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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 1, 2022 23:18:35 GMT -5
Ontario has played Mansfield Senior in basketball the past few years and have won a few times. But Tyger basketball isn't what it was 15 years ago. Just goes back to my pet peave. Why the school administrators can't see their way to a Richland area league. Which I know is beating a dead horse. It took some time for Senior to agree to play Ontario. They considered it a no win situation. If Senior won it was like, well they SHOULD win, bigger school with superior athletes. BUT if Ontario happened to win a game then'... WHAT happened? Senior should never lose to Ontario! Just ask Sykes, his players and fans how they liked losing TWICE to Ontario in the same season in Joe's last year. What kind of ?ichland area league do YOU wish for? Who do YOU want in this league? Who do you NOT want in this league. Should it be discriminatory and just have 8 schools? Should there be 10, 12 or more? Should there be divisions? Big and small, north and south, east and west? How far beyond the borders of Richland County should it reach? You are aware of the issues brewing among some SBC super conference schools right??
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 1, 2022 23:24:41 GMT -5
Probably more than it would to play 0-10 Norwalk almost an hour away. Plus, the Senior coaches said they did in an interview. He’s got you there, MrsTeel No he doesn't Clives
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 1, 2022 23:29:32 GMT -5
who is to say Senior wants to schedule them for football? Senior most years is a playoff team looking to make a deeper run. What benefits them? Probably more than it would to play 0-10 Norwalk almost an hour away. Plus, the Senior coaches said they did in an interview. Then why in the heck didn't self proclaimed know it all Dudette tell Senior that Norwalk was going to go 0-10 and drop them this year??
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 2, 2022 9:33:22 GMT -5
Probably more than it would to play 0-10 Norwalk almost an hour away. Plus, the Senior coaches said they did in an interview. Then why in the heck didn't self proclaimed know it all Dudette tell Senior that Norwalk was going to go 0-10 and drop them this year?? You keep saying someone else is a know it all but yet your every post is an attempt to correct their information.
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 2, 2022 9:34:41 GMT -5
Ontario has played Mansfield Senior in basketball the past few years and have won a few times. But Tyger basketball isn't what it was 15 years ago. Just goes back to my pet peave. Why the school administrators can't see their way to a Richland area league. Which I know is beating a dead horse. It took some time for Senior to agree to play Ontario. They considered it a no win situation. If Senior won it was like, well they SHOULD win, bigger school with superior athletes. BUT if Ontario happened to win a game then'... WHAT happened? Senior should never lose to Ontario! Just ask Sykes, his players and fans how they liked losing TWICE to Ontario in the same season in Joe's last year. What kind of ?ichland area league do YOU wish for? Who do YOU want in this league? Who do you NOT want in this league. Should it be discriminatory and just have 8 schools? Should there be 10, 12 or more? Should there be divisions? Big and small, north and south, east and west? How far beyond the borders of Richland County should it reach? You are aware of the issues brewing among some SBC super conference schools right?? Sykes players and fans do not like to lose to anyone.
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Post by dude on Nov 2, 2022 12:13:35 GMT -5
Then why in the heck didn't self proclaimed know it all Dudette tell Senior that Norwalk was going to go 0-10 and drop them this year?? You keep saying someone else is a know it all but yet your every post is an attempt to correct their information. I do not know everything but I did answer the question that was asked. Beating a 6-4 team benefits Senior more than beating a 0-10 team.
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Post by dude on Nov 2, 2022 12:18:21 GMT -5
It took some time for Senior to agree to play Ontario. They considered it a no win situation. If Senior won it was like, well they SHOULD win, bigger school with superior athletes. BUT if Ontario happened to win a game then'... WHAT happened? Senior should never lose to Ontario! Just ask Sykes, his players and fans how they liked losing TWICE to Ontario in the same season in Joe's last year. What kind of ?ichland area league do YOU wish for? Who do YOU want in this league? Who do you NOT want in this league. Should it be discriminatory and just have 8 schools? Should there be 10, 12 or more? Should there be divisions? Big and small, north and south, east and west? How far beyond the borders of Richland County should it reach? You are aware of the issues brewing among some SBC super conference schools right?? Sykes players and fans do not like to lose to anyone. I do know first hand that about 8-10 years ago when Senior was looking for local games. The previous basketball coach and a former football coach both declined those opportunities.
