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Post by dude on Oct 6, 2021 9:28:17 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with teams getting an extra week. It used to take 15 games to win a state title. It will now take 16 with the added game. So only 14 teams will play that extra game. Who care that a bunch of teams will play an extra game. Tons of teams every year play 11-13 games. Just because a few teams get to play an extra game means nothing. The questions was playing an extra week of football...and that only effects 14 teams in the entire State. Its not a big deal. My statement was the adding of additional games to the season for all teams, not just the state finalists. To be specific 224 team used to play 11 games each year. Now 448 teams will. 56 teams used to play 13 games and now 112 teams will. That is a lot more banged up kids going into winter sports with 2 weeks before Thanksgiving weekend.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 6, 2021 9:34:42 GMT -5
This has nothing to do with teams getting an extra week. It used to take 15 games to win a state title. It will now take 16 with the added game. So only 14 teams will play that extra game. Who care that a bunch of teams will play an extra game. Tons of teams every year play 11-13 games. Just because a few teams get to play an extra game means nothing. The questions was playing an extra week of football...and that only effects 14 teams in the entire State. Its not a big deal. My statement was the adding of additional games to the season for all teams, not just the state finalists. To be specific 224 team used to play 11 games each year. Now 448 teams will. 56 teams used to play 13 games and now 112 teams will. That is a lot more banged up kids going into winter sports with 2 weeks before Thanksgiving weekend. I would think the logical thing to do then is cut the basketball season to 15 games and start in January.
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 6, 2021 12:02:15 GMT -5
If your primary sport is football. What if you’re a pretty good football player and basketball is your primary sport. You’ll lose that kid from football. That’s a lot at lost athletes to another sport. If you think football participation is on the decline now wait until your suggestion is implemented.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 6, 2021 14:01:23 GMT -5
You guys do know they moved the season forward a week into the summer, not backward a week into the winter, right?
Week 11 will be happening October 29-30, which is when week 10 would have normally been. So the low seeds that get blown out in week 11 will be done with football after the same week they would have anyway under the previous schedule.
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Post by ryman11677 on Oct 6, 2021 17:39:36 GMT -5
I don’t care what sport it is you shouldn’t get rewarded for going under .500 in any sport period. We are getting so soft. If you play 10 games and can’t go 5-5 no playoffs for you don’t care the schedule you play. I would be for a playoff with as many team that are above .500. Now I know that even in 8 team playoffs for football it has happened that a 4-6 or even 3-7 has made playoffs. I don’t like it but at least it was only top 8.
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Post by dude on Oct 6, 2021 20:20:03 GMT -5
My statement was the adding of additional games to the season for all teams, not just the state finalists. To be specific 224 team used to play 11 games each year. Now 448 teams will. 56 teams used to play 13 games and now 112 teams will. That is a lot more banged up kids going into winter sports with 2 weeks before Thanksgiving weekend. I would think the logical thing to do then is cut the basketball season to 15 games and start in January. LMBO. Good luck with that seeing how kids are dropping out of football yearly. I'm sure making the season longer will help. 709 schools have football and 795 schools have basketball teams. Watch those numbers get further apart if you are not careful.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 7, 2021 8:35:43 GMT -5
I would think the logical thing to do then is cut the basketball season to 15 games and start in January. LMBO. Good luck with that seeing how kids are dropping out of football yearly. I'm sure making the season longer will help. 709 schools have football and 795 schools have basketball teams. Watch those numbers get further apart if you are not careful. All sports are losing kids... kids just don't want to play sports like they used to...mixed with way more options. The one thing football will always have is that everyone makes the team. I have seen numbers plummet in basketball at schools all around the area the last several years. You wont know it though because they only keep so many kids. You used to get a bunch of kids to try out...now you have coaches having to go beg kids to come out for the team. Its not just basketball either... all sports are seeing numbers go down. Some of it is there are way more options then 5-10 years ago. 5 years ago you would have laughed at having an esports team. Ashland will have more kids participating in esports this year then basketball. Its just the sign of the times.
