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Post by jmorgret07 on May 27, 2021 20:14:47 GMT -5
I know edchambers posted it, but this might deserve a thread on its own.
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Post by 4 on May 27, 2021 20:21:02 GMT -5
This a bomb shell. Shelby lost a good young coach. Hard to come by
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 27, 2021 20:33:48 GMT -5
More to being a "good young coach" than coaching
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Post by dude on May 27, 2021 21:02:32 GMT -5
This a bomb shell. Shelby lost a good young coach. Hard to come by Do you think he was not renewed because of coaching?
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Post by 4 on May 27, 2021 21:07:12 GMT -5
I know for a fact he was not removed for coaching.
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Post by dude on May 27, 2021 21:09:18 GMT -5
I know for a fact he was not removed for coaching. Exactly, so maybe the reason he was removed was because of something inexcusable.
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Post by 4 on May 27, 2021 21:32:30 GMT -5
I know for a fact he was not removed for coaching. Exactly, so maybe the reason he was removed was because of something inexcusable. Or maybe it wasn’t true
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Post by dude on May 27, 2021 21:52:10 GMT -5
Exactly, so maybe the reason he was removed was because of something inexcusable. Or maybe it wasn’t true Ok, so NOW you are saying that a school released a coach after winning a District Title from a rumor? You must think very little of Shelby and their leaders.
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Post by 4 on May 27, 2021 22:09:42 GMT -5
I don’t do the back and forths on these forums. There are people who said he didn’t do it, people said he did. Fact is Shelby lost a coach over bitterness and it hurt their program. All I’ll say.
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Post by dude on May 27, 2021 22:26:35 GMT -5
I don’t do the back and forths on these forums. There are people who said he didn’t do it, people said he did. Fact is Shelby lost a coach over bitterness and it hurt their program. All I’ll say. It sounds like Shelby never lost a coach, they fired him. The truth will come.
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Post by rcsportsfan on May 27, 2021 23:08:10 GMT -5
You do not keep your job when you make racist or intellectual disability comments towards student athletes.
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Post by sweathog on May 28, 2021 8:32:31 GMT -5
Oh boy the racist card, I am so sick of this, You are only a racist if you are white. Don't know what happened, All I will say if I want to call you an SOB or what ever, so be it!! Some will say this doesn't belong on this topic, don't really care about that either. Changing coach again after what, 2 years doesn't help the program at all!! I don't know who would want to be a coach today with all the stupid parents that think they know more than the coach and their poor boy or girls doesn't get to play like they think he should!! As far as his record, it was good, don't believe they had a lot of competition, just my opinion!! Good luck finding a coach Shelby!!
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Post by dude on May 28, 2021 8:38:54 GMT -5
Oh boy the racist card, I am so sick of this, You are only a racist if you are white. Don't know what happened, All I will say if I want to call you an SOB or what ever, so be it!! Some will say this doesn't belong on this topic, don't really care about that either. Changing coach again after what, 2 years doesn't help the program at all!! I don't know who would want to be a coach today with all the stupid parents that think they know more than the coach and their poor boy or girls doesn't get to play like they think he should!! As far as his record, it was good, don't believe they had a lot of competition, just my opinion!! Good luck finding a coach Shelby!! I will predict that Shelby with have more applicants than what Ontario did to replace their long time coach. It is a little late in the year for a change but that considered, Shelby is and has been a solid program. I believe in and support your freedom to call someone an SOB or what ever. Just be aware that if you are employed by a school system and you make those comments towards the kids, it will not be tolerated and you are subject to be fired immediately.
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Post by whippetfan on May 28, 2021 10:05:29 GMT -5
I have spoken with multiple people about this who have a vested interest. From what I’ve heard the decision was not made lightly and was not based on a singular event. If the things that have apparently been said were indeed said then I agree with their decision. But I am frustrated for a few reasons. One, as a former Whippet player, I liked the direction Loney was taking the program. Yes the success these past two years had a lot to do with that. But more importantly, he got the boys excited about playing again, something that was lacking under the prior coach. My second frustration is with the generation of children we are raising who feel offended by being called a name. I can guarantee most of us on here were HS athletes at one point and were called all kinds of things by our coaches. I know I was. But I didn’t go home crying to Mom and Dad to get it dealt with. I laced up the sneakers a little tighter and worked harder. In closing, if we are all going to judge a coach or for that matter any individual about comments they make, should we also not look ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves if we have done that very same thing? I can bet every one of us has called a coworker, customer or someone else a name in the presence of others. If that is the case, should we all not face the same fate?
