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Post by Rambo McClain on May 7, 2020 10:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 7, 2020 12:11:56 GMT -5
Day late, my wife showed this to me yesterday.
My conclusion was...As a last resort, one can say anything they want on YouTube to sell a book. If an earth shattering truth, where's a cable news channel on this? Both Dems, Republicans and the Chinese are ignoring her?
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Post by fbfan on May 7, 2020 15:16:03 GMT -5
Youtube took it down. Big Brother is watching, so there must be something to it!
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 7, 2020 20:12:45 GMT -5
Day late, my wife showed this to me yesterday. My conclusion was...As a last resort, one can say anything they want on YouTube to sell a book. If an earth shattering truth, where's a cable news channel on this? Both Dems, Republicans and the Chinese are ignoring her? Agreed.. Beware the magical cure, the simple and convenient truths, and the hidden profit motives! If I wouldn't buy a house by watching a YouTube video of one, I certainly won't be buying my conspiracy theories via YouTube.
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Post by bat21 on May 8, 2020 9:05:21 GMT -5
There are plenty of conspiracy theories out there ... this is one more log on the fire.
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Post by fbfan on May 12, 2020 10:32:35 GMT -5
An "anecdotal" testimonial from the Bucyrus police chief, who was diagnosed with the virus, as reported in the Bucyrus Telegraph Forum. As pointed out in the video above, the treatment he received has been discredited by the medical "experts". IMO because there is no money in it for them. If I get sick with this virus I hope that I am able to get the HCQ treatment early on like the chief did, instead of waiting until I'm critical and need a ventilator:
When his COVID-19 symptoms got to the point where he couldn't breathe without coughing, Bucyrus' police chief knew it was time to get help.
Speaking by phone Thursday, Chief David Koepke said he was "still not 100%, but much, much better."
Koepke said he first became ill on April 21, with fever and body pains. He tested positive for COVID-19, the illness caused by the novel coronavirus.
Bucyrus Mayor Jeff Reser has described Koepke as having been "the leader in social distancing and sanitizing" before he became ill.
"All I could speculate is I was just out around town, probably shopping somewhere — that's the only time I was around people," Koepke said of how he contracted the illness. "Probably while I was just shopping somewhere in Bucyrus."
The symptoms intensified until the middle of last week, when Koepke went to a hospital, where he was treated as an outpatient.
"I just had to spend a few hours at the hospital, two different days," he said. "One of the triggers to be an in-patient is oxygen. They were monitoring that real close and making sure it wasn't dipping."
In addition to the monitoring of his blood oxygen level, he had blood tests, lung X-rays and scans of his lungs, he said. "It was definitely going after my lungs and breathing."
He started taking "that controversial — which the doctor said it really wasn't controversial — compound prescription of zinc and hydroxychloroquine."
"The coronavirus does not like zinc, so it leaves the lungs, coronavirus does, and gives the medicine a chance to work," he said. "And it worked just like the doctor described it would.
"I was able to resume breathing without coughing, because at that point, when I went to the hospital — it's been seven days — I wasn't breathing without coughing, essentially.
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Post by Birdman on May 12, 2020 20:05:55 GMT -5
I watched that video and I too have been and am always a little skeptical on conspiracy theories. With that being said, I do believe there is potentially billions to be made at the expense of the corona virus. You have to have been living under a rock to not see hospitals and pharmaceutical companies care more about the $$$, than the patient. It also shows when lobbyist in the last 20 years have given hundreds of million into billions of dollars to get and keep the right people in Washington to keep things in their corner.
Whether you believe that video or the CDC AND WHO, one thing is for sure. Your rights no matter how small or minor it may be, have been stripped because of this virus and that isn’t right.
If this video is right, I believe there is a sinister plot that goes along with it. I don’t know if it’s the Alex Jones scenario, but even a caveman can see money runs power and power controls the money.
