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Post by dude on Jun 22, 2021 21:42:31 GMT -5
Is he a transfer that will have to sit games or did the family move into the Norwalk district? He’s a freshman. They can open enroll without penalty So he open enrolled to Norwalk and still lives in Willard?
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Post by jvchesster on Jun 22, 2021 21:55:00 GMT -5
He’s a freshman. They can open enroll without penalty So he open enrolled to Norwalk and still lives in Willard? Yes sir. Still lives in the district and open enrolled to Norwalk
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Post by guyfawkes on Jun 22, 2021 22:42:35 GMT -5
So he open enrolled to Norwalk and still lives in Willard? Yes sir. Still lives in the district and open enrolled to Norwalk To my knowledge they live in Plymouth school district. Also interestingly enough their 3 children will have attended 3 different high schools as i do believe they pulled their daughter out of willard to plymouth??
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 23, 2021 5:33:10 GMT -5
I had heard a Willard kid transferred to Norwalk, but wasn't sure if source was reliable. I'm thinking this kid is for Football as well? If so, if you combined both sports, then presumed logic is Norwalk>Willard. Yea, I can agree with this post. Nonetheless, its still a puzzling move. Family name is historically associated with Willard Athletics, family on the school board...leading the athletics committee. I'm hearing this past years Harlow Staff Award decision aided in the parent's decision making.....unreal if true. 12 Varsity letters and a starter all 4 years in each sport, standup kid in the community and good student (he earned that Harlow). Tell me that process isn't broken (popularity contest). Ben is probably one of the best athletes in 9-12 right now and losing him is a blow to multiple programs. Good family and hardest working kids around. Wishing them all the best.
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Post by jvchesster on Jun 23, 2021 5:48:12 GMT -5
Yes sir. Still lives in the district and open enrolled to Norwalk To my knowledge they live in Plymouth school district. Also interestingly enough their 3 children will have attended 3 different high schools as i do believe they pulled their daughter out of willard to plymouth?? Pretty sure it’s Willard school district.
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Post by crimson5 on Jun 23, 2021 7:24:44 GMT -5
Yea, I can agree with this post. Nonetheless, its still a puzzling move. Family name is historically associated with Willard Athletics, family on the school board...leading the athletics committee. I'm hearing this past years Harlow Staff Award decision aided in the parent's decision making.....unreal if true. 12 Varsity letters and a starter all 4 years in each sport, standup kid in the community and good student (he earned that Harlow). Tell me that process isn't broken (popularity contest). Ben is probably one of the best athletes in 9-12 right now and losing him is a blow to multiple programs. Good family and hardest working kids around. Wishing them all the best. Huh, popularity contest"? If that were the case, then AA wouldn't have received the award. He earned it as well. READ the criteria for the award! Nowhere does it say "number of varsity letters", nor "good student". Sometimes you amaze me with your uninformed opinions. I agree, the family is pretty darn good people. JR is as standup as they come. Losing BR is not ideal. We'll be successful without him. I wish him the best as well. Anyway you slice it....the decision for him to open enroll is puzzling. The process is not broken.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 23, 2021 8:10:43 GMT -5
12 Varsity letters and a starter all 4 years in each sport, standup kid in the community and good student (he earned that Harlow). Tell me that process isn't broken (popularity contest). Ben is probably one of the best athletes in 9-12 right now and losing him is a blow to multiple programs. Good family and hardest working kids around. Wishing them all the best. Huh, popularity contest"? If that were the case, then AA wouldn't have received the award. He earned it as well. READ the criteria for the award! Nowhere does it say "number of varsity letters", nor "good student". Sometimes you amaze me with your uninformed opinions. I agree, the family is pretty darn good people. JR is as standup as they come. Losing BR is not ideal. We'll be successful without him. I wish him the best as well. Anyway you slice it....the decision for him to open enroll is puzzling. The process is not broken. Sorry, I will step aside and let you explain how the process works since you are the informed one. So, explain how the voting works and why it is not a biased process so I can better understand it and be more informed going forward? JR is the first athlete to receive and start all 4 years in Willard history (first ever to anyone's knowledge).
