change a lot. J.T. made many, many great plays last year, but there were all too often, times when he was scrambling for his life. Football is a team sport and all the essential parts need to work in cohesion, to be successful. Missing parts here and there doesn't cut it. The entire OL was not the problem, the center and left side played well all season long. The right side was a different story and it began with Isiah Prince. They were overwhelmed all too frequently and it culminated in a bowl disaster against Clemson. Not the kind of performance we have come to expect from Buckeye offensive lines. Again, J.T. is not a miracle worker, when the support breaks down, the skill position players can't adequately implement the game plan. Urban, Kevin and Ryan have all expressed tha fact that J.T. has a great knowledge of the game and made comments to the fact they can see him being a head coach one day. We won eleven games last year, J.T. deserves much of the credit.So a single player is not to blame but a single player can deserve the credit.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 31, 2017 10:11:14 GMT -5
Once again, you are ignoring the circumstances that surrounded J.T. last year. He is an outstanding QB, but he needs an OL that will protect him and receivers that are willing to step up and make plays. Lastly, he is deserving of the quality of exceptional coaches that are guiding him this season.......Buckeye fans, enjoy the season! I'm not ignoring anything. We have 4 receivers in the NFL from last years team. The O-line was new but that is where a field leader comes into play. Making changes, calls and plays based on ability. Over simplification of a complex game, such as football is what most fans adhere to, mostly due to lack of knowledge of the game. Certainly, you don't think the receiving corp played well last year. It's way too easy to dump on the QB when the offense doesn't produce to expectations, but much harder to analyze and understand what the core problems existed that forced the QB to play under such conditions. The Big Ten coaches understood the situation with Ohio States offense, but were able to acknowledge J.T. Barretts contributions to award him with the silver football award for the QB of the year. Unlike us armchair QB's, they understand the game and understand the adverse situation Barrett had to play under last season and still win 11 games. I guess eleven wins is not a measure of success for some fans and that is simply their problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 10:21:20 GMT -5
You can toss out insults all day long but we are both fans who have knowledge of the game. At least I assume you do without a need for insulting you. I do not feel last season's team achieved what it should have. That goes for every group. It is easy to dump on a QB, just like it is easy to credit them. It comes with the position. Many individual awards can involve some politics, so I take them with that in mind.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 31, 2017 11:40:28 GMT -5
You can toss out insults all day long but we are both fans who have knowledge of the game. At least I assume you do without a need for insulting you. I do not feel last season's team achieved what it should have. That goes for every group. It is easy to dump on a QB, just like it is easy to credit them. It comes with the position. Many individual awards can involve some politics, so I take them with that in mind. Believe me, no personal insults intended. I include myself with the majority of fans with limited knowledge of the game, as compared to that of experienced college players and their coaches. I and you as well, are like most Ohio State fans last year, we expected a Big Ten Championship. We all know the disastrous blocked punt vs. Penn State changed that scenario. The malcontents posing as Ohio State fans can act like grumpy old men and refuse to enjoy these wonderful times to be a Buckeye, or they can put trust in Urban Meyer and his staff and enjoy another great season of Ohio State football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:59:46 GMT -5
I trust Urban Meyer 100%, but that does not mean I agree with 100% of his decisions.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 31, 2017 14:16:16 GMT -5
I trust Urban Meyer 100%, but that does not mean I agree with 100% of his decisions. I'm cool with that. I'm sure Urban's wife Shelley would echo the same, exact sentiment....lol
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 19, 2017 8:16:03 GMT -5
Coach Meyer just commented on an area of great concern to me from the opening kickoff of the season. The lack of distance on kickoffs puts us on par with your average high school team. Kicking to the ten yard line everytime won't cut it at this level! Blake Hauubeil has a weak leg and wonder why in the world he was recruited in the first place. Watching other teams we see balls sailing through the endzone with no chance of a return. We almost guarantee the returner will do no worse than the 30 yard line and that's unacceptable.
Like a lot of areas of concern, special teams has been a disappointment so far.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 19, 2017 17:57:01 GMT -5
Urban consider's a perfect kickoff to be much higher than normal that comes down on the goal line 5 feet from the sideline. He funnels all 11 of his kickoff team into 1/3 of the field making the gaps between those running down field less than half the size of the normal gaps. In essence MAKING the returner run back the kick off and be trapped by his eleven players inside the 20 yard line hopefully near the 15. He does not want to kick the ball deep in the end zone. Just giving the opponent the ball at the 25.