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Post by Rambo McClain on May 21, 2020 8:16:51 GMT -5
Have any of you searched "hCG vaccine laced"? - hCG is a hormone they use that makes women's bodies think they are pregnant and therefore don't get pregnant. - If you search "hCG vaccine laced", the 1st thing that pops up is a 1995 piece about how Mexico and a few other countries say their tetanus vaccines were laced with hCG. - Scroll down a tad and you will find a new claim by Kenya that their tetanus vaccines were laced with hCG. - WHO (World Heath Organization) supplied these vaccines to those countries and claims they didn't lace anything (of course) - Snopes repeats WHO and says that Mexico, Philippines, Kenya, etc are all lying countries and WHO is telling the truth Normal way tetanus vaccines are done on adults- Get a 1st shot - At least 4 weeks later get 2nd shot - Then 6 to 12 months later get 3rd and final shot - Can get a 4th booster shot 10 years later
What WHO was up to - 1994 Mexico, Philippines, Nicaragua and Tanzania claim their tetanus vaccines were laced with hCG - 1995 WHO will not submit tetanus vaccines for analysis - 1995 WHO cancels their Kenya campaign - 2013 WHO starts Kenya tetanus vaccine campaign
- In 2014 3 independent Nairobi accredited biochemistry laboratories tested samples from vials of the WHO tetanus vaccine and found hCG - Again in 2014 6 more vials were tested at 6 different laboratories and half of them contained hCG - WHO then provided 52 vials that were tested and none contained hCG (of course)
- Above I listed the normal way tetanus vaccines are administered
- In Kenya the vaccine was given 5 times separated by 6 months each time - Interestingly that's the same schedule listed by WHO for their birth control vaccine
- On Feb. 10, 2010 Bill Gates said this "The world today has 6.8 billion people. That’s headed up to about 9 billion. Now, if we do a really great job on new vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by, perhaps, 10 or 15 percent."
^^^That's right, vaccines to lower World population. Thanks Billy boy Gates. I wonder what you are putting in the vaccines?
- WHO was also only administering tetanus shots to women. Hmmm, so men can't get tetanus?
And here is an article from 2014 in the Washington Post about India having their vaccines tainted.
And here is an article from 2018 in Reuters about India having their polio vaccine tainted
^^^Don't worry though, WHO says it's no big deal And India's typhoid vaccine were also "not of standard quality"
And here's one from Denmark in 2003, where their polio vaccines where tainted with a Simian Virus 40
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Post by fbfan on May 21, 2020 13:00:52 GMT -5
I think the Chinese Communist Party ordered their puppet at the WHO to help them cover up the release of the virus, and then help facilitate it's spread to the rest the world by supporting the false claims and information given out by the CCP.
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Post by fbfan on May 26, 2020 11:52:35 GMT -5
News report by the Associated Press:
By MARIA CHENG and JAMEY KEATEN Associated Press GENEVA (AP) — The World Health Organization said Monday that it will temporarily drop hydroxychloroquine — the anti-malarial drug U.S. President Trump says he is taking — from its global study into experimental COVID-19 treatments, saying that its experts need to review all available evidence to date. In a press briefing, WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that in light of a paper published last week in the Lancet that showed people taking hydroxychloroquine were at higher risk of death and heart problems, there would be “a temporary pause” on the hydroxychloroquine arm of its global clinical trial. “This concern relates to the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine in COVID-19,” Tedros said, adding that the drugs are approved treatments for people with malaria or autoimmune diseases. Other treatments in the trial, including the experimental drug remdesivir and an HIV combination therapy, are still being tested. Tedros said the executive group behind WHO’s global “Solidarity” trial met on Saturday and decided to conduct a comprehensive review of all available data on hydroxychloroquine and that its use in the trial would be suspended for now. Dr. Michael Ryan, WHO’s emergencies chief, said there was no indication of any safety problems with hydroxychloroquine in the WHO trial to date, but that statisticians would now analyze the information. “We’re just acting on an abundance of caution based on the recent results of all the studies to ensure that we can continue safely with that arm of the trial,” he said. WHO said it expected to have more details within the next two weeks. Last week, Trump announced he was taking hydroxychloroquine although he has not tested positive for COVID-19. His own administration has warned the drug can have deadly side effects, and both the European Medicines Agency and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration warned health professionals last month that the drug should not be used to treat COVID-19 outside of hospital or research settings due to numerous serious side effects that in some cases can be fatal. Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are approved for treating lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and for preventing and treating malaria, but no large rigorous tests have found them safe or effective for preventing or treating COVID-19.
