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Post by bigredfan2019 on Sept 16, 2020 20:18:06 GMT -5
Looks like you confirmed what 72 said. If his post bothered you....you have WAY too thin of a skin to read what's posted on here. His post was VERY mild compared to many. Here is the thing though. This person has posted some really negative things during the live streams of these games. Things that shouldn’t be said to kids who are giving it their best. It’s a cumulative thing and not simply related to the comment above. This was the final straw for me, quite frankly. I am going to stick up for our team.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 16, 2020 23:10:28 GMT -5
Big red fan
Thank you for your insight. You may know me or not, but that is not the point. Yes, I have seen the Redmen play in person. And nobody hates to see the Redmen struggle more than I. If you have read my other posts, I said Coach Plumley was a good hire, and I still believe that. And I have defended Bucyrus on this board many times. But facts are facts. We have not beat Wynford in over 20 years, and that hurts to any former player.
Bucyrus numbers are low, which Coach Plumley is trying to correct. He inherited a lot of problems . And as I have stated before, the kids play hard. But you have to admit that the weakness in this team is its line. You can not run an offensive when the defense is in your backfield all the time. That is a shame since they do have some skill players which they can’t utilize to their fullest.
. It is not my intent to ever bash the kids, and in hind sight I inadvertently did, for which I apologize. I know the kids are trying their best. My comments are coming from frustration and nothing else.
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Post by cowtown on Sept 16, 2020 23:52:05 GMT -5
Hey oldno72 I went back and looked at several pages of your old posts trying to figure out what lit a fuse in bigredfan2019. I saw nothing to justify the anger that boiled up. To go back and look up old football programs then threaten to expose you to Bucyrus is a bit much. If anything oldno72 you leaned on the side of rooting for Bucyrus but with an honest eye . School spirit still must be strongly surging through bigredfan2019 veins . That happens from just graduating or having kids on the field of play . Ease up bigred2019 and enjoy the sport / town we love. I confess I am also a son of Bucyrus . Still reading these posts on Crawford County Schools all these years later.
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Post by bigredfan2019 on Sept 17, 2020 7:12:11 GMT -5
Like I said, it is a cumulative group of negativity. It's on here and it's on the live stream on the Facebook page. It's comments like this team has no line. Yes, everyone is well aware that this team has no line this year. They have no experience, but saying it on multiple platforms for all of these people to see is not going to change that. Then during the first half of the Wynford game this same individual commented that "If I were Bucyrus, I would end this at halftime. Nothing good is going to happen in a game like this...only flaring tempers and injuries." So are we supposed to just encourage our kids and our coaches to quit, because things aren't going their way? How is that going to work when they become adults?
You are right, it is terrible to lose to Wynford for 23 straight years. How do you think that Freshman felt when he got to hear his name called after making a tackle that night? An opportunity he wouldn't have had if the team would have just quit. We are all adults here, lets stop with the negative crap and start promoting positive things about our kids and our school. That's all I ask.
I have no hard feelings towards you. We all get caught up in the moment. I was probably a little harsh in my post yesterday, but I wanted you to know that there is a reason for this team being so down this year. 2020 is a mess, this country is a mess, lets rally behind our kids and look for the positives instead of the negatives. We all get caught up in the negative, and I am just as guilty as anyone else!
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 17, 2020 10:18:03 GMT -5
I agree we all get caught up in the frustration. I do not believe in quitting, and I have never quit at anything I have ever done. Having said that, I was ****** because I believed that Wynford was deliberately running up the score in the first half by throwing deep passes constantly. They could have been satisfied at 35 to zip at halftime, but they had to rub it in and make it 49 to zip. I have experienced many of these games in my career as an official, and I have seen kids get hurt with career ending injuries and unfortunately, ejected from doing something stupid because of taunting, etc. Add to the fact that these kids are neighbors, frends, and family, Emotions run high. Plus, it is lousey sportsmanship, in my opinion.
