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Post by jro on Sept 25, 2016 11:17:27 GMT -5
Marion Harding looks for real can they run the table?
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 25, 2016 14:22:18 GMT -5
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Post by jro on Sept 25, 2016 18:00:40 GMT -5
who's going to give them a close game besides Alder? |
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Post by jro on Sept 25, 2016 18:02:00 GMT -5
Beside Alder who gives Harding a close game
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Post by hardingmavman on Sept 25, 2016 20:07:08 GMT -5
North Union is deceiving they were very undisciplined and feel apart they had back to back unsportsman like conduct penaltys at one point... they were back to full strength for the first time this season and it showed. well just see how good we are when Alder comes to town i honestly think were the only team in the MOAC that can match up with Alders athletes hoping for a dandy when they come to Harding.....
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Post by galion on Sept 26, 2016 0:21:33 GMT -5
Beside Alder who gives Harding a close game I think you're asking the wrong question. It should be besides Harding who gives Alder a close game? I'm just saying let's pump the brakes here for a second before we declare that Harding "is back" or "coming back". For goodness sake you lost to a 1-4 Mount Vernon team at you're place. 2 victories against North Union and Fairbanks don't diminish that. You started the season 0-3 against like sized schools, none of whom are in any great danger of making long playoff runs. Seriously, if a school your size ever loses to a school in this conference outside of Alder you should literally be accepting your coach's resignation after the game. For those of you who actually graduated from Harding the word "resignation" means to quit. |
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Post by hardingmavman on Sept 26, 2016 2:39:17 GMT -5
Beside Alder who gives Harding a close game I think you're asking the wrong question. It should be besides Harding who gives Alder a close game? I'm just saying let's pump the brakes here for a second before we declare that Harding "is back" or "coming back". For goodness sake you lost to a 1-4 Mount Vernon team at you're place. 2 victories against North Union and Fairbanks don't diminish that. You started the season 0-3 against like sized schools, none of whom are in any great danger of making long playoff runs. Seriously, if a school your size ever loses to a school in this conference outside of Alder you should literally be accepting your coach's resignation after the game. For those of you who actually graduated from Harding the word "resignation" means to quit. As one of the few Harding fans on here i have to agree with Galion... i mean yes we did play good dont get me wrong but like he said that Mt. Vernon loss looks REALLY bad now with the bone headed play call by the coaches that game... and Lima wasnt bad they played really well against a team that outsized them.... Newark we killed ourselves by fumbling on the 7 yard line and pretty much giving the game away in the last 5 mins... if we play mistake free football we have talent but Harding seems yet to know how to finish a game late in the 4th in a close game.... well just see how close we are to being "back" when we play Alder but i have to say with everything they are doing to the stadium to upgrade it and with the youth program Harding is slowing coming back to its ways. And agreed with the statement until someone takes down Alder the question IS who gives Alder a close game.... |
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Post by jro on Sept 26, 2016 6:40:27 GMT -5
I think you're asking the wrong question.  It should be besides Harding who gives Alder a close game?  I'm just saying let's pump the brakes here for a second before we declare that Harding "is back" or "coming back".  For goodness sake you lost to a 1-4 Mount Vernon team at you're place.  2 victories against North Union and Fairbanks don't diminish that.  You started the season 0-3 against like sized schools, none of whom are in any great danger of making long playoff runs.  Seriously, if a school your size ever loses to a school in this conference outside of Alder you should literally be accepting your coach's resignation after the game.  For those of you who actually graduated from Harding the word "resignation" means to quit. As one of the few Harding fans on here i have to agree with Galion... i mean yes we did play good dont get me wrong but like he said that Mt. Vernon loss looks REALLY bad now with the bone headed play call by the coaches that game... and Lima wasnt bad they played really well against a team that outsized them.... Newark we killed ourselves by fumbling on the 7 yard line and pretty much giving the game away in the last 5 mins... if we play mistake free football we have talent but Harding seems yet to know how to finish a game late in the 4th in a close game.... well just see how close we are to being "back" when we play Alder but i have to say with everything they are doing to the stadium to upgrade it and with the youth program Harding is slowing coming back to its ways. And agreed with the statement until someone takes down Alder the question IS who gives Alder a close game.... funny cuz Harding is just a few players away from being division 3 so do you say the same when pleasant or rv beats buckeye valley they r a D3 school n I'm sure pleasant has done it's share of beating bigger schools it's high school football and our numbers are super low we scrimmaged kenton this year and they had more players than us and I was saying for the first 4 weeks of the season we were without the best runningback on moac Titus Douglas TJ Jefferson the best wide out was out almost 2 weeks so yea we were not complete but as always ppl down Harding because of "school" size that has nothing to do withw team size watch ch18 n tell me this isn't n exciting team to eatch |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 8:51:26 GMT -5
Schools size does have an influence on the potential of a team's size and that is what "ppl" look at and compare. If Harding starts to win consistently in the big sports, my guess is the smaller school supporters will become louder on the topic.