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Post by crimson5 on Jun 23, 2021 8:23:58 GMT -5
Huh, popularity contest"? If that were the case, then AA wouldn't have received the award. He earned it as well. READ the criteria for the award! Nowhere does it say "number of varsity letters", nor "good student". Sometimes you amaze me with your uninformed opinions. I agree, the family is pretty darn good people. JR is as standup as they come. Losing BR is not ideal. We'll be successful without him. I wish him the best as well. Anyway you slice it....the decision for him to open enroll is puzzling. The process is not broken. Sorry, I will step aside and let you explain how the process works since you are the informed one. So, explain how the voting works and why it is not a biased process so I can better understand it and be more informed going forward? JR is the first athlete to receive and start all 4 years in Willard history (first ever to anyone's knowledge). Saying JR "earned that Harlow" implies that AA didn't. I dont know who voted and could care less. As a past Harlow Staff award winner, I know the criteria......as would you with a few strokes of the keyboard. Both kids are great, and have extremely bright futures. Regardless, the Norwalk open enrollment is puzzling.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 23, 2021 8:31:39 GMT -5
Sorry, I will step aside and let you explain how the process works since you are the informed one. So, explain how the voting works and why it is not a biased process so I can better understand it and be more informed going forward? JR is the first athlete to receive and start all 4 years in Willard history (first ever to anyone's knowledge). Saying JR "earned that Harlow" implies that AA didn't. I dont know who voted and could care less. As a past Harlow Staff award winner, I know the criteria......as would you with a few strokes of the keyboard. Both kids are great, and have extremely bright futures. Regardless, the Norwalk open enrollment is puzzling. Explain the criteria, please. If you know how it works, please explain it to me. Don't say I'm uninformed and then you're not able to explain the process. A few keystrokes...if that is the case copy and paste the criteria because you will be amazed at what it states. IMO, JR was more deserving and if it played a part in them leaving, their decision and good for them.
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Post by crimson5 on Jun 23, 2021 8:40:25 GMT -5
Saying JR "earned that Harlow" implies that AA didn't. I dont know who voted and could care less. As a past Harlow Staff award winner, I know the criteria......as would you with a few strokes of the keyboard. Both kids are great, and have extremely bright futures. Regardless, the Norwalk open enrollment is puzzling. Explain the criteria, please. If you know how it works, please explain it to me. Don't say I'm uninformed and then you're not able to explain the process. A few keystrokes...if that is the case copy and paste the criteria because you will be amazed at what it states. IMO, JR was more deserving and if it played a part in them leaving, their decision and good for them. VERNA WILLIAMS AND HARLOW STAPF AWARDS These awards were established by Harlow Stapf and Verna Williams with the idea of encouraging athletes to excel in athletics and in helping build better citizens, and to give recognition for outstanding achievement. The basis of selection is as follows: 1. The individual must be a senior. 2. The individual must have earned at least two (2) athletic letters in a varsity sport. 3. The individual must have a grade point average at the close of the 7th semester of at least a 2.5 on a 4.0 scale. 4. The individual must have exemplified the highest type of citizenship and sportsmanship. 5. The individual must possess a spirit of loyalty to his school and teammates. 6. The individual must be an outstanding athlete in a particular sport.
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Post by crimson5 on Jun 23, 2021 8:44:09 GMT -5
Explain the criteria, please. If you know how it works, please explain it to me. Don't say I'm uninformed and then you're not able to explain the process. A few keystrokes...if that is the case copy and paste the criteria because you will be amazed at what it states. IMO, JR was more deserving and if it played a part in them leaving, their decision and good for them. VERNA WILLIAMS AND HARLOW STAPF AWARDS These awards were established by Harlow Stapf and Verna Williams with the idea of encouraging athletes to excel in athletics and in helping build better citizens, and to give recognition for outstanding achievement. The basis of selection is as follows: 1. The individual must be a senior. 2. The individual must have earned at least two (2) athletic letters in a varsity sport. 3. The individual must have a grade point average at the close of the 7th semester of at least a 2.5 on a 4.0 scale. 4. The individual must have exemplified the highest type of citizenship and sportsmanship. 5. The individual must possess a spirit of loyalty to his school and teammates. 6. The individual must be an outstanding athlete in a particular sport. Line items #3 and #6 are the difference. BTW...I'm not amazed.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 23, 2021 8:48:56 GMT -5
Explain the criteria, please. If you know how it works, please explain it to me. Don't say I'm uninformed and then you're not able to explain the process. A few keystrokes...if that is the case copy and paste the criteria because you will be amazed at what it states. IMO, JR was more deserving and if it played a part in them leaving, their decision and good for them. VERNA WILLIAMS AND HARLOW STAPF AWARDS These awards were established by Harlow Stapf and Verna Williams with the idea of encouraging athletes to excel in athletics and in helping build better citizens, and to give recognition for outstanding achievement. The basis of selection is as follows: 1. The individual must be a senior. 2. The individual must have earned at least two (2) athletic letters in a varsity sport. 3. The individual must have a grade point average at the close of the 7th semester of at least a 2.5 on a 4.0 scale. 4. The individual must have exemplified the highest type of citizenship and sportsmanship. 5. The individual must possess a spirit of loyalty to his school and teammates. 6. The individual must be an outstanding athlete in a particular sport. So, no one at this meeting talks about whether or not kids in the running are good students or great athletes? How does the voting work? Do they just throw a bunch of names up on the board and they vote or do they pair it down to a select few and then just vote? Do all coaches get a bio on the kids or is it whomever is the loudest cheerleader gets the most votes? I'm really curious how this process works.