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Post by fanofthegame on May 28, 2021 10:54:38 GMT -5
I agree that he had the kids excited to play the game. I agree that had been lacking.
I agree we have a generation of kids that are a little soft and their parents let them get away with it. The parent that will drag a kid back to practice to apologize and ask to be back on the team like the movie Hoosiers is the exception where it used to be the rule.
If anything racist was said and confirmed by more than one source that is unacceptable, period. If he called little Johnny soft or lazy maybe little Johnny is and needs to hear that.
I know the administration well and trust them. I’ve had some issues with board members in the past, but never the administration.
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Post by richrod on May 28, 2021 11:19:05 GMT -5
I have spoken with multiple people about this who have a vested interest. From what I’ve heard the decision was not made lightly and was not based on a singular event. If the things that have apparently been said were indeed said then I agree with their decision. But I am frustrated for a few reasons. One, as a former Whippet player, I liked the direction Loney was taking the program. Yes the success these past two years had a lot to do with that. But more importantly, he got the boys excited about playing again, something that was lacking under the prior coach. My second frustration is with the generation of children we are raising who feel offended by being called a name. I can guarantee most of us on here were HS athletes at one point and were called all kinds of things by our coaches. I know I was. But I didn’t go home crying to Mom and Dad to get it dealt with. I laced up the sneakers a little tighter and worked harder. In closing, if we are all going to judge a coach or for that matter any individual about comments they make, should we also not look ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves if we have done that very same thing? I can bet every one of us has called a coworker, customer or someone else a name in the presence of others. If that is the case, should we all not face the same fate? I agree with a lot of this, but I guess the only difference is in the last sentence. There are varying degrees to what was said, the context, the environment it was said, and whether the position of the person saying it is. Which makes issues like these pretty gray and usually schools will side on the cautious side and just eliminate the possible issue before it gets bigger because of how public they are. IMO Either way, when you take a position like being a Head Coach, you gotta know that how you communicate matters more than most other positions. So you need to leave little doubt as to your intentions and meaning in what you say. Just my 2 cents
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 28, 2021 12:44:34 GMT -5
I have spoken with multiple people about this who have a vested interest. From what I’ve heard the decision was not made lightly and was not based on a singular event. If the things that have apparently been said were indeed said then I agree with their decision. But I am frustrated for a few reasons. One, as a former Whippet player, I liked the direction Loney was taking the program. Yes the success these past two years had a lot to do with that. But more importantly, he got the boys excited about playing again, something that was lacking under the prior coach. My second frustration is with the generation of children we are raising who feel offended by being called a name. I can guarantee most of us on here were HS athletes at one point and were called all kinds of things by our coaches. I know I was. But I didn’t go home crying to Mom and Dad to get it dealt with. I laced up the sneakers a little tighter and worked harder. In closing, if we are all going to judge a coach or for that matter any individual about comments they make, should we also not look ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves if we have done that very same thing? I can bet every one of us has called a coworker, customer or someone else a name in the presence of others. If that is the case, should we all not face the same fate? Any and all people of authority might have a negative thought about an individual, but should NEVER verbalize that thought in presence of others. It takes self control and intelligence to keep certain thoughts to oneself. Lacking self control disqualifies people from positions of leadership.
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Post by shelbyrr11 on May 28, 2021 13:36:50 GMT -5
Systemic behavior can be more damning to a kid's self-esteem than the occasional tough love approach. This generation is soft, sure, (thank you to all the tough parents who raised us), but I think most of us can still shake off the occasional harsh comment from a coach. My concern would be if the pattern of treatment to someone was consistently off-beat with how others in a similar category of player was treated. Unless there was a pure fireball of an event that happened, it should be acknowledged that multiple, smaller, & targeted comments can create a different emotional jerk than one blowup for a botched decision. I don't know enough to elaborate more, but I hesitate to think a lot of this would have been brought up lightly. My Family Feud guesses for the Shelby administration would be level-minded, measured, and reasonable. I trust they took the time to understand the situation as cleanly as they were able to. I'm sure a lot of us would happily defer being in a decision-making capacity for this.
