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Post by sportsjock on Jul 22, 2021 7:51:06 GMT -5
Looks like we are about to witness another round of conference jumping, that could have major repercussions on the CFB landscape. Every year we hear the rumors that Oklahoma and Texas might leave the Big 12, but this time it looks more likely to happen, with both schools opting out of the TV contract extensions.
The SEC, B1G and Pac 12 may be recipients, if Texas & Oklahoma take the leap. Question would be, will the remaining Big 12 schools decide to stick and opt for replacements, such as BYU & Boise State.
It's been rumored that Missouri has not been overwhelmed with the SEC experience and the B1G may be in their future.
There will be a lot to talk about this coming year, as things heat up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2021 9:10:07 GMT -5
Big 10 first two calls should be to Iowa St and Missouri(they aren’t happy with the sec). Notre Dame isn’t joining and they have had enough chances.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 22, 2021 9:22:28 GMT -5
Big 10 first two calls should be to Iowa St and Missouri(they aren’t happy with the sec). Notre Dame isn’t joining and they have had enough chances. Never quite understood ND by-passing the B1G and joining up with the ACC. Geographically makes no sense, but they must have a bone to pick with the B1G, is my guess. The B1G blew an opportunity to bring Missouri and I think they were more favorable towards the B1G, but that was when the B1G was locked into other thoughts like Rutgers & Maryland. I think Iowa State & Mizzou would be a good fit. Oklahoma State would be a solid addition. Kansas & K-state have been rumored towards the B1G.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 22, 2021 11:41:12 GMT -5
The SEC will go after USC and UCLA next. Kind of stupid to call themselves the South Eastern Conference if they stretch from "shore to shore".
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Post by GHS 1999 on Jul 22, 2021 11:48:40 GMT -5
I always thought the B1G logo looked a lot like 16 and that has seemed to be the magic number.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2021 13:26:11 GMT -5
Big 10 first two calls should be to Iowa St and Missouri(they aren’t happy with the sec). Notre Dame isn’t joining and they have had enough chances. would make more sense to go after the ACC schools
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2021 14:29:46 GMT -5
would take a hard look at Kansas and Mizzou too, which could potentially re-ignite what was once a GREAT college rivalry
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2021 14:30:25 GMT -5
also, i musts add i have NO faith in Warren being monumental enough to make either of these things happen
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2021 18:27:57 GMT -5
would take a hard look at Kansas and Mizzou too, which could potentially re-ignite what was once a GREAT college rivalry Kansas and Kansas St would probably be combo deal
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 23, 2021 19:18:08 GMT -5
4uck KState
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 6:21:20 GMT -5
Just read on Espn that Notre Dame signed an agreement with the ACC that runs through 2035 that if they desire to join a conference it has to be the ACC
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 24, 2021 11:32:06 GMT -5
Just read on Espn that Notre Dame signed an agreement with the ACC that runs through 2035 that if they desire to join a conference it has to be the ACC One could take that as a cold slap in the face, to the Big Ten. For those that always held hope they would join the Big Ten west division, it takes all the guessing out of the equation and move on to Missourin, Iowa State etc. Rather funny though, all their sports teams must travel through at least four B1G states, to get to ACC states....lol
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 24, 2021 12:05:58 GMT -5
bro ND will never join the B10, they would go 8-4 or 7-5
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Harbaugh would even get up in those guts. ND is garbage.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 24, 2021 13:07:28 GMT -5
bro ND will never join the B10, they would go 8-4 or 7-5 EVERY FREAKING YEAR Harbaugh would even get up in those guts. ND is garbage. Certainly, the Irish hasn't met expectations for quite some time. However, they have some nice recruiting classes coming in, so expect them to be in the playoff conversation most every year, for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2021 13:22:45 GMT -5
Just read on Espn that Notre Dame signed an agreement with the ACC that runs through 2035 that if they desire to join a conference it has to be the ACC One could take that as a cold slap in the face, to the Big Ten. For those that always held hope they would join the Big Ten west division, it takes all the guessing out of the equation and move on to Missourin, Iowa State etc. Rather funny though, all their sports teams must travel through at least four B1G states, to get to ACC states....lol Actually Louisville is in Kentucky, but I understand your point
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 24, 2021 13:25:37 GMT -5
bro ND will never join the B10, they would go 8-4 or 7-5 EVERY FREAKING YEAR Harbaugh would even get up in those guts. ND is garbage. Certainly, the Irish hasn't met expectations for quite some time. However, they have some nice recruiting classes coming in, so expect them to be in the playoff conversation most every year, for the foreseeable future. yeah, because they play an ACC schedule, same reason Clem-step-son is in the mix every year
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Post by baldref on Jul 26, 2021 9:38:51 GMT -5
bro ND will never join the B10, they would go 8-4 or 7-5 EVERY FREAKING YEAR Harbaugh would even get up in those guts. ND is garbage. Amen. ND is consistently the most over-rated team in all of college FB. But with their mega exclusive $$$$$ national tv deal and natural national constituency, they will always be considered a contender no matter what their record.