If there is no indication of any safety problems, why is the WHO stopping a trial "to insure that we can continue safely"? Could it be that early results of the trial are not to the WHO's liking? Need some time to massage some new data? Could it be that there is no $$$ in pushing the old established HCQ over the other new, what will be expensive, drugs? What does the "WHO's global "Solidarity" mean? "If you took Xi, leader of the Chinese Communist Party, held him upside down and shook him, the WHO director-general Tedros would fall out of his pocket to the ground." as one U.S. Senator said.
If the FDA thinks that the "serious side effects that in some cases can be fatal" of HCQ require it be used only in hospital or research settings, why aren't they saying the same thing about it being prescribed for lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and malaria? Millions of people all over the world have taken HCQ outside of a hospital and for many years, for those purposes.
Follow the $$$ on this one.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 15, 2020 13:23:18 GMT -5
News report from USA Today: WASHINGTON — The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is revoking its emergency authorization for malaria drugs promoted by President Donald Trump for treating COVID-19 amid growing evidence they don’t work and could cause deadly side effects.
The agency said Monday that the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are unlikely to be effective in treating the coronavirus. Citing reports of heart complications, the FDA said the drugs pose a greater risk to patients than any potential benefits. The decades-old drugs, also prescribed for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, can cause heart rhythm problems, severely low blood pressure and muscle or nerve damage.
The move means that shipments of the drugs obtained by the federal government will no longer be distributed to state and local health authorities. The drugs are still available for alternate uses, so U.S. doctors could still prescribe them for COVID-19 — a practice known as off-label prescribing. On Thursday, a National Institutes of Health expert panel revised its guidelines to specifically recommend against the drug’s use except in formal studies.More hypocrisy.......Reports???...... Where is the "study" the experts said was needed for any recommendation, after the hundreds of "reports" that indicated HCQ helped people with the covid-19 virus were discounted and discredited (after Trump advocated for it). The "experts" have been wrong and flip flopped so many times during this crisis, that I'm tending to believe what I hear from my barber more.
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Post by dude on Jun 16, 2020 11:56:34 GMT -5
Very disappointing.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 16, 2020 13:35:15 GMT -5
News report from USA Today: WASHINGTON — The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is revoking its emergency authorization for malaria drugs promoted by President Donald Trump for treating COVID-19 amid growing evidence they don’t work and could cause deadly side effects.
The agency said Monday that the drugs hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are unlikely to be effective in treating the coronavirus. Citing reports of heart complications, the FDA said the drugs pose a greater risk to patients than any potential benefits. The decades-old drugs, also prescribed for lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, can cause heart rhythm problems, severely low blood pressure and muscle or nerve damage.
The move means that shipments of the drugs obtained by the federal government will no longer be distributed to state and local health authorities. The drugs are still available for alternate uses, so U.S. doctors could still prescribe them for COVID-19 — a practice known as off-label prescribing. On Thursday, a National Institutes of Health expert panel revised its guidelines to specifically recommend against the drug’s use except in formal studies.More hypocrisy.......Reports???...... Where is the "study" the experts said was needed for any recommendation, after the hundreds of "reports" that indicated HCQ helped people with the covid-19 virus were discounted and discredited (after Trump advocated for it). The "experts" have been wrong and flip flopped so many times during this crisis, that I'm tending to believe what I hear from my barber more. Don't be fooled, the Gates foundation is behind this BS.
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Post by fbfan on Jun 17, 2020 19:47:42 GMT -5
Dr. Fauci has finally admitted that early on in the pandemic, Americans were misled about the value of wearing a face mask. We were told that it was not necessary and had little value. He admitted that we were told this to preserve masks for the medical industry. I think a lot of people, at least the ones I know, realized that it was a lie, but understood. It was told to change the behavior and beliefs of the public. It certainly shows that the medical "experts" are willing to try to deceive the public, if it serves their agenda.
