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Post by juju on Mar 4, 2021 7:47:31 GMT -5
Is that Livingston kid back at Buchtel? yes, and he’s the real deal.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 4, 2021 8:06:53 GMT -5
Thanks !
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 4, 2021 9:32:37 GMT -5
I never complain about officiating, as it's an impossible job. I'll just tell you what a good friend, who officiated in the area for 30 years said, and he NEVER says anything negative about officials. "It was a poorly officiated game." I'll just say this, the way it was called definitely favored Norwalk, the more physical team. One call that there's no excuse for was a blocking foul on Ontario under the Norwalk basket, late in the 4th or in OT, can't remember. The female official(not that it matters} was under the basket. It was her call and she didn't blow her whistle. The official standing in front of the scorers table on the other side of the court, on a significant delayed whistle, made the call. It wasn't his call to make, he couldn't have a good look at the play, but he knew a call had to me made. When the foul shots were being taken he was standing near me. I asked, "Who were you covering for?" He gave a slight shrug of his shoulders. THE reason Norwalk won this game? They were smarter and more disciplined. Ontario made several more really bad decisions and plays. Too close of a game to do that. I know the call your referring to and it was a block on a Gelhauss drive and could have gone either way. Also a key sequence was when Norwalk I believe had 5-6 consecutive shots at the basket... I agree they let them play and Norwalk definitely was more physical pretty typical tournament bball imo.. I wonder about smarter and more disciplined. As I told my Jr. Son last night when Norwalk went up 9 late, they'll do things to allow OHS back in the game. And, like clockwork....
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Post by perwalk on Mar 4, 2021 9:46:57 GMT -5
Is that Livingston kid back at Buchtel? Yes
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Post by sport24278 on Mar 4, 2021 9:47:12 GMT -5
Yeah maybe he did walk. I also think that an Ontario player called a timeout just before the end of the fourth quarter when they did not have any timeouts. I'm not sure if that is even a technical at the high school level. Don't know if I could call that in that situation. Either way, it was a good game and I guess I cannot expect NBA caliber officiating. There is no, "I think" about it. There are 2 scorebooks being kept and scoreboard operator keeping track of fouls on the board. ALSO there is an assistant coach for both teams whose job it is to keep track of timeouts. The officials have NO idea how many timeouts are left by both teams. It is the responsibility of someone at the table to notify the officials that a team did not have a time out. At that point a technical will be called. please stop with the nonsense. the officials know EXACTLY how many timeouts a team has left at the end of a game. they even walk over to the team huddle and normally tell an assistant how many they have left. the guy last night blew his whistle, even started to raise his hand, and then changed his mind (and another official ran in to basically wave it off). the call was at the norwalk end and that's why a norwalk asst was immediately on the floor to question the fact that he swallowed his whistle. and Joe acted like a 2 year-old at the end when he chased after the official.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2021 11:34:18 GMT -5
I watched as a non biased observer. The call in question of the block and then called a charge---it reminded me of a Russ Pitts "special" where Russ was the only one in the gym who saw what he thought he saw. All in all,,,imo Norwalk was the better team last night. Ya that possession where they got 5 shots was a big reason why I thought they were better. Shaver and Chapin both very good HS players in the area. Though I think Shelby looks awfully tough right now. They are at a different level. The call in question was a no call by the official 5 feet from the play and then a delayed call of a blocking foul by the official 30 feet from the play. IMO the best player on the floor was Minor. Last night at least, a better player than Chapin, more athletic and more skilled. Maybe just coming into his own at the end of the season. He should be special next year. The way the game was called, Norwalk definitely was the better team last night. I'm surprised the game was as close as it was.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2021 11:40:17 GMT -5
There is no, "I think" about it. There are 2 scorebooks being kept and scoreboard operator keeping track of fouls on the board. ALSO there is an assistant coach for both teams whose job it is to keep track of timeouts. The officials have NO idea how many timeouts are left by both teams. It is the responsibility of someone at the table to notify the officials that a team did not have a time out. At that point a technical will be called. please stop with the nonsense. the officials know EXACTLY how many timeouts a team has left at the end of a game. they even walk over to the team huddle and normally tell an assistant how many they have left. the guy last night blew his whistle, even started to raise his hand, and then changed his mind (and another official ran in to basically wave it off). the call was at the norwalk end and that's why a norwalk asst was immediately on the floor to question the fact that he swallowed his whistle. and Joe acted like a 2 year-old at the end when he chased after the official. How do the officials know "EXACTLY" how many timeouts each team has? The "nonsense" is the supposition they keep track themselves. If they're certain, it is only because they've recently been in contact with the table AND remember. ALSO, the table could give incorrect information or a miscommunication between the table and the official when he/she inquires. As you point out, at least one DID NOT remember, OR had it wrong. Also, I see your agree with what I said, the assistant coach assigned always knows more than an official as to the the number of timeouts for both teams, or in this case maybe not. Then who was correct? Was a time out given? There was no T called and no foul shot/shots awarded. Unless the rule has been changed, I am 100% certain if a timeout is called and his team has none, it is a technical and foul shot/shots are awarded. I saw it in a Final Four game. The player knew time would run out, it was the only way to stop the clock, even though the other team would get foul shot/shots. As I said, a person or persons at the table ARE the ones responsible for keeping track and the arbiter of how many timeouts each team has. Steve has never "acted like a 2 year old"? ROFL
