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Post by Kokomo on Nov 30, 2020 10:58:38 GMT -5
He was incredible at taking average talent and making them into a good team. Many coaches have that ability. But nothing indicates John Wooden could be successful coaching in todays game. Why would anyone think Haas couldn’t coach today’s game? Let alone Wooden? Are you kidding me. Why are there haters whenever anyone ever mentions Haas act like he was never a big deal? Let the State Championships messages start ringing. That’s the only negative anyone has to say. In his time when anyone in any city in Ohio mentioned Willard they knew of the great basketball program it was. Kids from all over would attend his summer camp. Why old school coaches would be affective now IMO is explained in 2 words Fundamentals and Defense.
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Post by truecrimson on Nov 30, 2020 11:32:14 GMT -5
Many coaches have that ability. But nothing indicates John Wooden could be successful coaching in todays game. Why would anyone think Haas couldn’t coach today’s game? Let alone Wooden? Are you kidding me. Why are there haters whenever anyone ever mentions Haas act like he was never a big deal? Let the State Championships messages start ringing. That’s the only negative anyone has to say. In his time when anyone in any city in Ohio mentioned Willard they knew of the great basketball program it was. Kids from all over would attend his summer camp. Why old school coaches would be affective now IMO is explained in 2 words Fundamentals and Defense. You don't see Willard making cuts any longer. I'm sure Haas never had issues like that and I'm not sure if it is the sign of the times or something else. And if they do, it is for some odd reason, because it sure isn't because of numbers. I looked at the paper and saw there were something like 6 on the freshman team, 6. Half of the JV and Varsity teams are made up of underclassman. I don't know the reason but for some reason kids are not going out. The new freshman coach, is he the same kid that graduated from Willard a few years back? I saw you spoke of the guard in a recent post that decided after a lifetime of playing he was hanging it, that is too bad.
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Post by dude on Nov 30, 2020 12:07:16 GMT -5
Many coaches have that ability. But nothing indicates John Wooden could be successful coaching in todays game. Why would anyone think Haas couldn’t coach today’s game? Let alone Wooden? Are you kidding me. Why are there haters whenever anyone ever mentions Haas act like he was never a big deal? Let the State Championships messages start ringing. That’s the only negative anyone has to say. In his time when anyone in any city in Ohio mentioned Willard they knew of the great basketball program it was. Kids from all over would attend his summer camp. Why old school coaches would be affective now IMO is explained in 2 words Fundamentals and Defense. I have nothing negative to say about Haas. He was a great coach and is a great person. The first of those two compliments has not been a part of Willard basketball for over 25 years. Todays game and more importantly the kids are not the same as it was in the 80's and early 90's. Old school coaches DO coach today but they are coaching 2020 kids and that is not the same as 1990 kids. But, my responses about the Haas comments every year are because I feel sad for the coaches and players who are compared to a coach and teams from 30 years ago that no kid on the roster has any memory of. Although Mick Cronin may see a photo of John Wooden every day when he walks in the gym, nobody compares Mick or his players to Wooden or his Bruins.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 30, 2020 14:38:49 GMT -5
Why would anyone think Haas couldn’t coach today’s game? Let alone Wooden? Are you kidding me. Why are there haters whenever anyone ever mentions Haas act like he was never a big deal? Let the State Championships messages start ringing. That’s the only negative anyone has to say. In his time when anyone in any city in Ohio mentioned Willard they knew of the great basketball program it was. Kids from all over would attend his summer camp. Why old school coaches would be affective now IMO is explained in 2 words Fundamentals and Defense. You don't see Willard making cuts any longer. I'm sure Haas never had issues like that and I'm not sure if it is the sign of the times or something else. And if they do, it is for some odd reason, because it sure isn't because of numbers. I looked at the paper and saw there were something like 6 on the freshman team, 6. Half of the JV and Varsity teams are made up of underclassman. I don't know the reason but for some reason kids are not going out. The new freshman coach, is he the same kid that graduated from Willard a few years back? I saw you spoke of the guard in a recent post that decided after a lifetime of playing he was hanging it, that is too bad. Doesn't Willard have a considerable lower enrollment than 35 years ago? Kids are more aware today than 35 years ago, they can see the handwriting on the wall and don't want to be the kid at the end of the bench today. So they "cut" themselves. Making it easy on coaches. Ontario has a starter this year they couldn't run off. He got cut in 7th grade, not good enough to make the 15 player roster. Made the 15 player roster as an 8th grader, since some on the 7th grade team didn't go out as 8th graders. Made the Freshman team, but didn't play much. As a Soph made the JV team but didn't play much. As a Junior he was a part time starter on the JV team. This year as a Senior he's a Varsity starter, primarily for his defense and hard nosed hustle. A rarity these days.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 2, 2020 8:18:38 GMT -5
Fillmore on point 100%. Good Post sir. I would be curious to know the enrollment in 1980 vs 2020.