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Post by galion on Sept 26, 2016 8:57:58 GMT -5
It's no secret that the rest of the MOAC would have preferred Upper Sandusky to stay, but that didn't happen so here we are. Geographically, Harding is a great fit. Numerically, probably not so much but they were the only viable option at the time. I will tell you that playing guys with ankle bracelets against smaller rural schools will not exactly endear you to them as you have seen on another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 9:29:18 GMT -5
I would have thought that whatever action warranted the ankle bracelet would have been a violation of the school's code of conduct and eliminated any participation in sports.
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 26, 2016 14:05:28 GMT -5
...Geographically, Harding is a great fit. Numerically, probably not so much but they were the only viable option at the time. ... The MOAC was the only viable option for Harding, not that Harding was the only viable option for the MOAC.. |
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Post by hardingmavman on Sept 26, 2016 14:35:05 GMT -5
As one of the few Harding fans on here i have to agree with Galion... i mean yes we did play good dont get me wrong but like he said that Mt. Vernon loss looks REALLY bad now with the bone headed play call by the coaches that game... and Lima wasnt bad they played really well against a team that outsized them.... Newark we killed ourselves by fumbling on the 7 yard line and pretty much giving the game away in the last 5 mins... if we play mistake free football we have talent but Harding seems yet to know how to finish a game late in the 4th in a close game.... well just see how close we are to being "back" when we play Alder but i have to say with everything they are doing to the stadium to upgrade it and with the youth program Harding is slowing coming back to its ways. And agreed with the statement until someone takes down Alder the question IS who gives Alder a close game.... funny cuz Harding is just a few players away from being division 3 so do you say the same when pleasant or rv beats buckeye valley they r a D3 school n I'm sure pleasant has done it's share of beating bigger schools it's high school football and our numbers are super low we scrimmaged kenton this year and they had more players than us and I was saying for the first 4 weeks of the season we were without the best runningback on moac Titus Douglas TJ Jefferson the best wide out was out almost 2 weeks so yea we were not complete but as always ppl down Harding because of "school" size that has nothing to do withw team size watch ch18 n tell me this isn't n exciting team to eatch i can agree with that last week they really showed their muscle being back full strength... they have speed and actual experience at wr the only thing that will beat Harding is itself two of the three losses were because of self inflicted mistakes and the Lima game they just couldnt muster the offense to finish... they could EASILY be undefeated if some things feel right but its behind everything now.... they just need to focus one game at a time.... as for the "numbers" it drives me nuts honestly how some of the other school cry just because they see a number it means nothing if boys dont come out to play.... |
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Post by galion on Sept 26, 2016 16:13:59 GMT -5
As far as numbers go, if the kids don't come out to play that's on you. Let's not pretend that a D2 school does not have a significant advantage over a D5 school in terms of available talent regardless of whether they choose to take full advantage of it or not.
