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Post by sportsvideo on Sept 29, 2020 21:52:44 GMT -5
Think the point is that some yahoo at a desk in Cleveland who has never seen Bellevue, Huron, Shelby, Van Wert, Ontario, Kenton, Napoleon, Wauseon etc play and has no idea of the caliber of play these teams have exhibited this season is writing an article in a major statewide publication basically pushing his Lorain County team. Cleveland.com has probably never covered an SBC, OCC, etc or(other than a Lorain County League) other area league game but yet they are now experts in this region? Someone else posted at one point that the OHSAA did away with the popularity=type poll to get into playoffs and rankings and used the computer rankings in the past but went back to the voting system this year. I think the coaches know the game and region and will vote accordingly, perhaps weighing their league teams a little more favorably, but that is to be expected. Otherwise this guys opinion has about as much relevance and importance as your or my opinion .... be just has a bigger podium to preach from. I don’t see anyone from this area writing an article about the region. It’s 2020...all writers should have social media. Makes the area you cover less relevant. Good for Cleveland.com that they have people that write informative articles Because nobody in this area has anything to prove when it comes to playing Lorain County schools.. I've seen video of them already this year.. Shelby, Bellevue, Huron, Van Wert Napoleon, Wauseon, Port Clinton, Edison, kenton, clyde, would currently be 5-0 with their schedule.. i firmly believe that.. From what i have seen of them, they would not be 5-0 with some of these mentioned schedule...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 22:25:55 GMT -5
I don’t see anyone from this area writing an article about the region. It’s 2020...all writers should have social media. Makes the area you cover less relevant. Good for Cleveland.com that they have people that write informative articles Because nobody in this area has anything to prove when it comes to playing Lorain County schools.. I've seen video of them already this year.. Shelby, Bellevue, Huron, Van Wert Napoleon, Wauseon, Port Clinton, Edison, kenton, clyde, would currently be 5-0 with their schedule.. i firmly believe that.. From what i have seen of them, they would not be 5-0 with some of these mentioned schedule... So you’re mad at one person who thinks that a team that is unbeaten should be seeded 2? Mind you that school finished with the most harbrin points last year and this year is 3rd. Get over it
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Post by sportsvideo on Sept 30, 2020 5:25:34 GMT -5
Because nobody in this area has anything to prove when it comes to playing Lorain County schools.. I've seen video of them already this year.. Shelby, Bellevue, Huron, Van Wert Napoleon, Wauseon, Port Clinton, Edison, kenton, clyde, would currently be 5-0 with their schedule.. i firmly believe that.. From what i have seen of them, they would not be 5-0 with some of these mentioned schedule... So you’re mad at one person who thinks that a team that is unbeaten should be seeded 2? Mind you that school finished with the most harbrin points last year and this year is 3rd. Get over it who says i am mad? harbrin points doesn't determine that you're the best team. Want a lot of harbrin points then load up on a bunch of D-1 inner city teams. They'll win 7 , 8 games and you'll make out like a bandit... it will all come out in the wash
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 30, 2020 6:29:52 GMT -5
It's really not objectively difficult to pull apart Keystone on paper. Yes "anythinggg can happennn" once playoffs come, but for real who would buy this:
- 21 point win over 2-3 Clearview. A Clear Fork team that can't get out of the region the past two years waxed a playoff Clearview. Shelby names the score here.
- 25 point win over 3-2 D6 Columbia, who is 1-9 in the playoffs this century. That's D5 and D6 playoffs.
- 31 point win over 2-3 Black River. Fair enough.
- 15 point win over 1-4 Brookside. Brookside has zero playoff appearances and only 6 seasons of 5-5 or better this century. Bellevue beat Norwalk and Perkins by 14. Shelby over Ontario by 14. What would they have done to Brookside?
- 26 point win over 4-1 Firelands. I'll give it up to Keystone, they showed up for this one. Problem is, Firelands doesn't show up. They have two playoff appearances this century, 2011 and 2015, where they lost by 52 and 35 points.