I do follow the program closer than you think. I knew last year that 2020 was going to be a struggle. Then you see some of your better players choosing to suit up for Wynford and Crawford. I hope that can change in the future. And I look for the day when the Redmen (if they are still called that) end the streak and can enjoy victory.
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Post by bigredfan2019 on Sept 17, 2020 12:36:42 GMT -5
I do agree with you on the running up of the score. It is one thing to do it running the football, but to be throwing deep balls into the 3rd quarter was a bit much. I apologize for coming across a bit harsh.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 18, 2020 9:40:05 GMT -5
Wynford @ Seneca East will be on 92.7 WQEL Bucyrus @ Buckeye Central will be on 107.5 WBCO
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Post by nccfan06 on Sept 18, 2020 15:03:21 GMT -5
I agree we all get caught up in the frustration. I do not believe in quitting, and I have never quit at anything I have ever done. Having said that, I was wee wee because I believed that Wynford was deliberately running up the score in the first half by throwing deep passes constantly. They could have been satisfied at 35 to zip at halftime, but they had to rub it in and make it 49 to zip. I have experienced many of these games in my career as an official, and I have seen kids get hurt with career ending injuries and unfortunately, ejected from doing something stupid because of taunting, etc. Add to the fact that these kids are neighbors, frends, and family, Emotions run high. Plus, it is lousey sportsmanship, in my opinion. I do follow the program closer than you think. I knew last year that 2020 was going to be a struggle. Then you see some of your better players choosing to suit up for Wynford and Crawford. I hope that can change in the future. And I look for the day when the Redmen (if they are still called that) end the streak and can enjoy victory. Passing the ball in the first half is hardly running up the score. If you know anything about how this year has been you know that teams are trying to get the starters as many reps as possible and trying to run their offense in order to get better. While I agree if it was late in the 3rd or 4th it would be unnecessary to throw it deep, but with these teams having no scrimmages, throwing the ball in the first half in the first game is hardly unsportsmanlike. I know coach helbert and he is a very respectable person who is just doing what is best for his team in the future. His offense is very much based on throwing the ball down the field. With little to no work against a opponent other than themselves, he was simply trying to make his team better. While when I was in school it was very much a run first offense under Moyer, Helbert believes the passing game is vital to his offense. The whole game can't be just about how the player or parents on the other teams are getting their feeling hurt when your up by 35 and the opponent is throwing the ball. The mercy run was put into affect for the purpose of teams not running up the score in the Second half. With the fact that these kids have already had so much taken away from them in terms of 3 less garenteed games. Ya'll need to think about how it affects both teams not just yours.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 18, 2020 19:14:52 GMT -5
CC 7 Mohawk 0 at half Wynford 21 SE 0 at half BC 24 Bucyrus 7 at half
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Post by GHS 1999 on Sept 18, 2020 20:29:32 GMT -5
CC 20 Mohawk 14 final
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 18, 2020 20:34:43 GMT -5
Wynford 40 SE 7 Carey 64 US 0 BC 54 Bucyrus 10
Congrats to the Bucks on ending the streak
and that's a huge win for CC
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 18, 2020 21:09:20 GMT -5
NCC fan,
I see this is your first post. Welcome to the Board!