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Post by crimson5 on Jun 23, 2021 9:01:33 GMT -5
VERNA WILLIAMS AND HARLOW STAPF AWARDS These awards were established by Harlow Stapf and Verna Williams with the idea of encouraging athletes to excel in athletics and in helping build better citizens, and to give recognition for outstanding achievement. The basis of selection is as follows: 1. The individual must be a senior. 2. The individual must have earned at least two (2) athletic letters in a varsity sport. 3. The individual must have a grade point average at the close of the 7th semester of at least a 2.5 on a 4.0 scale. 4. The individual must have exemplified the highest type of citizenship and sportsmanship. 5. The individual must possess a spirit of loyalty to his school and teammates. 6. The individual must be an outstanding athlete in a particular sport. So, no one at this meeting talks about whether or not kids in the running are good students or great athletes? How does the voting work? Do they just throw a bunch of names up on the board and they vote or do they pair it down to a select few and then just vote? Do all coaches get a bio on the kids or is it whomever is the loudest cheerleader gets the most votes? I'm really curious how this process works. No, that's not what your curious about. You've always been as easy to read as "See Spot Run". (I'm not gonna Google that for you.)
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 23, 2021 9:09:06 GMT -5
So, no one at this meeting talks about whether or not kids in the running are good students or great athletes? How does the voting work? Do they just throw a bunch of names up on the board and they vote or do they pair it down to a select few and then just vote? Do all coaches get a bio on the kids or is it whomever is the loudest cheerleader gets the most votes? I'm really curious how this process works. No, that's not what your curious about. You've always been as easy to read as "See Spot Run". (I'm not gonna Google that for you.) Thanks for the tutorial, I'm much more informed after this conversation. I learned that a good student is actually part of the criteria and being a starter for 4 years in 3 different sports constitutes a standout athlete (yes, 12 varsity letters is special/amazing but unfortunately it is just something that happens every year and there really isn't any need to recognize this milestone that may never be broken). Anyhow, good luck to BR in Norwalk.
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Post by DrugMart on Jun 23, 2021 9:26:08 GMT -5
Should I say something? I'll just say, he he he he he he ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho. Soccer, Soccer, Soccer. If you want the pain to stop, scrap the football program now and get fully behind soccer.
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Post by maplecityjake on Jun 23, 2021 9:44:52 GMT -5
Should I say something? I'll just say, he he he he he he ha ha ha ha ha ho ho ho ho. Soccer, Soccer, Soccer. If you want the pain to stop, scrap the football program now and get fully behind soccer. I shouldn't encourage, but this does provide comic relief.
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Post by jvchesster on Jun 23, 2021 9:49:46 GMT -5
To me, varsity letters aren’t everything. How many times was the kid all state? All district? What about team success and being a good teammate? Regardless of how the decision was made, ( I’m sure it’s not full proof) AA deserved it. Had jr won I would’ve felt he deserved it too. Because at the end of the day it is based on opinions of “coaches” and to my knowledge only one alumni member. JR had a nice resume and was deserving as well. It is what it is.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 23, 2021 10:16:45 GMT -5
To me, varsity letters aren’t everything. How many times was the kid all state? All district? What about team success and being a good teammate? Regardless of how the decision was made, ( I’m sure it’s not full proof) AA deserved it. Had jr won I would’ve felt he deserved it too. Because at the end of the day it is based on opinions of “coaches” and to my knowledge only one alumni member. JR had a nice resume and was deserving as well. It is what it is. It should not be based on opinions and the agility to sway votes, that is my entire point. Some of these coaches, by no fault of their own don't even know the kids they are voting for. A coach told me a couple of years ago he sat in the room and the voting happened before his star track athlete even competed and he voiced his objections to voting before that season was complete. He didn't get it and was frankly the best in the bunch. A smart person once told me the most unbiased way to handle something like this is using a number system and a set of categories and you get a certain number in each category and add them all up and the one with the highest number gets the trophy. I like that because it is a true apples to apples way of doing it. I guess you're right though, it is what it is and apparently it isn't broken. Good luck to BR in Norwalk.
