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Post by Rodman on Oct 15, 2016 22:58:00 GMT -5
A couple of thing's to me that stood out. 1. Clyde was unable to run the ball on PC. The fliers rushed for 111 yards but 74 of those came on two play's. A Sewell TD run and a Vargo scramble late in the fourth. 2. Port Clinton forced six Clyde turnovers. 3. There is a definite difference in how the ball comes out between Nicely and Vargo. Vargo has a cannon for an arm and did a really nice job rallying Clyde. 4. The biggest play of the game to me was in the first quarter. Clyde had a 4th and 1 deep in PC territory. Jacob McCoy knives through the Clyde line and drop's Frank Sewell for a loss to end the drive. No matter what Vargo does it won't change the politics in clyde football. Clean up minutes are all he gets and Carter doesn't even usually give him those either. No excuses just his choice. Win or lose he's not giving that kid a chance to play.
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Post by sbc95 on Oct 16, 2016 0:38:54 GMT -5
Turn overs and Qb was not in in rythem with his receivers and a few bad calls by the refs were big issues for the Fliers ....PC had a good game plan and congrats to them...As for the Fliers they will bounce back ...
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Post by kritz on Oct 16, 2016 1:46:39 GMT -5
A couple of thing's to me that stood out. 1. Clyde was unable to run the ball on PC. The fliers rushed for 111 yards but 74 of those came on two play's. A Sewell TD run and a Vargo scramble late in the fourth. 2. Port Clinton forced six Clyde turnovers. 3. There is a definite difference in how the ball comes out between Nicely and Vargo. Vargo has a cannon for an arm and did a really nice job rallying Clyde. 4. The biggest play of the game to me was in the first quarter. Clyde had a 4th and 1 deep in PC territory. Jacob McCoy knives through the Clyde line and drop's Frank Sewell for a loss to end the drive. No matter what Vargo does it won't change the politics in clyde football. Clean up minutes are all he gets and Carter doesn't even usually give him those either. No excuses just his choice. Win or lose he's not giving that kid a chance to play. Pretty sad if that's true...
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Post by sbcsportsnut on Oct 16, 2016 9:50:54 GMT -5
There are no politics being played with the QBs in Clyde! Granted that the starter has not had great games the last couple weeks but he was the man last year on a team that went to the regional finals and he is 6 and 2 this year as the starter. The back up came in and threw about 8 throws and of those 8 he had 2 interceptions and one of his two TDs should have been an interception! I am not taking nothing away from the back up, but the staff sees these kids everyday in practice and have been with them since July. You have to believe in their knowledge of their team and that they will play whoever gives them the best chance to win. Coach Carter and his staff is pretty darn good at wha,t they do and they have proven that with the product they put on the field week in and week out. No conspiracy going on in Flier Nation.
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Post by piratefan on Oct 16, 2016 11:12:25 GMT -5
There are no politics being played with the QBs in Clyde! ..............No conspiracy going on in Flier Nation. You sure 'bout that? I hear lots of grumblings from the Clyde fans I know. They seem to disagree with you.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 12:30:10 GMT -5
A couple of thing's to me that stood out. 1. Clyde was unable to run the ball on PC. The fliers rushed for 111 yards but 74 of those came on two play's. A Sewell TD run and a Vargo scramble late in the fourth. 2. Port Clinton forced six Clyde turnovers. 3. There is a definite difference in how the ball comes out between Nicely and Vargo. Vargo has a cannon for an arm and did a really nice job rallying Clyde. 4. The biggest play of the game to me was in the first quarter. Clyde had a 4th and 1 deep in PC territory. Jacob McCoy knives through the Clyde line and drop's Frank Sewell for a loss to end the drive. No matter what Vargo does it won't change the politics in clyde football. Clean up minutes are all he gets and Carter doesn't even usually give him those either. No excuses just his choice. Win or lose he's not giving that kid a chance to play. I've never understood what is meant by "politics" in sports.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 12:33:31 GMT -5
No matter what Vargo does it won't change the politics in clyde football. Clean up minutes are all he gets and Carter doesn't even usually give him those either. No excuses just his choice. Win or lose he's not giving that kid a chance to play. I've never understood what is meant by "politics" in high school sports. If you'd give us a definitive definition, it might make it clear. As over several decades I've never seen any "politics" in sports in Mansfield or the surrounding area.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 12:33:48 GMT -5
POLITICS in sports - Maybe this is an example. If a parent is allowed to go in to the locker room at halftime of a game and give a speech, are all parents allowed?
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 12:38:33 GMT -5
What difference would that make? As a former player I've made a pregame speech to the team. Was I "politicking" ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 12:42:09 GMT -5
Why does one parent get this privilege? How were they selected?
Not claiming it would be right or wrong. (IF it happened) I'm only saying that by allowing it, could be viewed as an example of the "politics" in high school sports.