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Post by galion on Sept 26, 2016 16:17:47 GMT -5
...Geographically, Harding is a great fit. Numerically, probably not so much but they were the only viable option at the time. ... The MOAC was the only viable option for Harding, not that Harding was the only viable option for the MOAC.. Trust me if the MOAC really wanted Harding they would have invited them initially instead of Galion or Upper. Whether or not Harding had anyplace else to go was not the MOAC's concern. Getting an 8th team for the red division was. If Ontario, Shelby, or CF was available at the time Harding wouldn't be here right now. |
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Post by jro on Sept 26, 2016 18:53:35 GMT -5
The MOAC was the only viable option for Harding, not that Harding was the only viable option for the MOAC.. Trust me if the MOAC really wanted Harding they would have invited them initially instead of Galion or Upper. Â Whether or not Harding had anyplace else to go was not the MOAC's concern. Â Getting an 8th team for the red division was. Â If Ontario, Shelby, or CF was available at the time Harding wouldn't be here right now. Its just funny because nobody says anything about school size really until they start losing n what about Buckeye Valley being D3 don't hearvany hitching about them |
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Post by galion on Sept 26, 2016 19:27:54 GMT -5
I completely agree. Harding was invited to join. The MOAC went into this with their eyes wide open. What's the point of complaining about it now? However, it's just as perplexing listening to Harding fans come on here and act like they've become a legit D2 team by beating a D5 and a D6 school. Particularly given their out of conference performance.
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Post by jro on Sept 26, 2016 20:32:04 GMT -5
And what happened to competition shouldn't players want to play against better competition to get better why all the hitching about school size when Harding was getting their ***** kicked by powerhouse schools because we had no confrence we didn't complain yes we went from D1 to smaller D2 and had as low as 28 kids playing no we try to build the team up not complain "oh these schools are so big" come on n the long run Harding being bigger is better for moac competition
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 21:29:56 GMT -5
Sounds about right if you are scheduling a game or two, but smaller school will not see it that way with a conference team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2016 21:34:10 GMT -5
Marion Harding looks for real can they run the table? I suppose if Marion Harding was "for real" they would not be sitting 14 in their region. |
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Post by galion on Sept 27, 2016 0:20:27 GMT -5
And what happened to competition shouldn't players want to play against better competition to get better why all the hitching about school size when Harding was getting their ***** kicked by powerhouse schools because we had no confrence we didn't complain yes we went from D1 to smaller D2 and had as low as 28 kids playing no we try to build the team up not complain "oh these schools are so big" come on n the long run Harding being bigger is better for moac competition I'm going to say this one more time please try to understand it. A school the size of Harding has more talent available to it than the smaller schools in this conference. Whether or not Harding chooses to take advantage of that talent is completely on them. I don't care if you have 28 players out or 82. You have the talent walking in your hallways. Look the MOAC invited them and they accepted and I'm cool with that. For the fans or smaller schools to start complaining now that Harding has shown some glimpses of mediocrity is uncalled for and quite frankly poorly thought out. Their AD's were the ones who voted to let them in. Harding didn't just show up like an uninvited house guest. |
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Post by hardingmavman on Sept 27, 2016 3:43:01 GMT -5
And what happened to competition shouldn't players want to play against better competition to get better why all the hitching about school size when Harding was getting their ***** kicked by powerhouse schools because we had no confrence we didn't complain yes we went from D1 to smaller D2 and had as low as 28 kids playing no we try to build the team up not complain "oh these schools are so big" come on n the long run Harding being bigger is better for moac competition I'm going to say this one more time please try to understand it. A school the size of Harding has more talent available to it than the smaller schools in this conference. Whether or not Harding chooses to take advantage of that talent is completely on them. I don't care if you have 28 players out or 82. You have the talent walking in your hallways. Look the MOAC invited them and they accepted and I'm cool with that. For the fans or smaller schools to start complaining now that Harding has shown some glimpses of mediocrity is uncalled for and quite frankly poorly thought out. Their AD's were the ones who voted to let them in. Harding didn't just show up like an uninvited house guest. I totally agree with you with everything you said but this is one of the few reasons i didnt like Harding joining the MOAC even though they will be D3 soon.... its a no win situation for Harding atm for the fact that people only see Harding of the past if they win "they are suppose to" if they lose everyone is pointing a finger going why did you lose to a d4 or d5 team? i just like how everyone is in close area i think it could be a great league |
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 27, 2016 4:54:24 GMT -5
I think that about the best Harding can do in their region is 11th, maybe 10th. Having lost their OOC games they are now in that area where 2nd level points are a wash. They should lose two more games.