What other lies have been told to change what the public believes? Perhaps that hydroxychloroquine, a cheap drug that has been on the market for 50+ years was not effective against covid-19? Even though there were many, many "reports" of it helping people all over the world. Why have virtually all trials of HCQ been stopped? Could it be that there is no profit from it for big pharma, whom Fauci is in bed with???
From the New York Times:
"While access to vaccines will be essential, Dr. Fauci said it would probably not help if the U.S. government tried to impose price controls on drugmakers. “If you try to enforce things on a company that has multiple different opportunities to do different things, they will walk away.” He said he had never seen a successful attempt at price controls, and it would be more effective for the government to work with companies and help them in developing products. Then, he said, companies “will in good faith make it available to those groups, countries, nations that really can’t afford it very well.” “It’s a profit-driven industry,” he said, adding that companies cannot realistically be expected to give products away."
FOLLOW THE $$$$$
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Post by fbfan on Jul 21, 2020 16:16:41 GMT -5
News report on FoxNews that you won't find on the other main stream media outlets (Fake News outlets):
Dr. Harvey Risch, an epidemiology professor at Yale School of Public Health, said on Tuesday that he thinks hydroxychloroquine could save 75,000 to 100,000 lives if the drug is widely used to treat coronavirus. “There are many doctors that I’ve gotten hostile remarks about saying that all the evidence is bad for it and, in fact, that is not true at all,” Risch told “Ingraham Angle," adding that he believes the drug can be used as a "prophylactic" for front-line workers, as other countries like India have done. Risch lamented that a "propaganda war" is being waged against the use of the drug for political purposes, not based on "medical facts."
Researchers at the Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan have found that early administration of hydroxychloroquine makes hospitalized patients substantially less likely to die. The study, published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases, determined that hydroxychloroquine provided a "66 percent hazard ratio reduction," and hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin a 71 percent reduction, compared with neither treatment. In-hospital mortality was 18.1 percent overall; 13.5 percent with just hydroxychloroquine, 22.4 percent with azithromycin alone, and 26.4 percent with neither drug. "Prospective trials are needed" for further review, the researchers note, even as they concluded: "In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality." "Our results do differ from some other studies," Dr. Marcus Zervos, who heads the hospital's infectious diseases unit, said at a news conference. "What we think was important in ours ... is that patients were treated early. For hydroxychloroquine to have a benefit, it needs to begin before the patients begin to suffer some of the severe immune reactions that patients can have with COVID."
A statement from the Trump campaign hailed the study as "fantastic news."
Risch said that most in the mainstream are not allowing people to speak about the evidence on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine. Risch also said discussions about the drug became “political” as opposed to “medical.” “All the evidence is actually good for it when it is used in outpatient uses. Nevertheless, the only people who actually say that are a whole pile of doctors who are on the front lines treating those patients across the country and they are the ones who are at risk being forced not to do it,” Risch said, arguing that the mainstream media is not covering the benefits of hydroxychloroquine.
Well, that Yale professor probably just lost his job. The CDC, NIH, and WHO all shut down their studies of HCQ before they were completed. Why? Could it be that the early indications were not what they wanted to see???
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Post by fbfan on Jul 30, 2020 11:07:28 GMT -5
News Report:
Starting on Thursday, Ohio pharmacies, clinics and other medical facilities will be prohibited from dispensing or selling the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine, to treat the novel coronavirus.
State regulations were updated on Wednesday to reflect the change but also included several caveats, such as if the prescription is for a pet or if it is part of a clinical trial to assess the effectiveness of the drug when used to fight COVID-19.
"No prescription for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine may be dispensed by a pharmacist or sold at retail by a licensed terminal distributor of dangerous drugs, including prescriptions for patients residing in Ohio dispensed or sold at retail by nonresident terminal distributors of dangerous drugs as defined in rule 4729:5-8-01 of the Administrative Code, unless the prescription bears a written diagnosis code from the prescriber or a statement indicating its veterinary medical purpose," the state website read.