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Post by fanofthegame on Mar 4, 2021 12:56:25 GMT -5
Both of them can work a ref. Push them right to the edge without getting the T then make up like an abusive husband. It’s fun to watch unless they are working the ref against your team.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 4, 2021 13:44:10 GMT -5
Buchtel is athletic but poorly coached. Watched a couple videos Livingston isn't Lebron either---not even close
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Post by dude on Mar 4, 2021 14:23:47 GMT -5
There is no, "I think" about it. There are 2 scorebooks being kept and scoreboard operator keeping track of fouls on the board. ALSO there is an assistant coach for both teams whose job it is to keep track of timeouts. The officials have NO idea how many timeouts are left by both teams. It is the responsibility of someone at the table to notify the officials that a team did not have a time out. At that point a technical will be called. please stop with the nonsense. the officials know EXACTLY how many timeouts a team has left at the end of a game. they even walk over to the team huddle and normally tell an assistant how many they have left. the guy last night blew his whistle, even started to raise his hand, and then changed his mind (and another official ran in to basically wave it off). the call was at the norwalk end and that's why a norwalk asst was immediately on the floor to question the fact that he swallowed his whistle. and Joe acted like a 2 year-old at the end when he chased after the official. I think you are right. The refs KNOW the timeout situation at the end of the game. It doesn't mean they can't forget in the heat of the moment just like a player. I would bet a dollar the Ontario players were told in the last huddle of regulation they were out of timeouts. It was pretty clear that Shaver was calling for a timeout and the baseline ref was going to award it as the buzzer went off. He very quickly changed his mind and signaled the time was out. Good call in my eyes. Imagine the uproar from Ontario had they put a Norwalk kid at the line with no time on the clock to win the game. That was not the first time officials had been chased off the floor by him, but it may be the last.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 4, 2021 22:29:48 GMT -5
Best players without question. Strange things happen though in the tourney as veteran coaches find ways to keep it close. ONT and NORWALK and UPPER have better coaches than SHelby,,don't hate the player, hate the game. Willard's Joe B is heading in that direction CC's Sheldon is not.
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Post by usramfan on Mar 5, 2021 4:28:16 GMT -5
please stop with the nonsense. the officials know EXACTLY how many timeouts a team has left at the end of a game. they even walk over to the team huddle and normally tell an assistant how many they have left. the guy last night blew his whistle, even started to raise his hand, and then changed his mind (and another official ran in to basically wave it off). the call was at the norwalk end and that's why a norwalk asst was immediately on the floor to question the fact that he swallowed his whistle. and Joe acted like a 2 year-old at the end when he chased after the official. I think you are right. The refs KNOW the timeout situation at the end of the game. It doesn't mean they can't forget in the heat of the moment just like a player. I would bet a dollar the Ontario players were told in the last huddle of regulation they were out of timeouts. It was pretty clear that Shaver was calling for a timeout and the baseline ref was going to award it as the buzzer went off. He very quickly changed his mind and signaled the time was out. Good call in my eyes. Imagine the uproar from Ontario had they put a Norwalk kid at the line with no time on the clock to win the game. That was not the first time officials had been chased off the floor by him, but it may be the last. There might have been a few seconds left when the timeout was called for, so it should have been granted.
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Post by dude on Mar 5, 2021 7:17:21 GMT -5
I think you are right. The refs KNOW the timeout situation at the end of the game. It doesn't mean they can't forget in the heat of the moment just like a player. I would bet a dollar the Ontario players were told in the last huddle of regulation they were out of timeouts. It was pretty clear that Shaver was calling for a timeout and the baseline ref was going to award it as the buzzer went off. He very quickly changed his mind and signaled the time was out. Good call in my eyes. Imagine the uproar from Ontario had they put a Norwalk kid at the line with no time on the clock to win the game. That was not the first time officials had been chased off the floor by him, but it may be the last. There might have been a few seconds left when the timeout was called for, so it should have been granted. There was not. You can see in the video.
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 5, 2021 7:59:52 GMT -5
Hopefully, Gray, Foster, and Lee have something up their sleeves to stop the Whippet Machine.
Upset special?
