chs71
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Post by chs71 on Oct 16, 2019 20:00:15 GMT -5
The OHSAA is a GOVERNING over the athletics...No the GOVERNMENT. Lets do away with the OHSAA and have nothing? If the OHSAA is not going to follow it's own rules then you have nothing, or anarchy. It was the judge who restored order. To clarify, if the law says that a particular student can attend a particular school then I believe that student should be eligible to participate in all of the school activities, and the rules of a non-government agency should not be contrary to that. Parents should have the freedom to do what they think is best for their child, and they should not be required to do what you think is best for your child, or your team.
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 16, 2019 21:16:04 GMT -5
Athletics do not fall under FAPE...there's confusion amongst people that athletics and public education are one of the same. They are not.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 16, 2019 22:18:11 GMT -5
The OHSAA is a GOVERNING over the athletics...No the GOVERNMENT. Lets do away with the OHSAA and have nothing? OHSAA is fine with administrative tasks like setting divisions, running tourneys, certifying refs, etc. What they should not be doing is declaring kids ineligible to play a sport at a public school. Coaches are paid by the taxpayers, Facilities and equipment is taxpayer funded. A private organization shouldn't be able to ban kids from that. Eligibility decisions should be made by public employees such as principals, AD's and school boards. No kid whose attends public school should be forbidden to play sports unless there is an issue with discipline, health or grades. Local schools have handled those issues for years. If recruiting is happening, go after the adults involved. If they are school employees fire them. If they are boosters ban them from school property. Stop punishing kids for the decisions of adults.
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Post by dude on Oct 17, 2019 5:08:56 GMT -5
OHSAA is fine with administrative tasks like setting divisions, running tourneys, certifying refs, etc. What they should not be doing is declaring kids ineligible to play a sport at a public school. Coaches are paid by the taxpayers, Facilities and equipment is taxpayer funded. A private organization shouldn't be able to ban kids from that. Eligibility decisions should be made by public employees such as principals, AD's and school boards. No kid whose attends public school should be forbidden to play sports unless there is an issue with discipline, health or grades. Local schools have handled those issues for years. If recruiting is happening, go after the adults involved. If they are school employees fire them. If they are boosters ban them from school property. Stop punishing kids for the decisions of adults. To be clear, isn't it true that any school could ignore the OHSAA rules and allow a kid to play a full season of any sport they choose during a regular season. From what I have seen the ONLY real thing OHSAA can forbid anyone from doing is participate in post season. And that is a choice that every school makes when they join the OHSAA club. For what it's worth I agree with about everything you posted.
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Post by Whittaker on Oct 17, 2019 6:09:46 GMT -5
OHSAA is fine with administrative tasks like setting divisions, running tourneys, certifying refs, etc. What they should not be doing is declaring kids ineligible to play a sport at a public school. Coaches are paid by the taxpayers, Facilities and equipment is taxpayer funded. A private organization shouldn't be able to ban kids from that. Eligibility decisions should be made by public employees such as principals, AD's and school boards. No kid whose attends public school should be forbidden to play sports unless there is an issue with discipline, health or grades. Local schools have handled those issues for years. If recruiting is happening, go after the adults involved. If they are school employees fire them. If they are boosters ban them from school property. Stop punishing kids for the decisions of adults. To be clear, isn't it true that any school could ignore the OHSAA rules and allow a kid to play a full season of any sport they choose during a regular season. From what I have seen the ONLY real thing OHSAA can forbid anyone from doing is participate in post season. And that is a choice that every school makes when they join the OHSAA club. For what it's worth I agree with about everything you posted. True. OHSAA really doesn't have any power itself. It has no authority from law or mandate from voters. Individual schools have delegated some of their power over local sports to OHSAA to better serve school sports collectively. And this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Some things in high school sports work much better through central administration. The problem, in my view, is the delegation of the power of individual schools to determine which kids can play local sports while still keeping eligibility for the entire school. Local schools should not delegate that authority they have by law. The kids and their parents deserve to have those serious decisions made by local officials who are accountable to local voters and taxpayers through levy's and the local school board. OHSAA is an unaccountable bureaucracy that has grown over time to control more and more aspects of school sports. That's what bureaucracies do...they get bigger and make more rules. When that bureaucracy is private we, as citizens, don't have the means to limit that bureaucracy through elections or tax levies. We have now reached the point where OHSAA can punish an entire school because one parent moved in an unapproved manner. That is asinine.
I think it makes sense that a parent shouldn't have to worry about their kids participating fully in school activities because some private organization(OHSAA) didn't approve of why the family moved.
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Post by dolittle on Oct 17, 2019 8:13:48 GMT -5
The OHSAA enforces the rules that the member schools who voted the rules in place right?
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Post by kingmartinez on Oct 17, 2019 20:31:16 GMT -5
It sounds like this will not be resolved, if at all, until after the football season. The OHSAA may not even do anything but let it ride behind the idea they did what they needed to.