"Prescriptions issued for chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for prophylactic use related to COVID-19 or for the treatment of COVID19 are strictly prohibited unless otherwise approved by the board's executive director in consultation with the board president, at which time a resolution shall issue," the statement continued. "Upon the effective date of this rule, all previous approvals for the use of chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine shall be deemed void and must be approved using the process outlined in this paragraph."
The Pharmacy Board went on to say the prohibition does not apply to prescriptions "issued as part of a documented institutional review board-approved clinical trial to evaluate the safety and efficacy of the drugs to treat COVID-19. Prescriptions must include documentation that the patient is enrolled in a clinical trial."
“Basically, it’s a patient safety issue,” Cameron McNamee, the board's director of policy and communications told The Columbus Dispatch. “We’re looking at the best science to determine what’s best for the patients of Ohio.” She also said the decision has nothing to do with President Trump's public support for the treatment.
The President of The United States requested and received HCQ. A member of The United States House of Representatives from Texas recently diagnosed (2 days ago) with the China Virus, has requested and will receive HCQ treatment. The Bucyrus, Ohio Police Chief has attributed his quick recovery from Covid to HCQ. You can find many other testimonials on the internet about the value of HCQ from both doctors and patients (unless Facebook and Twitter censors and deletes them).
But alas, Governor/Doctor Dewine and his minions at the state pharmacy board have determined that it is unsafe for a regular Joe in Ohio to receive the treatment if he and his doctor want it.
Is Ohio still in the USA?
Pharmacy Board . . . . . .$ . . . .$ . . . . $ . . . .Big Pharma
FOLLOW THE $$$$$ and connect the dots
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Post by Birdman on Jul 30, 2020 14:45:47 GMT -5
Fbfan,
We sure do think alike!!! Couldn’t agree more.
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Post by dolittle on Jul 30, 2020 16:54:22 GMT -5
lots of openings in the sbc.
OH - 2 Clyde 3- Bellevue 1-2 TC - 1
PC -1-2 Huron 1 OH 2 Edison 1
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Post by fbfan on Jul 30, 2020 20:03:07 GMT -5
From another news report about one of the "new" Covid treatment drugs being pushed by big pharma:
In an open letter obtained by Fox News, Gilead Sciences CEO and Chairman Daniel O'Day said the price per vial of remdesivir would be $390 for government health care programs in developed countries, such as Medicare, equal to $2,340 per patient on a short, six-vial treatment. For private insurance companies, the price would be $520 per vial, or $3,120 for a six-vial treatment.
I've read elsewhere that a similar hydroxychloroquine treatment regimen costs about $50-60. Is it any wonder that they don't want you to know about or be able to choose HCQ if you get the China Virus?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 30, 2020 20:08:04 GMT -5
That's peanuts. I own stock in a company called Immunomedics(IMMU). They just had a new cancer drug approved. They get $90,000 per treatment. The stock price has gone from $9 in April to $43 today.
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Post by fbfan on Jul 31, 2020 9:34:00 GMT -5
That's peanuts. I own stock in a company called Immunomedics(IMMU). They just had a new cancer drug approved. They get $90,000 per treatment. The stock price has gone from $9 in April to $43 today. That's good news for a Big Pharma company and it's investors. Bad news for taxpayers and those who pay insurance premiums. As a matter of principle would it upset you if it was found that an existing $1500 drug that you, your doctor, and many others believed would be as effective as the $90,000 drug, but were prevented from getting it, if needed, by a government agency that is lobbied by Big Pharma and has become a political football?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 31, 2020 12:57:50 GMT -5
NO...it is GREAT news for people who are dying of Cancer.
"Big Pharma" these days, for the most part, do not develop new drugs, small biotech companies like IMMU do. Then a bidding war by Big Pharma takes place to buy those small companies to get those new drugs and develop them in other indications.
Based on FDA requirements, it costs 100's of millions of dollars to get ONE new drug approved. To begin with, companies applying for drug approvals MUST give the FDA $10+ million dollars just to start the process. $90,000 per treatment to save or extend a life is rather insignificant. THEN profits from a new drug are used to develop more new drugs to save or prolong life.
