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Oct 2, 2021 17:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by ryman11677 on Oct 2, 2021 17:41:08 GMT -5
Last night was the worst half of football west Holmes has played this year. I feel like they play down to teams they should come out and crush. Thankfully second half they got better and won. They need to come out faster and eliminate flags. This team is 7-0 but could easily be 4-3. On that token I support and go to all games let’s keep this rolling. I can handle a loss I can’t handle flags and sloppy play. Wooster vs. Mansfield is going to be really interesting at beginning of season I would have said Mansfield but lately I’m leaning Wooster.
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2021 8:45:24 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see how the season plays out. I did not see the 4th best team in D3 football on Friday night. I have never been a big supporter of AP rankings since many that vote have not knowledge of who they are voting for. This coming Friday could be a exciting game at Shelby.
I understand what you are saying about the mistakes. But if it happens once it can be a bad game. If it happens two or more times, it's who you are. From what I have seen, they are not a great team but they are good enough to win and sometimes that can be enough.
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2021 8:47:22 GMT -5
WH 27 Lex 10 Senior 28 Ashland 24 Wooster 39 Mt.V 7 Harding 57 Madison 21 Tough loss for Ashland and it has become habit for Mansfield to make every game closer than expected.
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Oct 3, 2021 10:18:46 GMT -5
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Post by ryman11677 on Oct 3, 2021 10:18:46 GMT -5
I would have west Holmes a top 10 team but a win no matter how it would come at Shelby I would have them top 5 for sure. Mansfield sr I think is a top 20 team but they have to play more effectively. As of this week only 3 OCC teams make playoffs in this new ridiculous 16 team playoff format. Go to 12 five top 4 a bye. It would be interesting to see where New Philadelphia would be this year either 1st or 2nd based upon what I’ve seen
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Post by dude on Oct 3, 2021 12:21:07 GMT -5
IMO, being top 10 is a huge difference from being 4th. To me beating Shelby will not change that. Shelby, who I do think is a solid team, has only played two teams with winning records and beat only one of them and it was Marion Harding. Again, I do think West Holmes is a good team and may win 5 or more games yet this season but I did not feel I was watching the 4th best team in DIII on Friday night. IMO
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Post by unc4life on Oct 4, 2021 9:31:18 GMT -5
The problem for the OCC this year is just the terrible non conference play. Its not all created equal but the results are the same.
We start with Ashland. 0-4 in non conference. But their opponents have a record of 23-5 and all would be in the playoffs today.
Wooster is 2-1 with Massillon still to play. But they have played no one. Wadsworth, Orrville and Lousiville have a combined 3 wins.
Madsion 0-3 in non conference...and missed out on a chance to play Ontario.
Mount Vernon 1-3 in non conference play. Win came against 0-7 Newark
Lexington 1-2 with River Valley to play
Mansfield 3-1. Have a nice non conference schedule.
West Holmes 3-0 with Shelby on deck.
So up to this point the OCC is 10-14 in non conference play. With a few more losses I have a feeling. If you want to start sending more teams to the playoffs your going to need to start winning more non conference games. You switch that to 14-10 your probably sending two more teams to the playoffs with this new format.
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Post by dude on Oct 4, 2021 10:21:16 GMT -5
Very true.
Madison at 0-5, Mt Vernon at 1-6, Ashland at 2-5 and Lexington at 2-5 do not give big boosts in points when they are played.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 4, 2021 12:19:57 GMT -5
It also will be interesting to see how teams schedule moving forward. Points used to matter a ton. You couldn't afford to play to many bad teams. Heck every now and then you had 9-1 and ever a rare 10-0 team that didn't make the playoffs. Now you just need a few wins. Look at Wooster. They are 4-3 and right in the mix (currently in) the playoffs. 4-3 is a nice record...Wooster has not beaten a team with a winning record. 3 of those wins come against teams with 1 win or less.
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Post by dude on Oct 4, 2021 13:35:07 GMT -5
I think you may be correct. If the current playoff layout stays next year and beyond, the regular season games will carry less value for each win. Madison(for example) could have a large number of teams wanting to play them since they could give a team a win, they are a D2 team but the second level points would not be needed.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 4, 2021 14:09:59 GMT -5
I look at Ashland and if you replace 2 of there non conference games with Newark and Orrville even with 1 win between them, they would be firmly in the playoffs vs out right now.
