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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 15, 2022 16:22:37 GMT -5
It has been reported that a trade for Watson will take several future 1st round picks, Baker and at least another front line player. I can be held to just one if it's Myles Garret. That my NFL friends, is what a proven top ten NFL QB is worth these days, in a trade. Interestingly, Aaron Rodgers just signed a new contract worth 50 million/year. THE highest non QB in the NFL makes 20 million. There are 10 NFL QBs who make more than the highest paid non QB in the league. I've read it would look something like 3 1st rounders, 2 3rd rounders, Baker, Kareem, and Ward. Me personally from just a football stand point and allegations aside that's a trade I would make. You only get so many opportunities to get that type of talent at QB Watson is arguably a top 5 QB who is only 26 years old. With the roster the Browns have now they could win right away with Watson. RB and a CB are much easier to find than a franchise altering QB. Super Bowl windows are only open for so long. AND Watson has to approve the trade. What are the "massage therapists" like in Cleveland?
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Post by clb6110 on Mar 15, 2022 17:49:38 GMT -5
^^ I can't imagine Cleveland has the quality of "therapists" that NO or Atl have.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 13:57:47 GMT -5
Well that's interesting that Houston does Not want Baker Mayfield included in the trade for Deshaun Watson. I guess other teams are aware of what we've known all along about Baker Mayfield. He's a below average QB when healthy.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 16, 2022 14:18:02 GMT -5
^^ I can't imagine Cleveland has the quality of "therapists" that NO or Atl have. My granddaughter is majoring in Massage Therapy at Ashland U. I keep telling my wife, there's a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2022 22:29:03 GMT -5
Well that's interesting that Houston does Not want Baker Mayfield included in the trade for Deshaun Watson. I guess other teams are aware of what we've known all along about Baker Mayfield. He's a below average QB when healthy. They are tanking. Why would they want a qb on a one year deal?
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Post by baldref on Mar 17, 2022 9:04:12 GMT -5
I think Watson prefers an indoor or warm domain. He struggled in his last appearance in Cleveland, So if he rejects the Browns, whats next?>
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 17, 2022 11:10:06 GMT -5
He prefers to live closer to home.
Is there a QB from Ohio available?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 16:16:04 GMT -5
The Browns is the Browns
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Post by browns624 on Mar 18, 2022 14:56:23 GMT -5
Deshaun Watson is your Browns QB. What do you all think? Happy? Mad? He is a sketchy slimy guy.
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Post by browns624 on Mar 18, 2022 15:16:05 GMT -5
The trade is 3 1st round picks 1 2nd and 1 5th
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2022 16:06:26 GMT -5
I like it, and Bye Bye Baker ! Best of luck to you and your family, And your Backup QB endeavors.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 18, 2022 18:20:15 GMT -5
Deshaun Watson is your Browns QB. What do you all think? Happy? Mad? He is a sketchy slimy guy. The only way the Browns got him, must be they were the only team that didn't demand a morality clause in the contract. The NFL said this trade changes nothing in THIER investigation into the 22 charges of sexual assault. The Browns now need a really good back up. Hopefully he doesn't get suspended for more than a year. Now we will see how Berry can build a team, through free agency, without those picks
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Post by baldref on Mar 18, 2022 19:03:09 GMT -5
Deshaun Watson is your Browns QB. What do you all think? Happy? Mad? He is a sketchy slimy guy. The only way the Browns got him, must be they were the only team that didn't demand a morality clause in the contract. The NFL said this trade changes nothing in THIER investigation into the 22 charges of sexual assault. The Browns now need a really good back up. Hopefully he doesn't get suspended for more than a year. Now we will see how Berry can build a team, through free agency, without those picks Agree with this. Chances are reasonable good he won't play much, if at all, this season. The Browns have basically handcuffed their future for this talented scumbag. For the fans sake, hope it works out but always remember, it is cleveand we are talking about.
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Post by baldref on Mar 19, 2022 9:24:56 GMT -5
INTERESTING NATIONAL COLUMN ON WATSON MOVE
The member teams of the NFL are morally bankrupt.
They were yesterday. They are today. They will be tomorrow.
Friday's Deshaun Watson-Cleveland Browns news was only the latest confirmation.
Still facing 22 civil suits for sexual misconduct after a grand jury did not find cause to charge him criminally, and having not played in over a year, Watson and his agent David Mulugheta engaged in a disgusting game of "The NFL Bachelor," telling teams to make their pitches and then slowly letting finalists know who was still in the running for the final rose.
The wilted, thorn-covered rose.
After once telling the Browns they weren't pretty enough, Cleveland got a lot more attractive when it offered the thing everything almost always comes down to: money. The Browns committed to a five-year, fully guaranteed contract that included a raise, and suddenly they became the apple of Watson's eye.
