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Post by sweathog on May 3, 2021 15:05:43 GMT -5
So is Willard jumping ship again, moving to n 10?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 3, 2021 16:09:09 GMT -5
"TEAMS"....more than one?
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Post by kingmartinez on May 3, 2021 19:34:55 GMT -5
Pleasant sent letter to N10 with idea Willard would join them. Willard sent letter year or so ago so it was piggybacking on that, from last I heard.
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Post by jvchesster on May 3, 2021 19:44:56 GMT -5
If any of you saw this years boys district semi final game you will know Willard will not be joining the n10. Cc don’t want the competition. Sad but true.
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Post by dude on May 4, 2021 7:43:31 GMT -5
If any of you saw this years boys district semi final game you will know Willard will not be joining the n10. Cc don’t want the competition. Sad but true. Do you really think CC would have concerns about joining a league with Willard over a single game. Don't forget the 30 point loss that Willard received from Oak Harbor but they still joined a league.
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Post by fbfan on May 4, 2021 10:31:13 GMT -5
The facts: Willard has been trying to join N10 since it started in 2014. That was after Willard turned down the NCC's offer previous to that. Willard had their chance.
CC is 2-1 vs. Willard in BB tournament since inception of N10 in 2014.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 4, 2021 12:10:50 GMT -5
The rational of wins and loses against a non-league school in the tournament is much easier to justify than having to play that same school twice a year, every year in league play as well as in the tournament. IF Pleasant wants to run, I'm sure a trade could be worked out for Upper, which most likely would be met with glee by the rest of the n-10.
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 8:41:23 GMT -5
If Willard and Pleasant were to join the N10 it would make a 10 team league for football but 11 teams for many other sports. Would Ridgedale look for a more favorable spot? Is there one?
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Post by edchambers on May 5, 2021 9:23:47 GMT -5
If Willard and Pleasant were to join the N10 it would make a 10 team league for football but 11 teams for many other sports. Would Ridgedale look for a more favorable spot? Is there one? Isn't Ridgedale headed to the NWCC for '21-'22?
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 9:43:25 GMT -5
If Willard and Pleasant were to join the N10 it would make a 10 team league for football but 11 teams for many other sports. Would Ridgedale look for a more favorable spot? Is there one? Isn't Ridgedale headed to the NWCC for '21-'22? I had not heard that but if it's true then Pleasant and Willard would make the N10 full with 10 teams in all major sports.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2021 9:45:44 GMT -5
Isn't Ridgedale headed to the NWCC for '21-'22? I had not heard that but if it's true then Pleasant and Willard would make the N10 full with 10 teams in all major sports. so what is the liklihood that pleasant and willard actually get accepted into the N10?
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Post by sweathog on May 5, 2021 10:03:22 GMT -5
Isn't Ridgedale headed to the NWCC for '21-'22? I had not heard that but if it's true then Pleasant and Willard would make the N10 full with 10 teams in all major sports. Ridgedale is gone, my understanding!! It all comes down to if CCCC and DS will let them join his league!! LOL
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 10:26:06 GMT -5
I had not heard that but if it's true then Pleasant and Willard would make the N10 full with 10 teams in all major sports. so what is the liklihood that pleasant and willard actually get accepted into the N10? I don't know of any reason why they would not be seriously considered if they did actually apply.
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Post by fbfan on May 5, 2021 11:37:52 GMT -5
so what is the liklihood that pleasant and willard actually get accepted into the N10? I don't know of any reason why they would not be seriously considered if they did actually apply. One reason is, that they are happy with 8 for scheduling and non conference opportunities. The reason that no active search for another school was done when the number dropped to 9 when Crestline left. Ten teams was a last minute consideration for Bucyrus when they flip flopped about leaving the NCC, not what they consider an ideal number. After Ridgedale exits at the end of this school year, I think the N10 may consider going to the expense of changing the name.