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Post by truecrimson on Dec 2, 2020 8:43:48 GMT -5
Fillmore on point 100%. Good Post sir. I would be curious to know the enrollment in 1980 vs 2020. I'm sure the enrollment is about 60% of what it use to be from 1980-2020. You always seem to have such a robust middle school program (regardless of what that enrollment # is) and when kids get to high school their interest can change and also there are more opportunities in the higher grades. I never like to see or hear kids get ran off or pushed out of a program for things like kokomo posted about the point guard getting bullied by other players, that just sucks. They'll get better as the season goes along and kids will step up and find their place. Again, leadership will be a thing that some of these kids will need to learn, and quick, because there will be a need for it to get through the first part of the season. Watching a stream isn't the same as being in the gym but it will have to do this year.
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Post by dcan on Dec 2, 2020 8:46:07 GMT -5
Fillmore on point 100%. Good Post sir. I would be curious to know the enrollment in 1980 vs 2020. I'm sure the enrollment is about 60% of what it use to be from 1980-2020. You always seem to have such a robust middle school program (regardless of what that enrollment # is) and when kids get to high school their interest can change and also there are more opportunities in the higher grades. I never like to see or hear kids get ran off or pushed out of a program for things like kokomo posted about the point guard getting bullied by other players, that just sucks. They'll get better as the season goes along and kids will step up and find their place. Again, leadership will be a thing that some of these kids will need to learn, and quick, because there will be a need for it to get through the first part of the season. Watching a stream isn't the same as being in the gym but it will have to do this year. I wouldn't want to go to Willard either.
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Post by dude on Dec 2, 2020 9:49:32 GMT -5
Willard Schools headcount 1980 = 2280 2020 = 1445
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Post by truecrimson on Dec 2, 2020 14:04:07 GMT -5
Willard Schools headcount 1980 = 2280 2020 = 1445 This is 63.37719% Not a bad guess I had (yes, that is me patting myself on the back)
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 2, 2020 14:27:09 GMT -5
I'd like to know if that .37719 is a potential roundballer. I surmise it was more than a good guess. In any case, that's 65% fewer boys in the high school. Even Coach Haas would find that problematic in fielding 20 win seasons year after year.
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Post by dude on Dec 2, 2020 14:28:39 GMT -5
Willard Schools headcount 1980 = 2280 2020 = 1445 This is 63.37719% Not a bad guess I had (yes, that is me patting myself on the back) Years ago I can remember a Willard citizen telling me the migrant students used to be included in the enrollment numbers, but then they would move away before winter and the count forced Willard to play in larger divisions. This has also changed in the last 5+/- years in the way the schools are counting.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 2, 2020 15:41:48 GMT -5
Willard isn't the only SBC that has an issue with numbers. Unless there were kids out for being contact traced or other health issues. I saw that Norwalk, a much larger school, when they played Ashland only had 8 on the Freshman team and 6 on the JV team.
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Post by Kokomo on Dec 2, 2020 22:29:09 GMT -5
I'm sure the enrollment is about 60% of what it use to be from 1980-2020. You always seem to have such a robust middle school program (regardless of what that enrollment # is) and when kids get to high school their interest can change and also there are more opportunities in the higher grades. I never like to see or hear kids get ran off or pushed out of a program for things like kokomo posted about the point guard getting bullied by other players, that just sucks. They'll get better as the season goes along and kids will step up and find their place. Again, leadership will be a thing that some of these kids will need to learn, and quick, because there will be a need for it to get through the first part of the season. Watching a stream isn't the same as being in the gym but it will have to do this year. I wouldn't want to go to Willard either. Good.
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Post by dcan on Dec 3, 2020 9:15:16 GMT -5
I wouldn't want to go to Willard either. Good. At this point I think it's Willard's goal to stoop down to the river division just so they can bring home more titles. I heard they're encouraging people to leave Willard if they aren't ball players, if they haven't already left due to the poverty and drug presence in the town. I hope Willard does make it to the River division, it will be that much more satisfying when they get taken to the shed by those smaller schools.
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Post by truecrimson on Dec 3, 2020 9:57:55 GMT -5
At this point I think it's Willard's goal to stoop down to the river division just so they can bring home more titles. I heard they're encouraging people to leave Willard if they aren't ball players, if they haven't already left due to the poverty and drug presence in the town. I hope Willard does make it to the River division, it will be that much more satisfying when they get taken to the shed by those smaller schools. This is going to be a fun year with you on here this season. I, for one, will enjoy all the back and forth banter, especially once Crimson5 starts to chime in. Time to sit back and watch some fireworks. Thank you so much for joining this party.