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Post by malabar10 on Nov 2, 2022 12:41:25 GMT -5
It is clear that, this year, Ontario was no match in football but things change. Basketball is entertaining, and why would Ontario want to play Senior in the minor sports It would serve no purpose for the Warriors other than getting some reserves playing time. Senior used to play games in baseball and softball but haven't had any success in either sport since 2000. Demographics are Senior isn't going back to D1 or D2 ever. As for RCL, it would have yo include Crawford, Ashland, and Knox Counties also All points are valid.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Nov 2, 2022 14:46:08 GMT -5
It took some time for Senior to agree to play Ontario. They considered it a no win situation. If Senior won it was like, well they SHOULD win, bigger school with superior athletes. BUT if Ontario happened to win a game then'... WHAT happened? Senior should never lose to Ontario! Just ask Sykes, his players and fans how they liked losing TWICE to Ontario in the same season in Joe's last year. What kind of ?ichland area league do YOU wish for? Who do YOU want in this league? Who do you NOT want in this league. Should it be discriminatory and just have 8 schools? Should there be 10, 12 or more? Should there be divisions? Big and small, north and south, east and west? How far beyond the borders of Richland County should it reach? You are aware of the issues brewing among some SBC super conference schools right?? Sykes players and fans do not like to lose to anyone. WTF... We have had this discussion before on here and its beating a dead horse with you. I said a Richland County area league most people probably get I mean like sized schools in the Mansfield/ Richland County area. Schools like Ontario, Lexington, Shelby, Madison, Mansfield, Clear Fork from Richland county. Then 3-5 schools from surrounding counties. Such as Ashland, Galion, Mt Vernon, Wooster, Marion Harding. All schools in divisions 2,3 and 4 in football. It's not a what I want Lexington to be in competition with its about travel and good gates. You seem to take it personal about Lex like it's some sort of character flaw with them.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2022 18:55:56 GMT -5
It took some time for Senior to agree to play Ontario. They considered it a no win situation. If Senior won it was like, well they SHOULD win, bigger school with superior athletes. BUT if Ontario happened to win a game then'... WHAT happened? Senior should never lose to Ontario! Just ask Sykes, his players and fans how they liked losing TWICE to Ontario in the same season in Joe's last year. What kind of ?ichland area league do YOU wish for? Who do YOU want in this league? Who do you NOT want in this league. Should it be discriminatory and just have 8 schools? Should there be 10, 12 or more? Should there be divisions? Big and small, north and south, east and west? How far beyond the borders of Richland County should it reach? You are aware of the issues brewing among some SBC super conference schools right?? Sykes players and fans do not like to lose to anyone. BUT,,,especially Joe and Ontario.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2022 19:02:56 GMT -5
Then why in the heck didn't self proclaimed know it all Dudette tell Senior that Norwalk was going to go 0-10 and drop them this year?? You keep saying someone else is a know it all but yet your every post is an attempt to correct their information. A differing opinion is correcting information?? How soon we forget what we learned in our civics class
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 2, 2022 20:22:38 GMT -5
Sykes players and fans do not like to lose to anyone. BUT,,,especially Joe and Ontario. Sykes never had a special place for Joe or Ontario.