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Post by dude on Oct 7, 2021 10:47:02 GMT -5
LMBO. Good luck with that seeing how kids are dropping out of football yearly. I'm sure making the season longer will help. 709 schools have football and 795 schools have basketball teams. Watch those numbers get further apart if you are not careful. All sports are losing kids... kids just don't want to play sports like they used to...mixed with way more options. The one thing football will always have is that everyone makes the team. I have seen numbers plummet in basketball at schools all around the area the last several years. You wont know it though because they only keep so many kids. You used to get a bunch of kids to try out...now you have coaches having to go beg kids to come out for the team. Its not just basketball either... all sports are seeing numbers go down. Some of it is there are way more options then 5-10 years ago. 5 years ago you would have laughed at having an esports team. Ashland will have more kids participating in esports this year then basketball. Its just the sign of the times. Kids participating may be going down but schools are not dropping all sports like they have been football. I have seen other sports have all-time numbers so it is not across the board. I don't know of any school around the area that has dropped the sport of basketball. I'm seeing more kids in some sports.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 7, 2021 12:31:42 GMT -5
All sports are losing kids... kids just don't want to play sports like they used to...mixed with way more options. The one thing football will always have is that everyone makes the team. I have seen numbers plummet in basketball at schools all around the area the last several years. You wont know it though because they only keep so many kids. You used to get a bunch of kids to try out...now you have coaches having to go beg kids to come out for the team. Its not just basketball either... all sports are seeing numbers go down. Some of it is there are way more options then 5-10 years ago. 5 years ago you would have laughed at having an esports team. Ashland will have more kids participating in esports this year then basketball. Its just the sign of the times. Kids participating may be going down but schools are not dropping all sports like they have been football. I have seen other sports have all-time numbers so it is not across the board. I don't know of any school around the area that has dropped the sport of basketball. I'm seeing more kids in some sports. The problem with this is schools that are "dropping" football probably shouldn't have football in the first place. If you have less then 50 boys in your school you shouldn't have a football team. There will always be more schools that have basketball than football. You only need 10 boys to field a basketball team. You do have some outliers. New London this year is an outlier. That reflects more on how terrible the program is then anything.
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Post by smitty1974 on Oct 8, 2021 20:31:25 GMT -5
west holmes 51 shelby 14 final not final yet but mansfield sr leads wooster 44-16 in the 4th quarter.
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Oct 8, 2021 22:01:44 GMT -5
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 8, 2021 22:01:44 GMT -5
Ashland 36 Lex 34 Mt.V 21 Madison 13
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Post by dude on Oct 10, 2021 17:34:38 GMT -5
Kids participating may be going down but schools are not dropping all sports like they have been football. I have seen other sports have all-time numbers so it is not across the board. I don't know of any school around the area that has dropped the sport of basketball. I'm seeing more kids in some sports. The problem with this is schools that are "dropping" football probably shouldn't have football in the first place. If you have less then 50 boys in your school you shouldn't have a football team. There will always be more schools that have basketball than football. You only need 10 boys to field a basketball team. You do have some outliers. New London this year is an outlier. That reflects more on how terrible the program is then anything. Exactly a good reason to not extend a season that takes more time by cutting a season that more schools and kids can participate in. Which was your suggestion. I have little hope but I would like to see the playoff return to the top 8 in a region.
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Post by ryman11677 on Oct 10, 2021 19:19:03 GMT -5
I would be ok with 12 teams. That would give top 4 teams a bye. And 5-8 a home playoff game. But going to 16 gives top 4 no benefits for having an exceptional year
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Post by fanofthegame on Oct 10, 2021 19:50:38 GMT -5
This could all be looked at objectively.
Look prior to expansion how many teams with good records and competitive schedules missed the playoffs to conclude is expansion even needed. Also look at the point differential in the first round. How many crap teams got in? Look at how often the higher seed lost to the lower seed. Do Harbin points reasonably predict how good a team is?
Repeat after expansion. If a low seed frequently beats a higher seed then the expansion was a good thing. My prediction is very few teams let in by expansion will win a first round game. We’ll see.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Oct 10, 2021 19:51:15 GMT -5
Standings:
4-0, 8-0 West Holmes 3-1, 6-2 Mansfield 3-1, 3-5 Ashland 2-2, 4-4 Wooster 1-3, 2-6 Mt. Vernon 1-4, 2-6 Lexington 0-3, 0-6 Madison
West Holmes has a chance to clinch a share of the OCC title with a win at Ashland. That would give them an excellent opportunity to win their first outright OCC title the following week at home against Mt. Vernon.
If Ashland pulls the upset, the OCC would be heading toward its 7th shared title in 10 seasons, with the possibility of it being the 5th tri-share in that same time frame.
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Post by ryman11677 on Oct 11, 2021 20:27:30 GMT -5
Are you sure mt. Vernon is going to play west Holmes this year? I mean last year we both had last week available and they said no. Which gave them a record of 5-4 and they can say winning season. Now I know west Holmes struggles in most other sports but I’m hoping for a 50 point win over mt. Vernon in 2 weeks.
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Post by dude on Oct 15, 2021 21:41:31 GMT -5
West Holmes clinches a share with a 21-7 win over Ashland.
Wooster takes a beating from Massillon 31-0
Mansfield wins on the road at Mt Vernon 26-6
Lexington embarrasses a Madison 43-0.
5-0, 9-0 West Holmes 4-1, 7-2 Mansfield 3-2, 3-6 Ashland 2-2, 4-5 Wooster 2-4, 3-6 Lexington 1-4, 2-7 Mt. Vernon 0-4, 0-7 Madison
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Post by unc4life on Oct 20, 2021 8:15:25 GMT -5
I know there is not a lot of excitement for the 16 team playoff, but the one bonus is it makes a decent amount of week 10 games that used to mean nothing very important.
Ashland vs Wooster - If normal 8 team playoffs both of these teams would be done. But with a win this week by either team they probably make the playoffs. I'm sure both will be wanting to get a win this week.