I guarantee I just did more legwork than this Cleveland.com writer. In his defense, screaming "wow we suck" isn't going to move papers in LeGrange. Either way, Keystone had a similar pattern to this last year. They played very well against Clyde then. Are they a sleeping giant or a team who outplayed their worth? I'm calling MGM to see how easy it is to place real estate assets as collateral for sportsbook wagers because I'm betting the house that Keystone is a non factor.
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Post by dude on Sept 30, 2020 7:26:36 GMT -5
shelbyrr11, when does your good WR/DB return from injury? This Friday is 5 weeks so he should be getting close.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 30, 2020 7:43:00 GMT -5
You may be describing Albert? He is a DE first and foremost. He is expected to make a return this week. This is apparently faster than the usual time needed for a collarbone injury but the reactions from those I know is less "they are moving him too quickly" and more "holy cow he's actually good to go." Even if he isn't 100%, Shelby gets a tune-up against River Valley and then presumably a bye week. That's a good situation in my view.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Sept 30, 2020 8:36:28 GMT -5
Either way, Keystone had a similar pattern to this last year. They played very well against Clyde then. Are they a sleeping giant or a team who outplayed their worth? To their credit, while Keystone has lost the only two playoff games they've made it to, on both occasions they made it closer than expected (8 point losses to both Bellevue and Clyde)
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Sept 30, 2020 10:55:40 GMT -5
Keystone has impressed much greater than, say, Clearview in the playoffs. I wouldn't be stunned if Keystone could win a game against what we deem to be the higher powers in the region. Sometimes you play to your competition and Keystone could be guilty of that. Otherwise... I'm giving them a 4-6 seed.
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Post by maplecityjake on Sept 30, 2020 11:12:23 GMT -5
Again, I'm not sold on Keystone because I'm biased to our local schools, and I'm an holessa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 12:18:01 GMT -5
Again, I'm not sold on Keystone because I'm biased to our local schools, and I'm an holessa. A+ work around
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Post by clydesbcfan on Oct 1, 2020 10:31:17 GMT -5
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 1, 2020 10:42:58 GMT -5
Bellevue-Galion, bring it on! Just like good ole NOL days.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 10:57:34 GMT -5
Perkins @ Port Clinton - just like the ole SBC days
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 1, 2020 11:50:22 GMT -5
Nobody better get any smart ideas of ruining my Shelby vs Bellevue regional finals.
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Post by whippetfan on Oct 1, 2020 12:05:15 GMT -5
Nobody better get any smart ideas of ruining my Shelby vs Bellevue regional finals. Think the Redmen might have a small chip on their shoulder from a few years when these two met in the regional finals in Ashland? Would love to see that again
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 1, 2020 13:37:57 GMT -5
I'm sure the Bellevue coaching can use the 2017 game to get their players amped for any potential Shelby matchup in the regional finals. However, with no disrespect at all for that Bellevue team, I remember my biggest fear going into that game was whether or not Armstrong fell down a flight of stairs that day. A 2020 rematch would feel 100% more uncertain. Plus, it would be a home game for Bellevue I believe.
In other Region 14 news, Napoleon's senior RB with over 2300 career yards went down with a season ending injury last Friday. I wonder if the coaches knew this during voting? They would be the matchup for Shelby if results go by chalk.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 13:53:28 GMT -5
Plus, it would be a home game for Bellevue I believe. Higher seed will have home field through the regional semis at least, but the regional final is listed a TBA for hosting. But anyway, with the number of potential WBL hurdles in our path, I'm not all that comfortable thinking as far ahead as a potential Shelby matchup at the present time.
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 1, 2020 13:58:15 GMT -5
Nobody better get any smart ideas of ruining my Shelby vs Bellevue regional finals. keep an eye on Van Wert... they would be the one that could pose a threat...