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Post by Birdman on Jul 27, 2021 7:01:21 GMT -5
IMO, I’m all for conference expansion. I would love to see the likes of Iowa State, Missouri, ND, Cincinnati, WV, and Louisville join the BIG10.
I don’t however like the idea of west coast schools moving to the SEC or for that matter western schools in general moving to predominantly eastern coast conference because it gives you a better shot.
I hope this expansion shows schools can stay where they’re at and make the playoffs.
To me it’s more about recruiting than switching conferences. Top tier talent gets you top tier results the vast majority of the time.
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 27, 2021 7:43:17 GMT -5
I'm rather glad to see the Big Ten Conference officially state they have little, to no interest in expanding at this time. Essentially, they are saying; we are not letting the actions of other schools & conferences, dictate our direction and policy decisions. This announcement from the Big Ten, pretty much quells a massive, domino effect, or falling of the cards and a frenzy of conference jumpings. This is also, very good news for the Big 12 Conference, knowing the B1G won't be destroying the remaining membership base. The final good news for them, would be a similar statement from Pac 12 officials. If this establishes stability within the Big 12, then perhaps they will be able to establish a better identity of a more unified conference than they have seen in many, many years. Texas and to a lesser extent, Oklahoma have pushed their weight around for all to long, in a rather bully, totalitarian fashion. I doubt if Texas will be able to write their own sweetheart deals with the SEC, as they have in the past with the B1G 12....we'll see.
This latest, in a long line of greedy expansionism and power grab by the SEC, may look impressive at the moment, but I can foresee the possibility of a conference that is much too large and much to imposing, becoming it's own worst enemy at some point in the future. The creation of this mega-conference and massive athletic bureaucracy could very well, lead to an eventual demise. Primary in this reasoning is, the loss of regional identity, that expansion, just for the sake of expansion, with little consideration given to geographics. I can easily see a group of teams wishing to return to old school thinking, breaking away and forming their own conference.
Things always have a tendency to come full circle.
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Post by jafo on Jul 27, 2021 9:02:50 GMT -5
I'm rather glad to see the Big Ten Conference officially state they have little, to no interest in expanding at this time. Essentially, they are saying; we are not letting the actions of other schools & conferences, dictate our direction and policy decisions. This announcement from the Big Ten, pretty much quells a massive, domino effect, or falling of the cards and a frenzy of conference jumpings. This is also, very good news for the Big 12 Conference, knowing the B1G won't be destroying the remaining membership base. The final good news for them, would be a similar statement from Pac 12 officials. If this establishes stability within the Big 12, then perhaps they will be able to establish a better identity of a more unified conference than they have seen in many, many years. Texas and to a lesser extent, Oklahoma have pushed their weight around for all to long, in a rather bully, totalitarian fashion. I doubt if Texas will be able to write their own sweetheart deals with the SEC, as they have in the past with the B1G 12....we'll see. This latest, in a long line of greedy expansionism and power grab by the SEC, may look impressive at the moment, but I can foresee the possibility of a conference that is much too large and much to imposing, becoming it's own worst enemy at some point in the future. The creation of this mega-conference and massive athletic bureaucracy could very well, lead to an eventual demise. Primary in this reasoning is, the loss of regional identity, that expansion, just for the sake of expansion, with little consideration given to geographics. I can easily see a group of teams wishing to return to old school thinking, breaking away and forming their own conference. Things always have a tendency to come full circle. Where was this announcement? Can't find it anywhere.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 27, 2021 10:10:27 GMT -5
IMO, I’m all for conference expansion. I would love to see the likes of Iowa State, Missouri, ND, Cincinnati, WV, and Louisville join the BIG10. I don’t however like the idea of west coast schools moving to the SEC or for that matter western schools in general moving to predominantly eastern coast conference because it gives you a better shot. I hope this expansion shows schools can stay where they’re at and make the playoffs. To me it’s more about recruiting than switching conferences. Top tier talent gets you top tier results the vast majority of the time. Why not pluck TA&M and KY from the SEC? A&M is not happy, they went to the SEC to get away from Texas and Oklahoma. Kentucky would have a better chance at being #2 in a Division, one upset away from a Big Ten Title game. Also, it would help them recruit the mid-west. Easier to do than recruit in Alabama, Georgia and LSU territory, Cincy would prefer the ACC over the Big Ten, who they're talking with. The only way a Conference can convince ND to be a full time member is to allow them to keep their own TV contract money. WV and Louisville would never meet Big Ten standards
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 27, 2021 12:05:39 GMT -5