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Post by dude on Nov 2, 2022 20:31:46 GMT -5
It is clear that, this year, Ontario was no match in football but things change. Basketball is entertaining, and why would Ontario want to play Senior in the minor sports It would serve no purpose for the Warriors other than getting some reserves playing time. Senior used to play games in baseball and softball but haven't had any success in either sport since 2000. Demographics are Senior isn't going back to D1 or D2 ever. As for RCL, it would have yo include Crawford, Ashland, and Knox Counties also All points are valid. Malabar you may want to get working on that league real quick as changes may be coming.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2022 22:52:15 GMT -5
BUT,,,especially Joe and Ontario. Sykes never had a special place for Joe or Ontario. Check the definitions for especially and special
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2022 23:02:23 GMT -5
Sykes players and fans do not like to lose to anyone. I do know first hand that about 8-10 years ago when Senior was looking for local games. The previous basketball coach and a former football coach both declined those opportunities. Did you hear that first hand from one side or both sides? Did you check your sources? OR did you only talk to the side that fits your narrative? Typical from the guy who claims to know every coach and AD in a 10 county area.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 2, 2022 23:22:01 GMT -5
It is clear that, this year, Ontario was no match in football but things change. Basketball is entertaining, and why would Ontario want to play Senior in the minor sports It would serve no purpose for the Warriors other than getting some reserves playing time. Senior used to play games in baseball and softball but haven't had any success in either sport since 2000. Demographics are Senior isn't going back to D1 or D2 ever. As for RCL, it would have yo include Crawford, Ashland, and Knox Counties also All points are valid. Can you give us just ONE year in the past 75 that Ontario WOULD have been a "match" for Senior in football? When things do change, let the ADs know. It has been put forth that Ontario should WANT to play Senior in football for the simple reason that they are both in the Mansfield area. WHY doesn't the same hold true for soccer, cross country, golf, tennis, wrestling, softball and baseball?? That BTW are also "entertaining". If it serves no purpose for Ontario to play Senior in the "minor"(in whose mind} sports, why is it good for Senior to play Ontario in football? There is more to demographics than size
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Post by ohioraised on Nov 3, 2022 11:33:16 GMT -5
Sykes never had a special place for Joe or Ontario. Check the definitions for especially and special No need. I was trying to tell you that Sykes and fans did not have any special feelings for a loss to that team or coach. Especially not Ontario or Joe, to them it was just a local game. It may have been especially good for Joe to beat an 8 win team.
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Post by dude on Nov 3, 2022 11:54:15 GMT -5
No need. I was trying to tell you that Sykes and fans did not have any special feelings for a loss to that team or coach. Especially not Ontario or Joe, to them it was just a local game. It may have been especially good for Joe to beat an 8 win team. Ontario and their fans have always seen themselves as a small rural Twp school similar to what Colonel Crawford is. When in reality they are much larger and growing and need to see themselves on the school population level of Mansfield, Shelby, Galion, Lexington and Clear Fork
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Post by malabar10 on Nov 3, 2022 14:23:33 GMT -5
It is clear that, this year, Ontario was no match in football but things change. Basketball is entertaining, and why would Ontario want to play Senior in the minor sports It would serve no purpose for the Warriors other than getting some reserves playing time. Senior used to play games in baseball and softball but haven't had any success in either sport since 2000. Demographics are Senior isn't going back to D1 or D2 ever. As for RCL, it would have yo include Crawford, Ashland, and Knox Counties also All points are valid. Can you give us just ONE year in the past 75 that Ontario WOULD have been a "match" for Senior in football? When things do change, let the ADs know. It has been put forth that Ontario should WANT to play Senior in football for the simple reason that they are both in the Mansfield area. WHY doesn't the same hold true for soccer, cross country, golf, tennis, wrestling, softball and baseball?? That BTW are also "entertaining". If it serves no purpose for Ontario to play Senior in the "minor"(in whose mind} sports, why is it good for Senior to play Ontario in football? There is more to demographics than size
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Post by malabar10 on Nov 3, 2022 14:25:52 GMT -5
1968. Ontario beat Malabar in the last game of the year and you said that Malabar was better than Senior. That's 1 YEAR in the last 75. Don't jump on me, I agree with you sometimes!!
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 3, 2022 15:16:34 GMT -5
Check the definitions for especially and special No need. I was trying to tell you that Sykes and fans did not have any special feelings for a loss to that team or coach. Especially not Ontario or Joe, to them it was just a local game. It may have been especially good for Joe to beat an 8 win team. Where you at those two games? Did you see the looks on their faces and hear the disdain from their fans?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 3, 2022 15:18:56 GMT -5
1968. Ontario beat Malabar in the last game of the year and you said that Malabar was better than Senior. That's 1 YEAR in the last 75. Don't jump on me, I agree with you sometimes!! ! out of 75, my point. AND why would any school want to play the school that has successfully recruited away their last 3 QBs, plus 3 other very good athletes?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 3, 2022 15:23:35 GMT -5