I respectfully disagree with your position. I have heard that “ we need the work” argument for many years. In my opinion, it is weak I know you can’t keep your players from wanting to score. But let’s be honest here. Wynford saw the film of the Bucyrus scrimmage, and they certainly know of all of the issues going on with them. They knew before the game that is was going to be one sided. I might accept your argument if you were playing a team from another county. But, you were playing a school that you have open enrolled over 300 students from. ( that is a different discussion). This situation is different. These kids are literally neighbors, friends, and family members. . Yes, they are rivals and competitors , but the are also part of the same Bucyrus community. Throwing long in and mostly every play late in the second quarter with a huge and insurmountable lead did not in any way make Wynford a better team. But it does create hard feelings. Just my opinion
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 18, 2020 21:13:48 GMT -5
Wynford 40 SE 7 Carey 64 US 0 BC 54 Bucyrus 10 Congrats to the Bucks on ending the streak and that's a huge win for CC I am very happy for the BC Bucks. Their program went through a year s years ago when the lost two players and a coach. No program should ever have to go through that. Their kids never gave up and continued with hard work, Congrats on a fine and well deserved victory,
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Post by nccfan06 on Sept 18, 2020 21:46:55 GMT -5
NCC fan, I see this is your first post. Welcome to the Board! I respectfully disagree with your position. I have heard that “ we need the work” argument for many years. In my opinion, it is weak I know you can’t keep your players from wanting to score. But let’s be honest here. Wynford saw the film of the Bucyrus scrimmage, and they certainly know of all of the issues going n with them. They knew before the game that is was going to be one sided. I might accept your argument if you were playing a team from another county. But, you were playing a school that you have open enrolled over 300 students from. ( that is a different discussion). This situation is different. These kids are literally neighbors, friends, and family members. . Yes, they are rivals and competitors , but the are also part of the same Bucyrus community. Throwing long in and mostly every play late in the second quarter with a huge and insurmountable lead did not in any way make Wynford a better team. But it does create hard feelings. Just my opinion So when your first TD is a pick six and your first offensive play is a TD RUN, being up 2 Scores without passing the ball I guess Wynford should have just taken a knee the rest of the game. Considering the fact that I know people close to both programs and have no idea what "issues" your talking about. If the situations where flipped there would be no mercy given and everyone knows it. Especially in the first half of a football game. Next time I see ohio state up on a MAC school 35-0 in the first half I'll be sure to make sure Ryan Day does nothing more than run the ball and avoid a 60 point game so he doesn't hurt the feeling of anyone on the other team.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 18, 2020 22:36:32 GMT -5
I agree with nccfan06. I've seen some Wynford teams and others over the years that so severely over matched their opponent physically that they could RUN the ball every play and score as many points and gain as many yards as Wynford did on Bucyrus. It was actually more merciful to pass the ball a few times and not physically beat up the opponent every play, every drive. With the rules now limiting live contact in practice good teams need to run their offense and do what they do in the first half of games. That's why they put the running clock in place for the second half.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 18, 2020 22:56:17 GMT -5
NCC
What I mean by issues are a new coach, a new system lots of new and inexperienced and very young players, etc.
As I said, Wynford should try to score. But as you correctly stated, the game was over in the first two minutes, and, in all honesty Wynford would have continued to score by running the ball. But the perception of throwing most plays and throwing long in the last few minutes of the first half with a 30 plus point lead does look like running up the score. Just my opinion. But I come back to my original question. Did that make Wynford a better team? I very much doubt it. Did it create some hard feelings between the two schools? Possibly.
Wynford has been fortunate to not have been on that side of the equation for a long time, which is to their credit. But some day, it will happen to you. It may be in the playoffs, from a team like Pleasant who I believe is on your schedule, or even someday Bucyrus. Will you still feel the same way.? I very much doubt that.
One final point. OSU beats up on a MAC school. At least the MAC school gets over a million dollars to get their butts kicked. And, unfortunately, we have a college playoff system and media that use those wide point victories in determining who gets in the playoffs. I understand that, but it does not make it right. At least on the high school level, margin of victory has no impact on the computer points, which is a good thing.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 19, 2020 10:28:34 GMT -5
Wynford 40 SE 7 Carey 64 US 0 BC 54 Bucyrus 10 CC 20 Mohawk 14 Congrats to the Bucks on ending the streak and that's a huge win for CC CC has actually had 3 huge wins. They have a 1 game lead over Wynford and Carey (both of whom they defeated) with BC and Bucyrus remaining.