IMO, I’m all for conference expansion. I would love to see the likes of Iowa State, Missouri, ND, Cincinnati, WV, and Louisville join the BIG10. I don’t however like the idea of west coast schools moving to the SEC or for that matter western schools in general moving to predominantly eastern coast conference because it gives you a better shot. I hope this expansion shows schools can stay where they’re at and make the playoffs. To me it’s more about recruiting than switching conferences. Top tier talent gets you top tier results the vast majority of the time. Why not pluck TA&M and KY from the SEC? A&M is not happy, they went to the SEC to get away from Texas and Oklahoma. Kentucky would have a better chance at being #2 in a Division, one upset away from a Big Ten Title game. Also, it would help them recruit the mid-west. Easier to do than recruit in Alabama, Georgia and LSU territory, Cincy would prefer the ACC over the Big Ten, who they're talking with. The only way a Conference can convince ND to be a full time member is to allow them to keep their own TV contract money. WV and Louisville would never meet Big Ten standards Texas A&M is very upset with the antics of Texas & Oklahoma, contending they violated Big 12 by laws. A&M board of regents went into a 90 minute executive session, after the Tex/Okl announcements. I wouldn't be the least surprised to see A&M leave the SEC and join the Big 12 and I would put Kentucky, Arkansas, Missouri and Tenn. on the suspect list. Bottom line, think the SEC is going to work things in a public or private manner, to see two schools leave in an agreeable fashion so the total number of participating schools remains the same. This didn't just happen in the past couple weeks, the Tex/Ok deal has, most probably been a year or years in the making. The SEC probably sees a couple schools as expendable, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2021 13:09:34 GMT -5
IMO, I’m all for conference expansion. I would love to see the likes of Iowa State, Missouri, ND, Cincinnati, WV, and Louisville join the BIG10. I don’t however like the idea of west coast schools moving to the SEC or for that matter western schools in general moving to predominantly eastern coast conference because it gives you a better shot. I hope this expansion shows schools can stay where they’re at and make the playoffs. To me it’s more about recruiting than switching conferences. Top tier talent gets you top tier results the vast majority of the time. Why not pluck TA&M and KY from the SEC? A&M is not happy, they went to the SEC to get away from Texas and Oklahoma. Kentucky would have a better chance at being #2 in a Division, one upset away from a Big Ten Title game. Also, it would help them recruit the mid-west. Easier to do than recruit in Alabama, Georgia and LSU territory, Cincy would prefer the ACC over the Big Ten, who they're talking with. The only way a Conference can convince ND to be a full time member is to allow them to keep their own TV contract money. WV and Louisville would never meet Big Ten standards Kentucky isn’t in the AAU. Texas A&M and Kansas would be a nice combo
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 27, 2021 13:19:50 GMT -5
I think the Big 12 will be seeing the unity they have been seeking all along, with the two bullies on the block, moving on to a different neighborhood. Consequently, expect schools to sit pat and welcome a couple schools to complete their needs. BYU might be in the picture for them as well.
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Post by DrTorch on Jul 27, 2021 16:45:40 GMT -5
will be interesting to see how stringent the AAU "rule" will be enforced moving forward, imho you have to look at waiving this rule especially given NEB is not a member atm
Iowa State, Kansas, Mizzou (if the leave the SEC), hell Louisville would be a great member if it came to it travel wise and also would be a great natural rival for IU.
My faith in Kevin Warren to make any of these decisions correctly or navigate the new landscape with an accurate vision of where the B10 needs to be in 5 years is about as low as it can be.
I am diametrically opposed to adding any West Coast schools although I will admit you could prob come up with a scenario where this worked travel/schedule wise.
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Post by baldref on Jul 29, 2021 10:34:58 GMT -5
Is there anyone out there at all surprised that eSECpn is reportedly behind the OU and Texas move to the SEC? eSECpn owns the SEC network and has consistently pushed the sec as the greatest sports conference in the world. Supposedly this will end up in court but eSECpn rules the sports world, so a few million $$$$ in fines means nothing to them. The start of mega-super conferences, IMO, with eSECpn ruling the roost. Where's the Sherman Anti-Trust Folks when we need them LOL...... Also oppposed to adding West Coast teams to the B1G as well. Think the B1G is going to have to come off their high horse and accept some of the non high academic schools into the fold eventually or they will be left out in the cold
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Post by sportsjock on Jul 29, 2021 18:52:01 GMT -5
Ohio State coach Ryan Day said Friday that there should be consideration to sharing NIL money among players who won't get the same opportunities as high-profile players.
I really like Ryan Day's slant on this! Allowing a few select and privileged players to drive around in their shiny, new C-8 Corvettes and gold chain necklaces, can and will, create a lot of resentment and hard feelings with classmates that work just as hard in practices and sweat the same blood. This can't be an Ohio State decree, a Big Ten decree, but it has to be a universal rule, coming from the NCAA.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Jul 29, 2021 20:33:05 GMT -5
Income redistribution.
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Post by Birdman on Jul 30, 2021 22:38:51 GMT -5
I still like West Virginia and Iowa State.
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Post by sportsjock on Aug 4, 2021 14:17:05 GMT -5
Chris Childers & Rick Neuheisel program on ESPNU this morning was discussing the current state of events in the college football world, said that Kansas to the Big Ten is a 'done deal'. If the B1G expands, it will probably be at least two, in my estimation.......stay tuned.
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