I think it will be easy to move on from this. The past two years was a palate cleanser for Shelby in many ways. Culturally, I think there is enough momentum for kids (plus a huge hole opening with Pugh/Lantz gone) to want to keep pushing ahead and continue establishing the program. If there are any shortcomings in that department, then I'll substitute teach again this next school year and continue my vigilante distribution of Shelby nationalistic propaganda to the youth of our town. Yes, this includes the overhaul of the school library, formerly referred to as the "Red Rage."
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Post by kingmartinez on May 28, 2021 15:34:34 GMT -5
Is this the guy that seems to regularly dog his kids in the media? That’s telling enough for me of his character.
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Post by defense101 on May 28, 2021 16:12:52 GMT -5
I hear Coach Winslow of Upper Sandusky is interested
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 28, 2021 16:27:58 GMT -5
Is this the guy that seems to regularly dog his kids in the media? That’s telling enough for me of his character. And "dog" others in the media. Some have no clue when they're "dogging". I had heard that there's been significant growth in the race care design and building business. As well as hopes of continued success in the driving career, the true love. The personality should be better suited there.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on May 28, 2021 16:28:34 GMT -5
I hear Coach Winslow of Upper Sandusky is interested "Movin' on up"
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Post by fanofthegame on May 29, 2021 6:29:48 GMT -5
We have a concept in medicine call gallows humor. We laugh and joke very inappropriately about very sensitive things. It’s a coping mechanism when you deal with death, pain, and anguish on a regular basis. Early in my career I made an inappropriate comment that was overheard by the individual involved in the comment. It was a 16 year old girl and she called me out. It was a godsend because that 16 year old taught me a valuable lesson early in my career. I apologized to her in front of all my staff whom I’d made the comment to. Is gallows humor an acceptable coping mechanism? I believe it is, but it has to be done very privately. People in certain positions are going to be held to a different standard, right or wrong. From what I’ve gathered, if it is accurate, what was said wouldn’t get some guys at the bar in trouble, but just won’t fly as a head basketball coach. If what I heard is true (I’m going to keep saying that because it’s all second hand) then hopefully Loney will learn from this like I did from that 16 year old twenty years ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2021 12:38:20 GMT -5
We have a concept in medicine call gallows humor. We laugh and joke very inappropriately about very sensitive things. It’s a coping mechanism when you deal with death, pain, and anguish on a regular basis. Early in my career I made an inappropriate comment that was overheard by the individual involved in the comment. It was a 16 year old girl and she called me out. It was a godsend because that 16 year old taught me a valuable lesson early in my career. I apologized to her in front of all my staff whom I’d made the comment to. Is gallows humor an acceptable coping mechanism? I believe it is, but it has to be done very privately. People in certain positions are going to be held to a different standard, right or wrong. From what I’ve gathered, if it is accurate, what was said wouldn’t get some guys at the bar in trouble, but just won’t fly as a head basketball coach. If what I heard is true (I’m going to keep saying that because it’s all second hand) then hopefully Loney will learn from this like I did from that 16 year old twenty years ago. Good post. Not being able to read the room is a big reason that Trump was not re-elected
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Post by dude on May 29, 2021 16:34:18 GMT -5
Good post. Not being able to read the room is a big reason that Trump was not re-elected Hahahahahahahaha. yeah, that’s the reason.
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Post by buckeyekid on May 30, 2021 17:56:51 GMT -5
lets get Homan over to Willard and call it a day.
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Post by edchambers on May 31, 2021 14:34:05 GMT -5
Sure didn't take long to name a replacement.
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Post by jmorgret07 on May 31, 2021 15:23:30 GMT -5
Greg Gallaway has been named the new head coach at Shelby High School, replacing Nathon Loney.
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Post by usramfan on May 31, 2021 15:43:20 GMT -5
Sure didn't take long to name a replacement. No kidding.
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Post by dude on May 31, 2021 18:27:07 GMT -5
Greg is a teacher in the Shelby system and has been coaching at his home school of Ashland high School and is a graduate of Ashland University.
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