No need. I was trying to tell you that Sykes and fans did not have any special feelings for a loss to that team or coach. Especially not Ontario or Joe, to them it was just a local game. It may have been especially good for Joe to beat an 8 win team. Ontario and their fans have always seen themselves as a small rural Twp school similar to what Colonel Crawford is. When in reality they are much larger and growing and need to see themselves on the school population level of Mansfield, Shelby, Galion, Lexington and Clear Fork Ontario plays 4 out of those 5. AND because they don't play Senior they think they're a small rural school? LOLOL
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Nov 3, 2022 15:58:03 GMT -5
Sykes players and fans do not like to lose to anyone. WTF... We have had this discussion before on here and its beating a dead horse with you. I said a Richland County area league most people probably get I mean like sized schools in the Mansfield/ Richland County area. Schools like Ontario, Lexington, Shelby, Madison, Mansfield, Clear Fork from Richland county. Then 3-5 schools from surrounding counties. Such as Ashland, Galion, Mt Vernon, Wooster, Marion Harding. All schools in divisions 2,3 and 4 in football. It's not a what I want Lexington to be in competition with its about travel and good gates. You seem to take it personal about Lex like it's some sort of character flaw with them. Then why are YOU beating the already dead equine? Ontario is currently already in a league with Shelby, Clear Fork, Galion and Harding and play Madison and Lex in most sports. They have no interest in traveling to Mt.Vernon and Wooster. How about River Valley from the MOAC, Lexington's neighbor to the west? AND I would love to see Lex in the MOAC. You know that Clear Fork already tried the OCC and didn't like it. It sure sounds like you're helping make my case for the MOAC. Ontario was a big part in saving the MOAC and organizing it into what it is today. Some schools turn their backs on their league Ontario never has. Where did I say anything about what you want for Lex?? It is rather obvious you and dude and the like are obsessed with Ontario being in a league where YOU guys want them
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Nov 3, 2022 16:07:39 GMT -5
These posts really kind of prove the point that Ontario can compete with OCC and Richland county area league on a year in and year out basis. Will there be years that Mansfield will dominate in football or basketball sure. But then again all area school that have been mentioned can do the same. Willard F. you seem to always point to Lex as wanting run to the MOAC because they perceive that as lesser competition. But here you argue that Ontario should not be in a league with Mansfield because they might win some football and basketball games.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Nov 3, 2022 16:22:36 GMT -5
WTF... We have had this discussion before on here and its beating a dead horse with you. I said a Richland County area league most people probably get I mean like sized schools in the Mansfield/ Richland County area. Schools like Ontario, Lexington, Shelby, Madison, Mansfield, Clear Fork from Richland county. Then 3-5 schools from surrounding counties. Such as Ashland, Galion, Mt Vernon, Wooster, Marion Harding. All schools in divisions 2,3 and 4 in football. It's not a what I want Lexington to be in competition with its about travel and good gates. You seem to take it personal about Lex like it's some sort of character flaw with them. Then why are YOU beating the already dead equine? Ontario is currently already in a league with Shelby, Clear Fork, Galion and Harding and play Madison and Lex in most sports. They have no interest in traveling to Mt.Vernon and Wooster. How about River Valley from the MOAC, Lexington's neighbor to the west? AND I would love to see Lex in the MOAC. You know that Clear Fork already tried the OCC and didn't like it. It sure sounds like you're helping make my case for the MOAC. Ontario was a big part in saving the MOAC and organizing it into what it is today. Some schools turn their backs on their league Ontario never has. Where did I say anything about what you want for Lex?? It is rather obvious you and dude and the like are obsessed with Ontario being in a league where YOU guys want them I understand Ontario not wanting to travel to Wooster. I get it. Just like Lex not wanting to necessarily travel to New Philadelphia or Dover which is the main reason they looked into the MOAC. I think River Valley could be a great option. And Maybe also Highland. With the new Intel plant coming soon they could see some real growth. Highland could grow into the league. I have said I like the MOAC and would have no problem with Lexington being included. But I also enjoy the rivalries and competition in the OCC.
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Post by Big Lex Fan on Nov 3, 2022 17:15:16 GMT -5
[/quote]Malabar you may want to get working on that league real quick as changes may be coming.[/quote]
Dude, can you elaborate on some of the things you have been hearing? I have heard a few rumors also.
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Post by dude on Nov 3, 2022 21:44:14 GMT -5
Dude, can you elaborate on some of the things you have been hearing? I have heard a few rumors also. League changes coming in 2024 I am hearing. Official announcement coming soon.
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Post by BellevueBuckeye on Nov 4, 2022 6:51:32 GMT -5
Is it as simple as a school or two coming/going, or something bigger?
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Post by dude on Nov 4, 2022 7:29:20 GMT -5
Is it as simple as a school or two coming/going, or something bigger? It looks like a school is heading back to a central district league. MV to the LCL
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