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Post by CEOSouth on Oct 18, 2019 13:59:20 GMT -5
It sounds like this will not be resolved, if at all, until after the football season. The OHSAA may not even do anything but let it ride behind the idea they did what they needed to. Based on this from the Sandusky Register article: OHSAA director of communications Tim Stried was not aware of the court’s ruling when the Register contacted him on Friday. Stried declined to comment on the nature and details of the Dowlings’ lawsuit until the OHSAA sees the court documents, but Stried did say the Dowlings’ case isn’t the first case in which an opposing party has filed a lawsuit against the OHSAA and won a favorable court ruling. Cases such as these are brought to court “a few times a year,” according to Stried. And typically, Stried says the OHSAA challenges these rulings in a trial, which typically last one day. Until the trial, though, the Dowlings would be eligible to play football and basketball for Oak Harbor. And scheduling the trial can be half the battle. , it would seem that OHSAA deals with cases like these a few times a year. But I agree with your other statement that this may not get resolved until after the Football Season.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 18, 2019 15:30:07 GMT -5
Whittaker has changed my mind on one point. That is whenever in a gray area we should err on the side of individual freedom. If you don’t agree with that we should always err on the side of kids. Most dumb decisions weren’t their decisions so they shouldn’t be punished. If the decisions were theirs they were made under the influence of adults who are supposed to be teaching them to know better.
He hasn’t changed my mind that this is a dangerous precedent to set that has a significant chance to be detrimental to high school sports. Also the kids he cited that are using transfers to get a scholarship and make a better life are not going to have the resources to hire an attorney like this family.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 18, 2019 16:54:05 GMT -5
Whittaker has changed my mind on one point. That is whenever in a gray area we should err on the side of individual freedom. If you don’t agree with that we should always err on the side of kids. Most dumb decisions weren’t their decisions so they shouldn’t be punished. If the decisions were theirs they were made under the influence of adults who are supposed to be teaching them to know better. He hasn’t changed my mind that this is a dangerous precedent to set that has a significant chance to be detrimental to high school sports. Also the kids he cited that are using transfers to get a scholarship and make a better life are not going to have the resources to hire an attorney like this family. Any OH players that have an an attorney parent that would have represented the twins Pro Bono?
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 18, 2019 17:43:20 GMT -5
Whittaker has changed my mind on one point. That is whenever in a gray area we should err on the side of individual freedom. If you don’t agree with that we should always err on the side of kids. Most dumb decisions weren’t their decisions so they shouldn’t be punished. If the decisions were theirs they were made under the influence of adults who are supposed to be teaching them to know better. He hasn’t changed my mind that this is a dangerous precedent to set that has a significant chance to be detrimental to high school sports. Also the kids he cited that are using transfers to get a scholarship and make a better life are not going to have the resources to hire an attorney like this family. Any OH players that have an an attorney parent that would have represented the twins Pro Bono? I was referring to some intercity underprivileged kid or a rural poor kid.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 18, 2019 19:29:27 GMT -5
The more money you have the more connections you have, the more money you have the more free stuff you get, that you never turn down.
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Post by CEOSouth on Oct 21, 2019 15:31:31 GMT -5
OHSAA's "ANSWER OF DEFENDANT OHIO HIGH SCHOOL ATHLIC ASSOCIATION FILED. (S CRAIG)" has been posted on the Ottawa County website.
You will need the "9/6/2019 COMPLAINT FILED ASSESSED $35.00. (R GEMBALA)" file to follow along.
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chs71
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Post by chs71 on Oct 22, 2019 13:27:51 GMT -5
Athletics do not fall under FAPE...there's confusion amongst people that athletics and public education are one of the same. They are not. I missed the post about disabilities.
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Post by 1percenter on Oct 24, 2019 12:33:30 GMT -5
What ever happened to playing for the friends you grew up with? Teenagers no longer have loyalty to their childhood friends. A lot of teenagers today are like, "Sorry Jimmy but you stink at football so I'm going to go play at our rival so I can beat chumps like you instead of playing along side you." I root for Florida QB, Kyle Trask. Kyle Trask is a 4th year junior at the University of Florida. Do you guys know the last time he started a football game at QB before this year? Answer: His FRESHMAN year of HIGH SCHOOL on the JV team. This kid NEVER started a Varsity High School football game and still got a FULL RIDE to a MAJOR D-1 college. If you are good colleges will find you, you don't have to transfer to your rival. From USA Today article www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2019/10/10/floridas-kyle-trask-didnt-start-high-school-now-leads-gators/3924353002/
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 24, 2019 13:57:44 GMT -5
^^^^^What happened to playing with friends and being loyal?
Let's ask their parents/family.
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Post by Hummingbird on Oct 24, 2019 16:22:29 GMT -5
^^^^^What happened to playing with friends and being loyal? Let's ask their parents/family. Do you think playing at Clyde (where they play St. Francis who has multiple kids with D1 offers, Norwalk, and Sandusky - or any Lake school for that matter) was not going to get them exposure to schools watching film vs Oak Harbor who play no one who has any kind of D1 player?
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 24, 2019 16:33:57 GMT -5
^^^^^What happened to playing with friends and being loyal? Let's ask their parents/family. Do you think playing at Clyde (where they play St. Francis who has multiple kids with D1 offers, Norwalk, and Sandusky - or any Lake school for that matter) was not going to get them exposure to schools watching film vs Oak Harbor who play no one who has any kind of D1 player?My opinion on this doesn't matter. It was a general statement regarding parents who think their kids are all-stars and/or have unrealistic expectations.
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Post by Hummingbird on Oct 24, 2019 17:09:41 GMT -5
Do you think playing at Clyde (where they play St. Francis who has multiple kids with D1 offers, Norwalk, and Sandusky - or any Lake school for that matter) was not going to get them exposure to schools watching film vs Oak Harbor who play no one who has any kind of D1 player? My opinion on this doesn't matter. It was a general statement regarding parents who think their kids are all-stars and/or have unrealistic expectations. I agree with you guy.
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Post by dude on Oct 30, 2019 12:02:15 GMT -5
So is this done? Are they cleared for everything in all sports?
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