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 11:55:30 GMT -5
I don't know of any reason why they would not be seriously considered if they did actually apply. One reason is, that they are happy with 8 for scheduling and non conference opportunities. The reason that no active search for another school was done when the number dropped to 9 when Crestline left. Ten teams was a last minute consideration for Bucyrus when they flip flopped about leaving the NCC, not what they consider an ideal number. After Ridgedale exits at the end of this school year, I think the N10 may consider going to the expense of changing the name. If the current N10 schools look to make football playoffs they schedule larger schools or stronger schools they can beat. the addition of Pleasant and Willard would give them both for two of the games they currently try to fill. It's a positive situation and the original craftsman of the N10 liked having 10 schools so that may not have changed. As for the other sports, the schedule allows for so many games that ten team league is not a negative.
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Post by fbfan on May 5, 2021 12:23:24 GMT -5
One reason is, that they are happy with 8 for scheduling and non conference opportunities. The reason that no active search for another school was done when the number dropped to 9 when Crestline left. Ten teams was a last minute consideration for Bucyrus when they flip flopped about leaving the NCC, not what they consider an ideal number. After Ridgedale exits at the end of this school year, I think the N10 may consider going to the expense of changing the name. If the current N10 schools look to make playoffs they schedule larger schools or stronger schools they can beat. the addition of Pleasant and Willard would give them both for two of the games they currently try to fill. It's a positive situation and the original craftsman of the N10 liked having 10 schools so that may not have changed. That's a football only perspective. I think they enjoy the flexibility 3 NC games gives them. And if you look, the top teams each year in the N10 have had no trouble making the playoffs. They could still schedule Pleasant if they wanted. (Willard also, but why?) In other sports, with 8 teams, the double round robin gives a home and home game, and still leaves plenty of NC opportunities. A lot of coaches like that. I don't agree with you about the "original craftsmen" intent. As I alluded to, 10 teams was not the original plan, it only came about when Bucyrus saw the writing on the wall and changed their mind about leaving the NCC, and asked to join the N10.
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 12:26:08 GMT -5
You missed my update.
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Post by fbfan on May 5, 2021 12:30:24 GMT -5
Yes, I did, but I still stand by my opinions. When Pleasant and Willard are approved for membership in the N10. I will come on here and admit I was wrong.
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 12:40:58 GMT -5
If the current N10 schools look to make playoffs they schedule larger schools or stronger schools they can beat. the addition of Pleasant and Willard would give them both for two of the games they currently try to fill. It's a positive situation and the original craftsman of the N10 liked having 10 schools so that may not have changed. That's a football only perspective. I think they enjoy the flexibility 3 NC games gives them. And if you look, the top teams each year in the N10 have had no trouble making the playoffs. They could still schedule Pleasant if they wanted. (Willard also, but why?) In other sports, with 8 teams, the double round robin gives a home and home game, and still leaves plenty of NC opportunities. A lot of coaches like that. I don't agree with you about the "original craftsmen" intent. As I alluded to, 10 teams was not the original plan, it only came about when Bucyrus saw the writing on the wall and changed their mind about leaving the NCC, and asked to join the N10. Respectfully, the original league was called the Northern 10 because it was 10 schools. Not 9 waiting for a 10th. All 10 voted on having 10 teams which means they were okay with it. If the founding fathers of that new league had only wanted 8 and were strongly in favor of only having 8 it would not have been the N10 regardless of what Bucyrus wanted. Even when Riverdale backed out they still went after US to stay at 10. I would think that shows they want a league of 10 or at a minimum are okay with being a league of 10.
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 12:42:18 GMT -5
Yes, I did, but I still stand by my opinions. When Pleasant and Willard are approved for membership in the N10. I will come on here and admit I was wrong. Neither of us know if they will even get the chance. Lots of factors. But in talking with some people of the N10 they are not against a 10 team league.
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Post by jvchesster on May 5, 2021 20:08:54 GMT -5
Sheldon doesn’t want the competition. It’s not just Willard people that say that either. Wasn’t gallion shown the door several years ago for that reason?