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 20, 2017 18:16:36 GMT -5
Urban better focus on the main concern, and that is JT and his horrible play against good teams
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Post by Birdman on Sept 20, 2017 20:48:00 GMT -5
It is no surprise gauging OSU's potential success this year hinges on the JT getting his head out of his ***.
I still find it very plausible they can win out this year. The only "?" Is what is the plan?? What's Urban's vision.
I have read and can see many great minds are commenting and giving a good opinion on our beloved Buckeyes.
I would like to see the reigns tightened up, in all phases, this team is extremely talented and I can't help but feel losing again is a clear mark of the coaches and players not living and playing to their potential.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 20, 2017 22:46:16 GMT -5
I trust Urban Meyer 100%, but that does not mean I agree with 100% of his decisions. Urban would agree with less than 50% of your decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 5:23:02 GMT -5
JT is adequate according to the OC.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 21, 2017 10:13:34 GMT -5
JT is adequate according to the OC. Let's be accurate and don't resort to taking partial quotes out of context. What Kevin Wilson really said: "A lot of really running guys can't throw. A lot of throw guys can't run. With J.T., he's pretty adequate at both"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 10:51:10 GMT -5
I was accurate. Does it seem odd that he used the word "adequate" many times to make his point. Never good, great, above average, best we have, the man for the job or he is our guy. Just adequate.
Adequate = sufficient for a specific need or requirement :good enough
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 21, 2017 11:25:16 GMT -5
Haskins = adequate runner - great passer Barrett = adequate runner - adequate passer
I'll take Haskins
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 21, 2017 11:28:13 GMT -5
Oh and I'd take Tom Brady too Brady = poor runner - elite passer
This is the QB position the most important thing they do is THROW the ball. If I want to run the ball I will give it to a running back so they can do what their position calls for them to be specialist in.
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Post by tommygunn on Sept 21, 2017 12:09:49 GMT -5
adequate = fancy term for avg. OSU is happy with avg qp play out of JT. Has Urban lost his balls? Or did JT swallow them?
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 21, 2017 13:47:28 GMT -5
I was accurate. Does it seem odd that he used the word "adequate" many times to make his point. Never good, great, above average, best we have, the man for the job or he is our guy. Just adequate. Adequate = sufficient for a specific need or requirement :good enough You are acting much like today's fake news media, hanging on one word, while avoiding the overall context. My hope is, the term 'adequate' will be out of Wilson's press references as the season progresses. The ruthlessness and ugliness towards J.T. is over the top.
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Post by DrTorch on Sept 21, 2017 14:34:50 GMT -5
If i got a review from my boss that said "good enough" i don't think i would sleep well that night
unless i watched the Buckeye offense when Dobbins is on the bench, then i would go right to sleep
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 21, 2017 15:46:35 GMT -5
If i got a review from my boss that said "good enough" i don't think i would sleep well that night unless i watched the Buckeye offense when Dobbins is on the bench, then i would go right to sleep Can't find disagreement with that and I understand why you guys feel the way you do. Let's all hope, our offense, Barrett and the coaches, don't give you anymore ammunition for argument. The Oklahoma performance (or lack thereof) left me with disgust.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 21, 2017 17:33:13 GMT -5
Joe Burrow after breaking his hand four weeks ago when he was the backup QB is now 90% and co-backup with Haskins on the depth chart for the UNLV game.
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Post by sportsjock on Sept 21, 2017 23:12:51 GMT -5
The future at QB is bright for the Buckeyes. Haskin's played with poise and his passing abilities were impressive when he was called upon vs. Army. It will be good to see Joe Burrow available as well. There's been a lot of wrong cuts and routes by the young receivers, that will improve and elevate the passing game.
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Post by Rambo McClain on Sept 22, 2017 6:54:58 GMT -5
There's been a lot of wrong cuts and routes by the young receivers, that will improve and elevate the passing game. You guys have been blaming the receivers for 3 straight years now. The first year you could get away with it, the 2nd year people were iffy, now in the 3rd year no one is buying it. The problem is JT Barrett IV. Oklahoma's receivers were freshman, Oklahoma's receivers messed up plenty in that game, and Mayfield didn't let it faze him nor use it as an excuse, he just went out and got it done. You claim it's been 3 straight years of bad receivers (of which many were drafted in the NFL draft), the reality is it's been 3 straight years of bad QB play by a QB that will not get drafted in the NFL draft?
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