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Post by dude on Oct 4, 2021 19:02:14 GMT -5
I look at Ashland and if you replace 2 of there non conference games with Newark and Orrville even with 1 win between them, they would be firmly in the playoffs vs out right now. This may be true, but if you make the playoffs in the bottom 5 spots, do you really want to? The potential game between a #1 and #16 is not something many of us will have interest in.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 4, 2021 23:46:46 GMT -5
The additional teams per Region are akin to getting participation ribbons
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Oct 5, 2021 5:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by unc4life on Oct 5, 2021 5:35:42 GMT -5
I look at Ashland and if you replace 2 of there non conference games with Newark and Orrville even with 1 win between them, they would be firmly in the playoffs vs out right now. This may be true, but if you make the playoffs in the bottom 5 spots, do you really want to? The potential game between a #1 and #16 is not something many of us will have interest in. Last week was an example. Ashland last week was sitting in the bottom 5 of region 10 playoff standings…Mansfield was top 5 or so. Ashland was beating Mansfield the entire game till the last minute. Is it going to be like that everywhere..no, but there will be upsets, and it’s still another week to play football. I can tell you it’s going to hurt worse then ever to not be on the playoffs for the teams that don’t make it.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 5, 2021 6:29:21 GMT -5
This would be easy for the OHSAA to track. All they have to do is look at point differentials in first round games this year compared to previous years. If they are, on average, larger than past years they could reevaluate the choice for an additional round. I doubt they will, but they could.
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Post by dude on Oct 5, 2021 6:52:54 GMT -5
This may be true, but if you make the playoffs in the bottom 5 spots, do you really want to? The potential game between a #1 and #16 is not something many of us will have interest in. Last week was an example. Ashland last week was sitting in the bottom 5 of region 10 playoff standings…Mansfield was top 5 or so. Ashland was beating Mansfield the entire game till the last minute. Is it going to be like that everywhere..no, but there will be upsets, and it’s still another week to play football. I can tell you it’s going to hurt worse then ever to not be on the playoffs for the teams that don’t make it. If you would have told many high school football fans 8 weeks ago that Ashland would possibly not make a 16 team playoff in D3 Region 10, you would have been laughed at terribly. Your example may be a poor one, IMO. I would not be surprised if over a 1/3 of the games in week 11 had running clocks.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 5, 2021 10:17:28 GMT -5
This would be easy for the OHSAA to track. All they have to do is look at point differentials in first round games this year compared to previous years. If they are, on average, larger than past years they could reevaluate the choice for an additional round. I doubt they will, but they could. There will be no reevaluation by the OHSAA. The decision to double the the number of participants was driven by money. Like the Federal bureaucracy, once money is collected or dolled out, the program or reason for doing so is never reversed or rescinded.
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Post by dude on Oct 5, 2021 11:41:20 GMT -5
This would be easy for the OHSAA to track. All they have to do is look at point differentials in first round games this year compared to previous years. If they are, on average, larger than past years they could reevaluate the choice for an additional round. I doubt they will, but they could. The OHSAA leadership has said this to be a one year experiment in dealing with potential cancelations in dealing with continuing quarantines. This format can allow teams to have games canceled and still make the playoffs. We all know it is a major money grab to cover losses in 2020 and 2021. It was said the coaches association was not in total favor of having this set up.
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Oct 5, 2021 11:42:11 GMT -5
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 5, 2021 11:42:11 GMT -5
This would be easy for the OHSAA to track. All they have to do is look at point differentials in first round games this year compared to previous years. If they are, on average, larger than past years they could reevaluate the choice for an additional round. I doubt they will, but they could. There will be no reevaluation by the OHSAA. The decision to double the the number of participants was driven by money. Like the Federal bureaucracy, once money is collected or dolled out, the program or reason for doing so is never reversed or rescinded. I agree. I just didn’t have the energy to type that. The high school I went to had seven seasons in the 1970’s with zero or one loss and didn’t make the playoffs once. That’s a shame. No way a .500 record should even have you sniffing the playoffs. Like most things, follow the $$$.
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Oct 5, 2021 11:43:59 GMT -5
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 5, 2021 11:43:59 GMT -5
This would be easy for the OHSAA to track. All they have to do is look at point differentials in first round games this year compared to previous years. If they are, on average, larger than past years they could reevaluate the choice for an additional round. I doubt they will, but they could. The OHSAA leadership has said this to be a one year experiment in dealing with potential cancelations in dealing with continuing quarantines. This format can allow teams to have games canceled and still make the playoffs. We all know it is a major money grab to cover losses in 2020 and 2021. It was said the coaches association was not in total favor of having this set up. It’s too many games for a high school kid’s body. Plus it infringes on a player’s basketball season, too.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 5, 2021 11:46:00 GMT -5
This would be easy for the OHSAA to track. All they have to do is look at point differentials in first round games this year compared to previous years. If they are, on average, larger than past years they could reevaluate the choice for an additional round. I doubt they will, but they could. The OHSAA leadership has said this to be a one year experiment in dealing with potential cancelations in dealing with continuing quarantines. This format can allow teams to have games canceled and still make the playoffs. We all know it is a major money grab to cover losses in 2020 and 2021. It was said the coaches association was not in total favor of having this set up. Very rarely will the OHSAA go for less games. Once they add games...they don't go back. I still think 12 teams with the top 4 getting a bye makes the most sense. I think you get a few more good first round games, maybe grab a team or two that just missed out on the old format, give the top teams a week off, and then go from there.