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Post by nccfan06 on Sept 19, 2020 11:03:41 GMT -5
NCC What I mean by issues are a new coach, a new system lots of new and inexperienced and very young players, etc. As I said, Wynford should try to score. But as you correctly stated, the game was over in the first two minutes, and, in all honesty Wynford would have continued to score by running the ball. But the perception of throwing most plays and throwing long in the last few minutes of the first half with a 30 plus point lead does look like running up the score. Just my opinion. But I come back to my original question. Did that make Wynford a better team? I very much doubt it. Did it create some hard feelings between the two schools? Possibly. Wynford has been fortunate to not have been on that side of the equation for a long time, which is to their credit. But some day, it will happen to you. It may be in the playoffs, from a team like Pleasant who I believe is on your schedule, or even someday Bucyrus. Will you still feel the same way.? I very much doubt that. One final point. OSU beats up on a MAC school. At least the MAC school gets over a million dollars to get their butts kicked. And, unfortunately, we have a college playoff system and media that use those wide point victories in determining who gets in the playoffs. I understand that, but it does not make it right. At least on the high school level, margin of victory has no impact on the computer points, which is a good thing. I'll make one last post on the subject just because I'm sure people are getting tired of seeing us go back and forth. Wynfords biggest downfall through the years in my opinion is that they are never in playoff shape come that time. When you are unable to keep starters in more than 2 quarters and basically when they are in your running the ball every play your team is not going to be getting any better. Like I stated before, with the lack of preparation heading into the opener, you want do everything possible to make your team better. You may not see it from this prospective but in the playoffs everyone knows the importance of being able to throw the ball and not be one dimensional. With that said, yes I believe throwing the ball for the first time under the lights with a crowd watching and a little more pressure than just a practice makes your team better, regardless of opponent. In terms of purposely running up the score, what does coach Helbert have to gain by doing that. There is no motivation to do so because the matchup has been so one sided over the years that at least in the wynford community it's barely even a rivalry anymore. Crawford and Mohawk are much bigger rivalry games in my opinion. As far as being upset if the tables were turned I wouldn't be. I actually hope that bucyrus can become relevant again because it would be great for both the kettle and the conference. I have been on the other side a few times and all you can do is keep your head up and keep playing hard when your getting blown out. Not feel sorry for yourself and blame the other team. As far as the future of Bucyrus, I really wish that Makeever would have continued as the head coach, as he was invested in the program for so long that the kids bought into him. With that being said I know little about their current head coach and how far he can take them. Programs don't turn around overnight but getting kids to buy-in is hard when your not successful. As for as the rest of the N10 hats off to Crawford. They have found a way to win each week so far and that is hard to do when your playing so many close games. I really wish Mohawk and Wynford was still a matchup for this year so we could get a clearer view from top to bottom in the conference. There is clearly two tears of teams this year and CC has beaten all three of their top opponents in the first 4 weeks.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 19, 2020 11:57:46 GMT -5
"Playoff shape" is built in practice, not in games. When I played, during our practices EVERY player, not just the RBs and WRs, ran 40 yards down field and jogged back the 40 yards after EVERY play practiced. The 2nd string offense doing the same. This went on for around 50 plays every practice. Even though we average 45 ppg AND starters playing less than 3 quarters in most games, we were still in better shape than anyone we played.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 20, 2020 8:23:12 GMT -5
Standings:
4-0 Colonel Crawford 3-1 Carey 3-1 Wynford 2-2 Mohawk 2-2 Seneca East 1-3 Upper Sandusky 1-3 Buckeye Central 0-4 Bucyrus
Any plans to play the final round the the league schedule after the playoffs? The missing games would be CC/SE, Mohawk/Wynford, Carey/BC, Bucyrus/Upper. I do see that BC has Crestine scheduled for 10/16 and Upper has Willard scheduled for 10/23.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 20, 2020 11:54:30 GMT -5
I doubt there are any concrete plans right now to play them. That could change, but would probably depend on what happens in the playoffs. Looking at Joe Eitel's current regional bracket rankings, CC, Wyn, and Carey could make deep runs if the seeding goes similar to how the harbins are adding up right now. There will be lot's of bottom feeders for the top teams to have a bye and then win a couple of games against, unlike when only the top 8 teams play.