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Post by galion on Sept 27, 2016 6:11:44 GMT -5
Problem for Harding is that even if they run the table in the conference there are just not enough points here for them to make the playoffs without at least one or two significant victories in their out of conference schedule. This will be even more true next season with the loss of JA.
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Post by babymaker on Sept 27, 2016 7:29:18 GMT -5
Sorry but the Harding fans do not care about the playoffs only winning the conference. From where they started from its a big step forward.
Sorry but you are a D2 until it actually happens that you are a D3 team you will have a hard time winning a conversation on school size. Also what was the school sized of RV and BV when they joined the league? I would guess they were smaller and grew and that pill is much easier to swallow.
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Post by usa70pp on Sept 27, 2016 12:20:54 GMT -5
2006
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Ridgedale D6
Pleasant, Northmor, Cardington and Mt. Gilead D5
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Buckeye Valley D3
North Union, Elgin, Highland and River Valley D4
Two years before, 2004, Mt. Gilead had been a D4
2016
Northmor, Cardington and Elgin D6
Pleasant, Mt. Gilead and North Union D5
Highland and River Valley D4
Buckeye Valley D3
Ridgedale, no longer in MOAC, D7
For what it's worth.
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Post by babymaker on Sept 27, 2016 14:00:40 GMT -5
2006 Blue Ridgedale D6 Pleasant, Northmor, Cardington and Mt. Gilead D5 Red Buckeye Valley D3 North Union, Elgin, Highland and River Valley D4 Two years before, 2004, Mt. Gilead had been a D4 2016 Northmor, Cardington and Elgin D6 Pleasant, Mt. Gilead and North Union D5 Highland and River Valley D4 Buckeye Valley D3 Ridgedale, no longer in MOAC, D7 For what it's worth. Thank you I stand corrected. |
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Sept 27, 2016 16:36:36 GMT -5
Since were making lists of data concerning school size.
Current 2015-2017 boy enrollment numbers, for the NEW MOAC. New numbers come out for next school year.
DII Harding......379, 19 above DIII
DIII B.Valley....308, middle of DIII
DIV R.Valley.....236, 20 under DIII
DIV Ontario......222, middle of DIV
DV Clear Fork..181, 5 under DIV
DV Galion........163, middle of DV
DV N.Union......160, middle of DV
DV Pleasant.....153, 10 above DVI
Some perspective on enrollment changes
Harding......2015-2017 379, 13-15 503, 11-13 479
B.Valley......2015-2017 308, 13-15 294, 11-13 303
R.Valley......2015-2017 236, 13-15 252, 11-13 259
Ontario......2015-2017 222, 13-15 216, 11-13 201
Clear Fork..2015-2017 181, 13-15 237, 11-13 224
Galion.......2015-2017 163, 13-15 224, 11-13 215
N.Union.....2015-2017 160, 13-15 192, 11-13 194
Pleasant....2015-2017 153, 13-15 172, 11-13 166
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Post by babymaker on Sept 27, 2016 21:02:33 GMT -5
I have heard that the 7th and 8th grade classes are very large so that # could be on the way back up...
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Post by jro on Sept 27, 2016 22:28:33 GMT -5
2006 Blue Ridgedale D6 Pleasant, Northmor, Cardington and Mt. Gilead D5 Red Buckeye Valley D3 North Union, Elgin, Highland and River Valley D4 Two years before, 2004, Mt. Gilead had been a D4 2016 Northmor, Cardington and Elgin D6 Pleasant, Mt. Gilead and North Union D5 Highland and River Valley D4 Buckeye Valley D3 Ridgedale, no longer in MOAC, D7 For what it's worth. Thank you I stand corrected. Well yes but no 7th has 2 teams n 8 only has like 16 I think and 2 of them r very good 7th graders its sad because last year this years 8th graders had almost 30 I could be wrong w exact numbers but almost half didn't come back out idk what's going on tho but every time I see a kid that I remember that played I tell them I hope to see them back out even if its not football just doing something besides walking around town......sorry getting to deep lol |
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