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Post by dude on May 5, 2021 21:44:16 GMT -5
Sheldon doesn’t want the competition. It’s not just Willard people that say that either. Wasn’t gallion shown the door several years ago for that reason? If that were true they would not have invited US. If Sheldon did not want competition he would still be playing Galion.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 5, 2021 22:47:16 GMT -5
You can't have everything. Galion was gotten rid of due to their football and Ontario for basketball. They took Upper back because they thought since the Dieblers were gone they'd be easier prey.
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Post by dude on May 6, 2021 12:26:17 GMT -5
I don't know of any reason why they would not be seriously considered if they did actually apply. One reason is, that they are happy with 8 for scheduling and non conference opportunities. The reason that no active search for another school was done when the number dropped to 9 when Crestline left. Ten teams was a last minute consideration for Bucyrus when they flip flopped about leaving the NCC, not what they consider an ideal number. After Ridgedale exits at the end of this school year, I think the N10 may consider going to the expense of changing the name. On another topic there is a poster saying the N10 will be voting in June on weather to add Willard and Pleasant.
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Post by fbfan on May 6, 2021 15:33:36 GMT -5
One reason is, that they are happy with 8 for scheduling and non conference opportunities. The reason that no active search for another school was done when the number dropped to 9 when Crestline left. Ten teams was a last minute consideration for Bucyrus when they flip flopped about leaving the NCC, not what they consider an ideal number. After Ridgedale exits at the end of this school year, I think the N10 may consider going to the expense of changing the name. On another topic there is a poster saying the N10 will be voting in June on weather to add Willard and Pleasant. I have no problem what-so-ever believing that, it has been generally known that Willard has been interested for some time. If those two have made a formal written inquiry, it would be appropriate to put it to a vote. Contrary to what some on here believe, 1 school does not make the decisions for the N10. It will take 6 of the 8 members to approve.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 6, 2021 20:13:54 GMT -5
That's not bad, some take unanimity, or at least after the first vote nays get a chance to change their vote, so as not to look like bad guys.
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Post by runawaytrain on May 7, 2021 6:14:19 GMT -5
It’s not like Pleasant doesn’t have a history with most of those N10 schools, back to the old NCC days.
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Post by fbfan on May 7, 2021 7:09:40 GMT -5
It’s not like Pleasant doesn’t have a history with most of those N10 schools, back to the old NCC days. You are correct. In fact, Pleasant was a charter member of the NCC in 1962. Then in 1990 they left along with 5 other members for better opportunities to the South. Much like the schools that left the NCC in 2011 to form the N10. League shake-ups are nothing new. Nothing wrong with looking for better opportunities and circumstances for your school.
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Post by dude on May 7, 2021 7:15:23 GMT -5
On another topic there is a poster saying the N10 will be voting in June on weather to add Willard and Pleasant. I have no problem what-so-ever believing that, it has been generally known that Willard has been interested for some time. If those two have made a formal written inquiry, it would be appropriate to put it to a vote. Contrary to what some on here believe, 1 school does not make the decisions for the N10. It will take 6 of the 8 members to approve. I didn't think you had a problem with it, what I was pointing out is IF this is true it means they are considering it. Which you claimed they had no interest in doing. When Lexington sent a letter of interest to the MOAC it never went to a principal's vote by to add them or not. I was decided in a regular meeting to not move forward with discussion of the possibility of adding them. IF this is truly going to a vote to invite these schools then that means it has already been discussed enough to proceed and now the principals are voting. I do not think 1 school will make this decision but it is safe to know that 1 school is more active in the actions of the N10.
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Post by dude on May 7, 2021 7:18:28 GMT -5
It’s not like Pleasant doesn’t have a history with most of those N10 schools, back to the old NCC days. You are correct. In fact, Pleasant was a charter member of the NCC in 1962. Then in 1990 they left along with 5 other members for better opportunities to the South. Much like the schools that left the NCC in 2011 to form the N10. League shake-ups are nothing new. Nothing wrong with looking for better opportunities and circumstances for your school. I see this as a good change if it happens. All the schools are of similar size and appear to have no concerns with the other. And, so far, there has not been a school dominating the league titles in all sports.
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