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Post by ronburgandy on Jun 23, 2021 10:50:15 GMT -5
This whole 12 varsity letters is such a dumb argument. Not too long ago it took a special athlete to be able to amass 12 varsity letters. Now due to the number of kids actually going out for sports and participating, kids that aren’t truly ready for varsity action are being forced into playing and in some cases starting on varsity. Then people that don’t know the situation see 12 varsity letters and think oh wow he must be one special athlete. For the love of God stop acting like these 12 letters are the most amazing thing to ever happen.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 23, 2021 11:37:30 GMT -5
This whole 12 varsity letters is such a dumb argument. Not too long ago it took a special athlete to be able to amass 12 varsity letters. Now due to the number of kids actually going out for sports and participating, kids that aren’t truly ready for varsity action are being forced into playing and in some cases starting on varsity. Then people that don’t know the situation see 12 varsity letters and think oh wow he must be one special athlete. For the love of God stop acting like these 12 letters are the most amazing thing to ever happen. Not the case in this situation. He is a special athlete and major contributor in all, starting as a freshman. No one else comes to mind that you speak of, but I could be wrong.
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Post by Debbie Downer on Jun 23, 2021 12:10:24 GMT -5
I hate to be a Debbie Downer but I never heard of the kid. How many 1st team All-Ohio honors did this "special athlete" attain in his 12 varsity letters? I'm assuming this kid is your child or grandchild so I'm sure you could fill me in on the All-Ohio awards.
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Post by ronburgandy on Jun 23, 2021 12:19:45 GMT -5
This whole 12 varsity letters is such a dumb argument. Not too long ago it took a special athlete to be able to amass 12 varsity letters. Now due to the number of kids actually going out for sports and participating, kids that aren’t truly ready for varsity action are being forced into playing and in some cases starting on varsity. Then people that don’t know the situation see 12 varsity letters and think oh wow he must be one special athlete. For the love of God stop acting like these 12 letters are the most amazing thing to ever happen. Not the case in this situation. He is a special athlete and major contributor in all, starting as a freshman. No one else comes to mind that you speak of, but I could be wrong. I don’t want to get in to a bashing of him but what you just said is not the case either. He was definitely forced into playing varsity football because of low numbers, just as a lot of others have too in recent years. I hate to do this but I’m going to any way. If he was in high school when I was, he wouldn’t have sniffed varsity until his junior year most likely. Let’s keep things in perspective here.
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Post by dude on Jun 23, 2021 12:40:27 GMT -5
I hate to be a Debbie Downer but I never heard of the kid. How many 1st team All-Ohio honors did this "special athlete" attain in his 12 varsity letters? I'm assuming this kid is your child or grandchild so I'm sure you could fill me in on the All-Ohio awards. Do not forget that there were probably varsity letters passed out to a football team that went 0-11. So in some cases a varsity letter can mean very little. and that goes for every school not just the one in the topic.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jun 23, 2021 15:11:09 GMT -5
I aspired to win the H S Award. I got 6 VL in my time when the enrollment was much larger. But the fact is I wasn't good enough or had a GPA that was worthy enough----But the good news is,,,It never cost me anything down the road by not winning it. I achieved other goals that were more important in life as I look back. HS individual sports awards are really a temporary thing. People need to take the long view on stuff with your kids and your own career.--you'll be happier.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jun 24, 2021 5:40:20 GMT -5
Hearing some really good Flashes news from multiple sources about a young man coming back to WHS--different sport, wrong forum but exciting none the less.
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 24, 2021 6:09:40 GMT -5
Hearing some really good Flashes news from multiple sources about a young man coming back to WHS--different sport, wrong forum but exciting none the less. 4 schools in 5 years, hmmm.
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Post by buckeyekid on Jun 24, 2021 6:13:21 GMT -5
No Just 2
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Post by truecrimson on Jun 24, 2021 6:45:06 GMT -5
We must be thinking of two different kids then.
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Post by clb6110 on Jun 24, 2021 7:19:53 GMT -5
Didn't 2 girls earn 12 varsity letters this year in Willard? Stephens and Sowers. Did Sowers get jipped too?
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Post by jvchesster on Jun 24, 2021 9:14:17 GMT -5
Hearing some really good Flashes news from multiple sources about a young man coming back to WHS--different sport, wrong forum but exciting none the less. 4 schools in 5 years, hmmm. For a guy that calls people by name for saying something similar you have a lot of nerve. Why not wish him the best like you have with br? Instead you say something like that? Don’t be so biased. If it’s ok for one certainly it should be ok for another.
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