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 14:03:19 GMT -5
Nobody better get any smart ideas of ruining my Shelby vs Bellevue regional finals. keep an eye on Van Wert... they would be the one that could pose a threat... and since you didn't mention it, perhaps the 3 seed is a team that could a pose a threat to this matchup as well
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 1, 2020 14:04:54 GMT -5
being top seed is not always the greatest thing...i dont think Kenton would be my first option as an opponent if i had to choose
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Post by sportsvideo on Oct 1, 2020 14:06:05 GMT -5
keep an eye on Van Wert... they would be the one that could pose a threat... and since you didn't mention it, perhaps the 3 seed is a team that could a pose a threat to this matchup as well Bryan would be a major test for the #3 seed.....big offensive line... very similar to port clinton... from what i saw on their tv game on youtube..
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Post by shelbyrr11 on Oct 1, 2020 14:51:53 GMT -5
The north central Ohio corridor has been holding it's own quite well against the WBL in recent years. I personally felt up to the challenge of VW and Kenton from the perspective of proving we can hang with the WBL. I'm not overlooking anybody with a bye, but come on we can continue to put the vaunted WBL in their place.
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Post by baldref on Oct 1, 2020 15:28:11 GMT -5
If cleveland.com is correct, (and who really knows), both bellevue and shelby totaled same number of points from coaches at 526. It also shows how each school in region voted. Interesting read.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 15:35:37 GMT -5
The north central Ohio corridor has been holding it's own quite well against the WBL in recent years. I personally felt up to the challenge of VW and Kenton from the perspective of proving we can hang with the WBL. I'm not overlooking anybody with a bye, but come on we can continue to put the vaunted WBL in their place. Not exactly all of this is "recent"....but since I have access to it I'll post Bellevue's full history against the WBL: Year -- Round...........................Opponent......................Result.........Location 1996 - Regional Final.................Lima Bath.....................W 31-14......Findlay 2000 - Regional Quarterfinal.......St Marys Memorial.........W 35-28......Bellevue 2000 - Regional Semifinal...........Van Wert.......................L 21-35......Findlay 2001 - Regional Quarterfinal.......St Marys Memorial.........W 35-21......St Marys 2003 - Regional Quarterfinal.......Kenton..........................L 27-46......Bellevue 2011 - Regional Quarterfinal.......Elida.............................L 20-54......Bellevue 2012 - Regional Quarterfinal.......Elida............................W 19-14......Sandusky 2016 - Regional Quarterfinal.......Ottawa-Glandorf.............L 34-49......Ottawa I suppose we're due for another crack at this league.
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Post by maplecityjake on Oct 1, 2020 15:40:13 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, 2012 game against Elida at Sandusky was there instead of BAF due to playing surface not suitable.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 1, 2020 15:41:33 GMT -5
As I thought, the SBC having 6 schools in Region 14 would affect the seeding. All SBC schools moved up from the traditional/historic Harbin point seeding. Clyde up 6 spots, Edison up 2 and Bellevue, Huron and PC all up 1. It's hard for Bellevue and Huron to be moved up more than 1 when they were 2 and 4 in Harbins. No SBC schools moved down in the coaches voting. The biggest moves down by the coaches were Lutheran West, Firelands, Rossford and Ontario all down 3. Three of those four the furthest removed geographically from the majority. Does this suggest the coaches know better than the Harbin Point System or humans are prejudicial?
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 15:44:19 GMT -5
If I remember correctly, 2012 game against Elida at Sandusky was there instead of BAF due to playing surface not suitable. Yes, due to rain from Hurricane Sandy. That was the last straw regarding the field, and turf was installed the following summer.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 1, 2020 16:01:30 GMT -5
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Post by smitty1974 on Oct 1, 2020 16:26:09 GMT -5
i just read the part of regions14 and 18 from cleveland.com and says keystone will wait for the clear fork(1-4) at edison(4-1) winner and in division 18 elyria catholic will face the winner of doylestown chippewa(1-4)-oak harbor(2-3).i say oak harbor will win this game as chippewa is awful and is next to last in the wayne county athletic league.thats all what cleveland .com says about our area teams in the playoffs. so itried to get into the oshaa football playoff brackets but nothing came out.i try later when i get home.
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Post by baldref on Oct 1, 2020 16:35:35 GMT -5
The interesting read portion is chart showing how schools voted.
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