True love is always found in dollars. Just like the poets taught us.
What a disgusting, though disgustingly familiar, message this sends, to players and the public.
To players, the notion is reinforced once again that if you're talented enough, it truly doesn't matter what you do or what you're accused of. The league will always have a place for you.
Actually, let's amend: It doesn't matter what you do to women, the league will always have a place for you.
If you take a stand for the rights of Black people like Colin Kaepernick did, you will be summarily exorcised and have coaches like Pete Carroll say things like, "Well, I know we don't have a quarterback and I believe he deserves a place in the NFL, it just won't be with us." Which is pretty much the American stance toward equity for Black people at large for the last 150 years or so.
Kneeling during a song, an entirely legal, Constitutionally protected act, gets you banned for life.
Reaching out to dozens of professional massage therapists when players typically work with just one or two, demanding they be alone while they work with you, then allegedly exposing yourself to them, ejaculating on some and forcing at least two to put their mouth on your penis gets you a five-year, fully guaranteed, record-breaking contract.
That's the way of the vaunted Shield you claim to protect so fiercely, right Roger Goodell? Deshaun Watson spent last season on the sidelines due in part to 22 lawsuits over varying degrees of sexual assault and misconduct. He was rewarded with a new team and the most guaranteed money in NFL history. What the hell kind of message does that send? (Thomas B. Shea-USA TODAY Sports) Deshaun Watson spent last season on the sidelines due in part to 22 lawsuits over varying degrees of sexual assault and misconduct. He was rewarded with a new team and the most guaranteed money in NFL history. What the hell kind of message does that send? (Thomas B. Shea-USA TODAY Sports)
In case you weren't paying attention over the last week, not facing criminal charges does not mean Watson is innocent. It means not enough evidence was presented for a grand jury to decline to indict. Via RAINN, the largest anti-sexual violence group in the country, of every 1,000 cases of sexual assault, only 310 are reported to police, and of those, only 50 lead to an arrest, and 28 of those end in a conviction. In that way, Watson's case is no different than nearly every single sexual assault case in this country, which underscores the fundamental problem our justice system has with believing women and prosecuting sexual crimes.
A woman in your life — more likely multiple women in your life — has been sexually harassed and/or sexually assaulted. Maybe it reached a level of criminality as defined by local law, maybe it didn't. But the mental and emotional scars have stayed with her for years since.
The Cleveland Browns are thumbing their nose at those women, reminding us why so few women come forward with accusations to begin with. Undoubtedly, the women Cleveland is insulting include members of their fan base and team employees.
But the Browns are no different than the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who employed Antonio Brown even after he was accused of forcible rape in a lawsuit and domestic violence by two women with whom he has children.
The Browns are no different than the league itself, which continues to protect Washington owner Dan Snyder despite nearly 50 women detailing an office environment rife with sexual harassment for years, allegations that include Snyder himself.
Anyone who has paid even a modicum of attention to the NFL knew this day was coming. That some team would trade for Watson, accusations and Watson pleading the Fifth in depositions be damned. Because the last time he played, he showed that he was a franchise-level quarterback, the one thing every team needs for success.
To Cleveland, a quarterback with nearly two dozen sexual misconduct accusations is a better option than a quarterback who is immature.
To Cleveland, a quarterback it may not even have for half this season because of those accusations is worth giving up three first-round picks.
To Cleveland, structuring Watson's contract so that when he is suspended he'll lose only a minimum amount of salary was worth agreeing to, which is arguably the most vile detail in all of this.
Maybe if we're all really lucky, the Browns and NFL will pander to our righteous rage by making the avatars on their social media channels teal in April to recognize Sexual Assault Awareness Month. You know, to show us how they really, truly care.
Just like how it painted "END RACISM" in end zones last season, which totally prevented some white middle school students in North Carolina from recently holding a mock slave auction and selling Black classmates, and students at Brookline High in Massachusetts from posting videos to social media of them saying the N-word or screaming racial epithets in school hallways.
Oh, wait. The field paint didn't prevent those.
Eh, no matter. It's not like the Browns or the NFL actually care anyway. As long as the money keeps rolling in, they'll do anything for show.
What a league. We'd say this is a low point, but it seems pretty obvious at this point that there isn't really a bottom for the NFL.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Mar 19, 2022 10:21:57 GMT -5
AND if the Browns win a Super Bowl title, there will be a parade in Cleveland with hundreds of thousands of adoring fans lining the streets, cheering Watson in the lead car.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2022 11:18:04 GMT -5
AND if the Browns win a Super Bowl title, there will be a parade in Cleveland with hundreds of thousands of adoring fans lining the streets, cheering Watson in the lead car. Hell just froze over. I agree with a Fillmore opinion
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Post by buckeyekid on Mar 19, 2022 12:15:17 GMT -5
Doesn’t matter what pro sport —- if you win that’s what matters to the fans of said team—Been that way for awhile. At least for probably 98% of their fans.