There is no such thing as an existing drug in this case and in most cases for that matter. Oncologists and their patients in this case are in agreement that there is nothing on the market that comes close to this new drug(Trodelvy). The FDA does not approve a safe new drug unless it meets an unmet need, is a significant improvement over a current treatment OR an equal drug to one existing drug, to foster competition.
Trodelvy has been approved to treat Triple Negative Breast Cancer. THE worst type of Breast Cancer there is, currently it's a death sentence in less than a year. In this "Woke Generation", can you imagine "lobbying" or "political football" to hinder a women getting treatment for their most feared cancer? There will be other hard to treat cancers that this new drug will be approved for in the future.
Instead of whining I'd suggest you invest in this stock.
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Post by fbfan on Jul 31, 2020 17:57:36 GMT -5
NO...it is GREAT news for people who are dying of Cancer. "Big Pharma" these days, for the most part, do not develop new drugs, small biotech companies like IMMU do. Then a bidding war by Big Pharma takes place to buy those small companies to get those new drugs and develop them in other indications. Based on FDA requirements, it costs 100's of millions of dollars to get ONE new drug approved. To begin with, companies applying for drug approvals MUST give the FDA $10+ million dollars just to start the process. $90,000 per treatment to save or extend a life is rather insignificant. THEN profits from a new drug are used to develop more new drugs to save or prolong life. There is no such thing as an existing drug in this case and in most cases for that matter. Oncologists and their patients in this case are in agreement that there is nothing on the market that comes close to this new drug(Trodelvy). The FDA does not approve a safe new drug unless it meets an unmet need, is a significant improvement over a current treatment OR an equal drug to one existing drug, to foster competition. Trodelvy has been approved to treat Triple Negative Breast Cancer. THE worst type of Breast Cancer there is, currently it's a death sentence in less than a year. In this "Woke Generation", can you imagine "lobbying" or "political football" to hinder a women getting treatment for their most feared cancer? There will be other hard to treat cancers that this new drug will be approved for in the future. Instead of whining I'd suggest you invest in this stock. Of course it is great news for Cancer patients. But that was not the point of your response to my post was it. In your excitement to let us all know how good an investment you made, you entirely missed and ignored the point of my post.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 31, 2020 20:39:13 GMT -5
NO, it was about your lack of knowledge on how science, drug companies, new drugs, current drugs, costs and the FDA works in developing new drugs. Just trying to dispel this particular conspiracy of yours.
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Post by fbfan on Aug 1, 2020 7:27:55 GMT -5
NO, it was about your lack of knowledge on how science, drug companies, new drugs, current drugs, costs and the FDA works in developing new drugs. Just trying to dispel this particular conspiracy of yours. YES, I understand how drugs are developed and how it works. Thank you for describing it so well. That is exactly why an existing $50 drug is a threat to Big Pharma and their opportunity to make big profits from this pandemic. They have a vested interest in "lobbying" government agencies and officials to discourage the use of, or place an outright ban on a drug they can't control or make money on. Thank you for helping make my point and providing me the opportunity to point that out again! And it's not MY conspiracy, although I believe it's plausible.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 1, 2020 10:21:20 GMT -5
That is not why a "$50 drug is a threat to Big Pharma" If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't make such a claim. The only reason a drug is so low priced is because there is a newer better drug available OR there are multiple generics. THE single most important factor in choosing a medication to treat a serious condition is it's efficacy. Who's going to buy a lower priced drug that doesn't get the results of a newer more expensive drug? BTW, who do you think owns that "$50 drug"? A Big Pharma.