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Post by baldref on Mar 5, 2021 11:12:25 GMT -5
If game is close, Norwalk wins simply by better coaching Shelby wont be able to run away with this one so I'm going with truckers Either way, neither team gets by shawnee.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Mar 5, 2021 12:54:30 GMT -5
Has Shelby ever beaten Norwalk by a score of 75-57? That would be very fitting.
(This is not any sort of prediction btw)
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Post by maplecityjake on Mar 5, 2021 13:01:38 GMT -5
75-57? That sure helps my Dyslexia.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 5, 2021 13:08:50 GMT -5
Shelby's year.
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Post by dude on Mar 6, 2021 10:04:16 GMT -5
Shelby has won all season with better talent on their roster. The further you get down the post season path, the more coaching and changes comes into play. Tonight will be a true test for both teams. Norwalk has to find a way to reduce the talent gap and Shelby needs to make sure it does not come down to the last possession. Don't forget that last year, Shelby(18-5) was the higher seed and Norwalk(17-7) beat them.
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Post by perwalk on Mar 6, 2021 10:47:52 GMT -5
Norwalk definitely has a talent gap to make up. The only way to possibly do that is rebound, limit turnovers and be patient. If Norwalk were to get this done it would go down as one of their bigger upsets. At this point in the tournament a team that is double digits better than its opponent normally wins. Pace and fouls will have to play a role for Norwalk to win. Norwalk has NO pressure which is in their favor. I see Shelby pulling away late winning by 8-10 hope I’m wrong...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 11:01:38 GMT -5
Shelby has won all season with better talent on their roster. The further you get down the post season path, the more coaching and changes comes into play. Tonight will be a true test for both teams. Norwalk has to find a way to reduce the talent gap and Shelby needs to make sure it does not come down to the last possession. Don't forget that last year, Shelby(18-5) was the higher seed and Norwalk(17-7) beat them. All true statements. Anxious to see if Shelby has grown up mentally. Tonight will be a true test. Like you said a big talent gap. But when your this deep coaching along with other things become a factor.
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Post by crimson5 on Mar 6, 2021 11:02:28 GMT -5
Norwalk definitely has a talent gap to make up. The only way to possibly do that is rebound, limit turnovers and be patient. If Norwalk were to get this done it would go down as one of their bigger upsets. At this point in the tournament a team that is double digits better than its opponent normally wins. Pace and fouls will have to play a role for Norwalk to win. Norwalk has NO pressure which is in their favor. I see Shelby pulling away late winning by 8-10 hope I’m wrong... If Shelby is in a position to have to "pull away late", I'm taking Norwalk. If Norwalk is within 5 going into the 4th qtr, I say Norwalk wins.
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Post by baldref on Mar 6, 2021 11:47:04 GMT -5
Norwalk better defensively, better coaching and better depth. Truckers will control from outset and win.
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Post by perwalk on Mar 6, 2021 11:55:53 GMT -5
Norwalk better defensively, better coaching and better depth. Truckers will control from outset and win. Agree with this all the way until the last word hope I’m wrong we’ll see...
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Post by dude on Mar 6, 2021 12:14:53 GMT -5
Norwalk better defensively, better coaching and better depth. Truckers will control from outset and win. I think some may debate the depth. Norwalk's bench is routinely only 1-2 players.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 6, 2021 12:27:39 GMT -5
Norwalk needs to limit Shelby possessions by being patient on offense, without turning the ball over. Shorten the game, aa a close score entering the 4th quarter favors Norwalk. Unless Minor is able to successfully matchup defensively with Pugh, Norwalk will have a problem as have most teams this year. If you help off to double T.J. he's good at finding the open player, as long as he doesn't decide he has to do it all to win.
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Post by dude on Mar 6, 2021 13:23:03 GMT -5
Norwalk definitely has a talent gap to make up. The only way to possibly do that is rebound, limit turnovers and be patient. If Norwalk were to get this done it would go down as one of their bigger upsets. At this point in the tournament a team that is double digits better than its opponent normally wins. Pace and fouls will have to play a role for Norwalk to win. Norwalk has NO pressure which is in their favor. I see Shelby pulling away late winning by 8-10 hope I’m wrong... If Shelby is in a position to have to "pull away late", I'm taking Norwalk. If Norwalk is within 5 going into the 4th qtr, I say Norwalk wins. Can't wait.
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Post by jvchesster on Mar 6, 2021 19:38:06 GMT -5
Norwalk having a heck of time with that press and half court defense. Shelby has a nice team. Very aggressive.
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 6, 2021 19:38:19 GMT -5
Shelby up big half 38-18
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Post by whippetfan on Mar 6, 2021 19:38:47 GMT -5
Shelby playing really good defense, forcing 10 first half turnovers and Norwalk is shooting around 25% from the field. Shelby 38-18 at the half.
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