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Post by dude on Oct 5, 2021 11:51:47 GMT -5
The OHSAA leadership has said this to be a one year experiment in dealing with potential cancelations in dealing with continuing quarantines. This format can allow teams to have games canceled and still make the playoffs. We all know it is a major money grab to cover losses in 2020 and 2021. It was said the coaches association was not in total favor of having this set up. It’s too many games for a high school kid’s body. Plus it infringes on a player’s basketball season, too. I think there is a valid case for that. You may see a few more kids drop football, the ones that do it just as a fall activity. If it would cut into there winter sport. Before this year most schools in Ohio only played a 10 game schedule and then moved on to Winter sports. Not the case this year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 5, 2021 11:52:35 GMT -5
The OHSAA leadership has said this to be a one year experiment in dealing with potential cancelations in dealing with continuing quarantines. This format can allow teams to have games canceled and still make the playoffs. We all know it is a major money grab to cover losses in 2020 and 2021. It was said the coaches association was not in total favor of having this set up. It’s too many games for a high school kid’s body. Plus it infringes on a player’s basketball season, too. I agree, but the OHSAA does not care about those 2 negatives
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Oct 5, 2021 12:00:08 GMT -5
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Post by sbclives on Oct 5, 2021 12:00:08 GMT -5
No way is the OHSAA going to drop 16 teams making playoffs after one year. If they stand to make a lot of money from this which they will no doubt then this won’t go away.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 5, 2021 13:51:41 GMT -5
The OHSAA leadership has said this to be a one year experiment in dealing with potential cancelations in dealing with continuing quarantines. This format can allow teams to have games canceled and still make the playoffs. We all know it is a major money grab to cover losses in 2020 and 2021. It was said the coaches association was not in total favor of having this set up. It’s too many games for a high school kid’s body. Plus it infringes on a player’s basketball season, too. Ohio is far from too much football. Go down south, those kids play football all year. regular season, spring practice, 7 on 7 all year, it never stops. One extra playoff game for a 14 teams in the whole state is not a big deal.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 5, 2021 15:05:53 GMT -5
It’s too many games for a high school kid’s body. Plus it infringes on a player’s basketball season, too. Ohio is far from too much football. Go down south, those kids play football all year. regular season, spring practice, 7 on 7 all year, it never stops. One extra playoff game for a 14 teams in the whole state is not a big deal. Because someone else does it doesn’t mean it isn’t too much. An incompletely developed musculoskeletal system is way more vulnerable to overuse injuries. That’s why pitchers have pitch counts. To win the state in Ohio this year requires a college football schedule worth of games played by 15-18 year olds. Changing sports also minimizes overuse injuries since the types of motion change. If you’re football 365 days a year you don’t get the cross training of basketball, wrestling, or baseball.
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Post by dude on Oct 5, 2021 20:10:44 GMT -5
One extra playoff game for a 14 teams in the whole state is not a big deal. It is more than 14 teams in the state getting an extra game.
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Oct 5, 2021 21:01:33 GMT -5
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Post by sbclives on Oct 5, 2021 21:01:33 GMT -5
It is more than 14 teams in the state getting an extra game. 7 Divisions with 2 teams each in the Finals would be 14 teams. Nothing gets by the dudester.
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Post by dude on Oct 5, 2021 21:16:07 GMT -5
It is more than 14 teams in the state getting an extra game. 7 Divisions with 2 teams each in the Finals would be 14 teams. Nothing gets by the dudester. Before this year, 7 divisions each had 32 teams making the playoffs = 224 teams. This year there are 64 teams in each of the 7 divisions = 448 teams. As I said, there are more than 14 teams in the state getting an extra game. Something got by you.
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Oct 5, 2021 23:23:49 GMT -5
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Post by sbclives on Oct 5, 2021 23:23:49 GMT -5
7 Divisions with 2 teams each in the Finals would be 14 teams. Nothing gets by the dudester. Before this year, 7 divisions each had 32 teams making the playoffs = 224 teams. This year there are 64 teams in each of the 7 divisions = 448 teams. As I said, there are more than 14 teams in the state getting an extra game. Something got by you. I hope you drank warm milk before you went to bed.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 6, 2021 8:06:11 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with teams getting an extra week. It used to take 15 games to win a state title. It will now take 16 with the added game. So only 14 teams will play that extra game. Who care that a bunch of teams will play an extra game. Tons of teams every year play 11-13 games. Just because a few teams get to play an extra game means nothing. The questions was playing an extra week of football...and that only effects 14 teams in the entire State. Its not a big deal.
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