Read a thing on a fb message —-“ I’ll remain a Browns,fan but DW will never be my QB” SMH —- right ??
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Post by Glitch on Mar 20, 2022 23:25:31 GMT -5
I WAS looking forward to next season. Now, I don’t really care and the next 5 years are lost for me.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 20, 2022 23:28:36 GMT -5
Guess I’ll follow the Bears and see how Justin does.
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Post by cbus on Mar 21, 2022 4:43:43 GMT -5
I WAS looking forward to next season. Now, I don’t really care and the next 5 years are lost for me. The Kareem Hunt signing was OK but Watson is not? It's good that you have your "red lines" clearly defined.
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Post by browns624 on Mar 21, 2022 10:32:53 GMT -5
I think everyone has every right to feel how they want to about the Deshaun situation. You have the right to be angry and upset the Browns got him but let's not act like this is just a Browns problem. This is an NFL problem they have been putting a blind eye to sexual misconduct and assault forever. Also, we all pick and choose our morals when it's convenient for us and if someone fits our narratives and benefits us. A lot of us on this board voted for a president who was caught on camera saying "I'll grab her right by the P****" and been accused of sexual misconduct, we cheered on Kareem Hunt, we appreciate Jim Browns greatness etc etc. Deshaun will be no different he will win games and it will all be forgotten.
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Post by browns624 on Mar 21, 2022 12:50:34 GMT -5
Baker preferred to be traded to the Colts and the Colts just traded for Matt Ryan......they rather have 37-year-old Matt Ryan than Baker. Between the Texans and Colts not wanting Baker. The league is showing you what they think about his skill set.
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Post by Glitch on Mar 21, 2022 22:32:18 GMT -5
Truth be told, I haven’t been real excited about the Browns since they’ve been back. Tim Couch could have been a great QB but they didn’t want to build an offensive line for him. I’m a Chubb fan. Wasn’t happy about the Hunt deal either. Oh well. The salaries keep going up and the fans keep coming. It will catch up to the owners someday. Especially now that the fans are needing to spend those extra bucks to put food on the table and pay for gas. So the fan base is will deteriorate. Time will tell. Ramble done.
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 22, 2022 6:04:44 GMT -5
It's quite apparent, some NFL organizations have much lower standards than others. The insanely exhorbitant financial deal is offensive and ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 9:04:00 GMT -5
It's quite apparent, some NFL organizations have much lower standards than others. The insanely exhorbitant financial deal is offensive and ridiculous. Do we know it’s not a play to force Baltimore and Cincy to over pay for Jackson and Burrow?
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 22, 2022 17:02:43 GMT -5
It's quite apparent, some NFL organizations have much lower standards than others. The insanely exhorbitant financial deal is offensive and ridiculous. Do we know it’s not a play to force Baltimore and Cincy to over pay for Jackson and Burrow? Good question, but if it is, it's twisted logic and a losing strategy. We all know who the ultimate winner will be in an insanely spiraling pay scale that is artificially high.....the big money market teams.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 17:51:01 GMT -5
Do we know it’s not a play to force Baltimore and Cincy to over pay for Jackson and Burrow? Good question, but if it is, it's twisted logic and a losing strategy. We all know who the ultimate winner will be in an insanely spiraling pay scale that is artificially high.....the big money market teams. This isn’t baseball. There’s a salary cap
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Post by sportsjock on Mar 26, 2022 5:49:57 GMT -5
Good question, but if it is, it's twisted logic and a losing strategy. We all know who the ultimate winner will be in an insanely spiraling pay scale that is artificially high.....the big money market teams. This isn’t baseball. There’s a salary cap Good point, but I hope you're smiling when you say this.....lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2022 9:10:10 GMT -5
It's quite apparent, some NFL organizations have much lower standards than others. The insanely exhorbitant financial deal is offensive and ridiculous. Do we know it’s not a play to force Baltimore and Cincy to over pay for Jackson and Burrow? Im just going to leave this right here after listening to Baltimore’s owner cry about Watson’s contract
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Post by browns624 on Mar 30, 2022 10:24:22 GMT -5
Yeah, Ravens owner was not happy. Sounds like they had no plans to pay Lamar that type of money. Also, Goodell said Watson will not go on the exempt list and I've been hearing a lot of rumblings that Watson may not get suspended till next year because he is fighting the civil suits and isn't willing to settle and most people are saying it will be between anywhere from a 4-8 game suspension if it does happen.
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