If those games are played, I think they should ALL be played, and on the same night if they are to be counted as league games.
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Post by usramfan on Sept 20, 2020 16:10:20 GMT -5
I doubt there are any concrete plans right now to play them. That could change, but would probably depend on what happens in the playoffs. Looking at Joe Eitel's current regional bracket rankings, CC, Wyn, and Carey could make deep runs if the seeding goes similar to how the harbins are adding up right now. There will be lot's of bottom feeders for the top teams to have a bye and then win a couple of games against, unlike when only the top 8 teams play. If those games are played, I think they should ALL be played, and on the same night if they are to be counted as league games. Bucyrus and Upper have already agreed to play in Week 8 at Upper. This is the league game that was cancelled due to the reconfiguration of the schedules. So to say it's doubtful there's no concrete plans to play them is simply not true.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 20, 2020 16:24:45 GMT -5
I see that now. Honestly, I really wasn't thinking about what those two teams would do. Good for them. I was answering BB's question: "Any plans to play the final round" which would include all the teams "right now". I also said that it could change. I will be watching for CC, Wyn, Ca, Mo, SE, and BC to schedule their canceled league game in week 8 also.
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Post by oldno72 on Sept 20, 2020 21:42:55 GMT -5
There could be some interesting games for some of the schools, especially if they opt out. I think a Bucyrus Crestline game would be good for both programs .Willard and Upper could renew their old NOL ties. You could try to do them and still do the playoff game, but it would be easier to do it week 7. Probably won’t hapoen, but if you are a very low seed, you are going to draw a very good team, I think a competive game would be better than a blowout
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Post by bigredfan2019 on Sept 21, 2020 13:44:04 GMT -5
Bucyrus has scheduled a week 8 match-up with Upper Sandusky and a week 9 game with New London. They are currently looking for a week 10 opponent to play at home. They currently only have 3 home games for the entire season.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 21, 2020 15:13:31 GMT -5
Willard?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 25, 2020 8:31:08 GMT -5
According to Joe Eitel, Bucyrus and Crestline have opted out of the playoffs and will play each other in Bucyrus on 10/9 (week 7)
Crestline will also be hosting Buckeye Central on 10/16 (week 8)
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Post by fbfan on Sept 25, 2020 9:22:18 GMT -5
According to Joe Eitel, Bucyrus and Crestline have opted out of the playoffs and will play each other in Bucyrus on 10/9 (week 7) Crestline will also be hosting Buckeye Central on 10/16 (week 8) Bucyrus' exit drops Region 22 down to 26 teams and adds one more bye (now 6). Good news for CC and possibly even Carey if you subscribe to the theory that a bye would be beneficial.
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Post by fbfan on Sept 25, 2020 9:25:12 GMT -5
There could be some interesting games for some of the schools, especially if they opt out. I think a Bucyrus Crestline game would be good for both programs .Willard and Upper could renew their old NOL ties. You could try to do them and still do the playoff game, but it would be easier to do it week 7. Probably won’t hapoen, but if you are a very low seed, you are going to draw a very good team, I think a competive game would be better than a blowout You called it!
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Post by usramfan on Sept 25, 2020 10:05:38 GMT -5
There could be some interesting games for some of the schools, especially if they opt out. I think a Bucyrus Crestline game would be good for both programs . Willard and Upper could renew their old NOL ties. You could try to do them and still do the playoff game, but it would be easier to do it week 7. Probably won’t hapoen, but if you are a very low seed, you are going to draw a very good team, I think a competive game would be better than a blowout They have already scheduled a game for Week 9.
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