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Post by fbfan on Aug 1, 2020 14:20:29 GMT -5
That is not why a "$50 drug is a threat to Big Pharma" If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't make such a claim. The only reason a drug is so low priced is because there is a newer better drug available OR there are multiple generics. THE single most important factor in choosing a medication to treat a serious condition is it's efficacy. Who's going to buy a lower priced drug that doesn't get the results of a newer more expensive drug? BTW, who do you think owns that "$50 drug"? A Big Pharma. If you were knowledgeable you would know that there ARE multiple generics. No one "owns" HCQ. Many companies around the world make it under their own brand name, since the patents have expired long ago. How do you know the efficacy of the new drugs will be more than HCQ. They aren't even done with their trials yet. HCQ has been on the market since 1955. That is the reason it is so cheap. You do understand the concept of generic drugs don't you? And it is why the Big Pharma's want the government to force you to buy something else that is currently under development and will be patented, and much more expensive and profitable. Who would buy? POTUS, U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, the Bucyrus Police Chief, and thousands of others to name a few have been helped by it. HCQ is here now. If I needed it, I would ask my doctor for it too. But since "someone" has convinced the Ohio Pharmacy Board to make it illegal for my doctor to prescribe, I don't have the same rights as other Americans in some other states do. THAT is the point of my posts.
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Post by tori2 on Aug 1, 2020 15:12:29 GMT -5
Don’t argue with the know it all, you can’t win.
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Post by fbfan on Aug 1, 2020 16:03:21 GMT -5
UPDATE. According to the Columbus-Dispatch newspaper, the Ohio Pharmacy Board at the request of Gov. Dewine has reversed their decision to ban HCQ. At DeWine's urging, they will further study and re-evaluate. A welcome but very strange and quick political turn around in my opinion. What forces are at work here?? Stay tuned and Follow the $$$$$. (Or maybe they have been following this thread and have seen the light)
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Aug 1, 2020 20:24:27 GMT -5
That is not why a "$50 drug is a threat to Big Pharma" If you were knowledgeable you wouldn't make such a claim. The only reason a drug is so low priced is because there is a newer better drug available OR there are multiple generics. THE single most important factor in choosing a medication to treat a serious condition is it's efficacy. Who's going to buy a lower priced drug that doesn't get the results of a newer more expensive drug? BTW, who do you think owns that "$50 drug"? A Big Pharma. If you were knowledgeable you would know that there ARE multiple generics. No one "owns" HCQ. Many companies around the world make it under their own brand name, since the patents have expired long ago. How do you know the efficacy of the new drugs will be more than HCQ. They aren't even done with their trials yet. HCQ has been on the market since 1955. That is the reason it is so cheap. You do understand the concept of generic drugs don't you? And it is why the Big Pharma's want the government to force you to buy something else that is currently under development and will be patented, and much more expensive and profitable. Who would buy? POTUS, U.S. Rep. Louie Gohmert, the Bucyrus Police Chief, and thousands of others to name a few have been helped by it. HCQ is here now. If I needed it, I would ask my doctor for it too. But since "someone" has convinced the Ohio Pharmacy Board to make it illegal for my doctor to prescribe, I don't have the same rights as other Americans in some other states do. THAT is the point of my posts. So NOW you want to talk about a specific drug. You are not paying attention. I have ALREADY proffered the reasons for inexpensive drugs. "Thousand of others to name a few" LOL. Give us a list. What about the 4.7 million infections and 157,000 deaths? Of the 2.3 million that have already recovered, how many took HCQ? HCQ DOES NOT keep one from being infected by the virus. It may or may not help individuals AFTER one has contracted the virus. We will never know, those on your list might have recovered without taking HCQ...I seriously doubt the 2.3 million that HAVE recovered all took HCQ. I'm willing to bet FAR less than 1% did. Why did 2,000,000+ recover without taking HCQ?? Once there is a vaccine to keep people from being infected, you will never hear about HCQ again. Have you and your family members taken HCQ as a preventative? Why not...it's so cheap and readily available? I am not ignorant, I will not be infected, I will not need HCQ. I will be first in line to take the vaccine.. BTW, it will cost FAR LESS than HCQ costs. I've been researching Biotechs for many years. Big Pharmas DO NOT "force" anyone to do anything. Individuals will ALWAYS take THE best drug available for serious diseases, regardless if it costs $50 or $50,000. Insurance companies and government agencies pay for the vast majority of the cost.
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