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Post by Kokomo on Dec 3, 2020 12:53:35 GMT -5
At this point I think it's Willard's goal to stoop down to the river division just so they can bring home more titles. I heard they're encouraging people to leave Willard if they aren't ball players, if they haven't already left due to the poverty and drug presence in the town. I hope Willard does make it to the River division, it will be that much more satisfying when they get taken to the shed by those smaller schools. 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Now you’re just being silly.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 3, 2020 17:41:17 GMT -5
Correction.....sillier
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Post by perwalk on Dec 3, 2020 17:57:45 GMT -5
Has Willard played any games?
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Post by perwalk on Dec 3, 2020 18:03:01 GMT -5
Is Crimson5 still looking at an 18-4 season for Willard???
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Post by dcan on Dec 3, 2020 18:03:31 GMT -5
Willy, Yeah your Ontario boys put on a show the other night. Yeah MY Tigers took a beating. Do you really think that is going to stop them from bringing home the title? If anything the Tigers had this coming. They know they're the best team in the division and it went to their heads. Don't let this little slip up from Huron go to your head now. I would hate to see such a good bridge player like you get their heart broken by a less than capable Ontario ball club. If I were you I would stick to the cards and realize that is your expertise. The only thing thats getting sillier is your senile old head. Take a break, I know 2020 and the Kung Flu has taken a toll on you, don't make it any worse on yourself.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Dec 3, 2020 18:17:07 GMT -5
decon,
No "show" by Ontario, more like an expected poor performance by a young Huron team.....lessons learned. I thought they would be more coached up. My secondary "expertise" comes from watching almost all of Balogh's close to 600 wins. Quit sniffing the decon, it's hindering your ability to see str8.
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Post by shed on Dec 3, 2020 20:05:16 GMT -5
decon, No "show" by Ontario, more like an expected poor performance by a young Huron team.....lessons learned. I thought they would be more coached up. My secondary "expertise" comes from watching almost all of Balogh's close to 600 wins. Quit sniffing the decon, it's hindering your ability to see str8. oh silly willy, little do you know about expertise. Once you realize that your mediocre division II basketball team has not earned much more than a league title, you can check the Tigers playoff resume and see the plenty of state appearances. for goods sake, Cody Thompson is from Huron. I did see big dopy cam Todd picking his snoz on the bench. Careful with that virus, willy and the boys.
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Post by perwalk on Dec 3, 2020 20:12:10 GMT -5
decon, No "show" by Ontario, more like an expected poor performance by a young Huron team.....lessons learned. I thought they would be more coached up. My secondary "expertise" comes from watching almost all of Balogh's close to 600 wins. Quit sniffing the decon, it's hindering your ability to see str8. oh silly willy, little do you know about expertise. Once you realize that your mediocre division II basketball team has not earned much more than a league title, you can check the Tigers playoff resume and see the plenty of state appearances. for goods sake, Cody Thompson is from Huron. I did see big dopy cam Todd picking his snoz on the bench. Careful with that virus, willy and the boys. No clue what this dude is smoking or spewing talking about Huron and state appearances 😵😵😵 lost me
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Post by dcan on Dec 3, 2020 20:19:04 GMT -5
oh silly willy, little do you know about expertise. Once you realize that your mediocre division II basketball team has not earned much more than a league title, you can check the Tigers playoff resume and see the plenty of state appearances. for goods sake, Cody Thompson is from Huron. I did see big dopy cam Todd picking his snoz on the bench. Careful with that virus, willy and the boys. No clue what this dude is smoking or spewing talking about Huron and state appearances 😵😵😵 lost me He's definitely smoking something. Drugs these days are no joke.
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Post by buckeyekid on Dec 3, 2020 20:52:10 GMT -5
One team made shots from 3 and one team didn't. One team makes pressure FT's and one team didn't. Carey by 3. Willard had a wide open 3 at the buzzer in and out. Willard over subbed a smidge imo. Hurt their continuity. Eh--first game. Get in the gym and keep grinding.
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Post by jmorgret07 on Dec 3, 2020 20:54:03 GMT -5
Carey: 64 Willard: 61 FINAL
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Post by bigox on Dec 3, 2020 21:12:07 GMT -5
Carey: 64 Willard: 61 FINAL Ouch.
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Post by dcan on Dec 3, 2020 21:27:04 GMT -5
Not surprised
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Post by dude on Dec 3, 2020 21:45:03 GMT -5
Carey: 64 Willard: 61 FINAL This has to be a shock as Carey lost by over 40 last year.
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Post by crimson5 on Dec 3, 2020 21:57:31 GMT -5
Is Crimson5 still looking at an 18-4 season for Willard??? Don't believe I ever predicted an 18-4 season. I did say 14 wins is very realistic, and I still do. I'll admit, tonite was 1 of my 14 wins and I thought we'd shoot from the perimeter much better than we did. I think we made 2 jumpers outside 15 feet all night, one by Max Dawson and one by Micah Dawson. Bottom line, if we make 50% of our free throws we win by 1. I believe we were 7-22 from the charity stripe.
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