Lexington vs River Valley - While River Valley is probably in either way, Lexington still has a chance to make the playoff with a win and a few losses above them.
We will see how week 11 plays out, but at least for this week we still have some games that mean something.
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Post by dude on Oct 20, 2021 9:27:15 GMT -5
I know there is not a lot of excitement for the 16 team playoff, but the one bonus is it makes a decent amount of week 10 games that used to mean nothing very important. Ashland vs Wooster - If normal 8 team playoffs both of these teams would be done. But with a win this week by either team they probably make the playoffs. I'm sure both will be wanting to get a win this week. Lexington vs River Valley - While River Valley is probably in either way, Lexington still has a chance to make the playoff with a win and a few losses above them. We will see how week 11 plays out, but at least for this week we still have some games that mean something. It is interesting that all three of the OCC teams you mentioned do not have a "Possible Playoff Status" listed on the Joe Eitel page. They are all blank. I know it is unofficial but it makes for good reading and discussion.
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Post by dude on Oct 22, 2021 23:05:02 GMT -5
6-0, 10-0 West Holmes = 2021 OCC Champs = PLAYOFFS hosting 5-1, 8-2 Mansfield = PLAYOFFS hosting 3-2, 5-5 Wooster = PLAYOFFS 3-3, 3-7 Ashland 2-4, 4-6 Lexington = PLAYOFFS 1-5, 2-8 Mt. Vernon 0-5, 0-8 Madison
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Post by unc4life on Oct 23, 2021 18:24:42 GMT -5
Worst Ashland season in 20 years…. Wouldn’t mind a coaching change Seder can’t do both wrestling and football and keep both going. Unfortunately Ashland’s AD is about as bad as they come, look for it to be worse next year.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 23, 2021 22:08:56 GMT -5
6-0, 10-0 West Holmes = 2021 OCC Champs = PLAYOFFS hosting 5-1, 8-2 Mansfield = PLAYOFFS hosting 3-2, 5-5 Wooster = PLAYOFFS 3-3, 3-7 Ashland 2-4, 4-6 Lexington = PLAYOFFS 1-5, 2-8 Mt. Vernon 0-5, 0-8 Madison I know a Lex parent who did not want Lex to win since her son is much better in a winter sport. She's worried about him getting injured in a meaningless game.
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Post by unc4life on Oct 24, 2021 8:36:03 GMT -5
6-0, 10-0 West Holmes = 2021 OCC Champs = PLAYOFFS hosting 5-1, 8-2 Mansfield = PLAYOFFS hosting 3-2, 5-5 Wooster = PLAYOFFS 3-3, 3-7 Ashland 2-4, 4-6 Lexington = PLAYOFFS 1-5, 2-8 Mt. Vernon 0-5, 0-8 Madison I know a Lex parent who did not want Lex to win since her son is much better in a winter sport. She's worried about him getting injured in a meaningless game. Lexington is playing Mansfield sr…in the playoffs. They played a pretty good game in the regular season. Why on earth would you not want to play this game. This honestly might be the dumbest thing I have ever seen on this forum. Truthfully I can’t believe anyone would say that.
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Post by ryman11677 on Oct 24, 2021 10:04:25 GMT -5
Lexington shouldn’t be in playoffs. They should’ve stopped with top 12
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Post by dude on Oct 24, 2021 10:29:34 GMT -5
Lexington shouldn’t be in playoffs. They should’ve stopped with top 12 Unfortunately there are much worse teams in the playoffs. Try being 0-10 and earning a playoff spot.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 24, 2021 13:08:14 GMT -5
Lexington shouldn’t be in playoffs. They should’ve stopped with top 12 Unfortunately there are much worse teams in the playoffs. Try being 0-10 and earning a playoff spot. Try being the person who picked Willard to win every week and waiting ten weeks to finally get it right.
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Post by dude on Oct 24, 2021 13:22:20 GMT -5
Unfortunately there are much worse teams in the playoffs. Try being 0-10 and earning a playoff spot. Try being the person who picked Willard to win every week and waiting ten weeks to finally get it right. That person probably displays all their kid's participation ribbons in their home trophy case.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 24, 2021 13:51:47 GMT -5
Try being the person who picked Willard to win every week and waiting ten weeks to finally get it right. That person probably displays all their kid's participation ribbons in their home trophy case. As long as you show up and have a pulse then we are all winners, right?
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Post by dude on Oct 24, 2021 18:12:27 GMT -5
That person probably displays all their kid's participation ribbons in their home trophy case. As long as you show up and have a pulse then we are all winners, right? Wrong, if we show up and have a pulse we are alive and present only.
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Post by sbclives on Oct 24, 2021 19:36:34 GMT -5
As long as you show up and have a pulse then we are all winners, right? Wrong, if we show up and have a pulse we are alive and present only. That’s not very nice. My kid is an all star and should be treated as such. Now let me count my participation ribbons.
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