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Post by kritz on Oct 16, 2016 12:46:11 GMT -5
Cliff Hite starting his son over Ben Roethlisberger
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 12:48:58 GMT -5
A bad idea in general, unless he was a former player with a great story to tell. A veteran with a great story to tell. A policeman or fireman with a great story to tell. Someone who would have loved to play sports, but due to a handicap couldn't. Looking for a more telling example of what "politics" in high school sports IS.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 12:53:04 GMT -5
Cliff Hite starting his son over Ben Roethlisberger Senator Cliff Hite?
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Post by tchldad on Oct 16, 2016 12:54:04 GMT -5
How about kids playing that are coaches sons? Or kids playing because their parents are teachers, or even on the school board? Are these forms of politics in sports?
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Post by kritz on Oct 16, 2016 12:56:07 GMT -5
Cliff Hite starting his son over Ben Roethlisberger Senator Cliff Hite? Yup lol. His son Ryan started his senior year over Ben who played WR. Rankled a lot of people here..
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 12:57:12 GMT -5
AH....those who never see practices, ASSuming because a kid of a teacher or coach plays, that kid MUST be a lesser player than someone on the team.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 13:07:13 GMT -5
Senator Cliff Hite? Yup lol. His son Ryan started his senior year over Ben who played WR. Rankled a lot of people here.. I was told by a friend who worked for Marathon. That was a good athlete in this area in high school. His kids played sports for Findlay HS. That Roethlisberger played TE and was being recruited as a TE by Div1 colleges and didn't play QB before his Senior year.
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Post by scottyv on Oct 16, 2016 13:43:25 GMT -5
Politics = Kids playing because of their name over other kids. Kids playing because their family dumps money into the sports programs. Kids with parents on coaching staffs. Kids with parents controlling school boards. School board members coaching. AD's on coaching staffs. Head coaches having control over more than their football team. Happens at a lot of small schools. Anybody that thinks this stuff doesn't go on, especially in this area, just has their heads up their a$$3$! I'm hearing the same talk about the folks in Clyde. Remember that a lot of Clyde residents work in Fremont and Sandusky and that includes many parents of kids on the teams that share things coaches don't want shared. Just another quick point... Some assistant coaches talk too much. Some wouldn't be coaching anymore if the head coaches knew about it. That's all I'll say on that.
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Post by scottyv on Oct 16, 2016 13:46:45 GMT -5
There are no politics being played with the QBs in Clyde! ..............No conspiracy going on in Flier Nation. You sure 'bout that? I hear lots of grumblings from the Clyde fans I know. They seem to disagree with you. Been hearing the same thing. Even coaches aren't on the same page. The Bellevue game really exposed that.
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Post by Willard Fillmore on Oct 16, 2016 13:56:58 GMT -5
Politics = Kids playing because of their name over other kids. Kids playing because their family dumps money into the sports programs. Kids with parents on coaching staffs. Kids with parents controlling school boards. School board members coaching. AD's on coaching staffs. Head coaches having control over more than their football team. Happens at a lot of small schools. Anybody that thinks this stuff doesn't go on, especially in this area, just has their heads up their a$$3$! I'm hearing the same talk about the folks in Clyde. Remember that a lot of Clyde residents work in Fremont and Sandusky and that includes many parents of kids on the teams that share things coaches don't want shared. Just another quick point... Some assistant coaches talk too much. Some wouldn't be coaching anymore if the head coaches knew about it. That's all I'll say on that. Must be lousy school districts and lousy coaches. I've never witnessed the such in my lifetime.
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Post by galion on Oct 16, 2016 14:32:10 GMT -5
You know as successful as Clyde has been on the football field you'd think that their coaches would have earned enough respect and trust by now not to have to tolerate this bullshit.
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Post by scottyv on Oct 16, 2016 14:45:22 GMT -5
You know as successful as Clyde has been on the football field you'd think that their coaches would have earned enough respect and trust by now not to have to tolerate this bullshit. Personally I'm talking about most small schools, as most people know this stuff goes on at a lot of places. But I'm also backing what pirate said because I'm hearing a lot from people inside of Clyde. I've heard some other things from other schools but this thread is about PC/Clyde. Sounds like this has hit a nerve with you. And nobody said they have to tolerate anything. I doubt they are "tolerating" any of it anyway and probably don't care what's being said here (except to know who is speaking out beyond the locker room).
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Post by jeffdsp on Oct 16, 2016 15:20:19 GMT -5
Politics = Kids playing because of their name over other kids. Kids playing because their family dumps money into the sports programs. Kids with parents on coaching staffs. Kids with parents controlling school boards. School board members coaching. AD's on coaching staffs. Head coaches having control over more than their football team. Happens at a lot of small schools. Anybody that thinks this stuff doesn't go on, especially in this area, just has their heads up their a$$3$! I'm hearing the same talk about the folks in Clyde. Remember that a lot of Clyde residents work in Fremont and Sandusky and that includes many parents of kids on the teams that share things coaches don't want shared. Just another quick point... Some assistant coaches talk too much. Some wouldn't be coaching anymore if the head coaches knew about it. That's all I'll say on that. Must be lousy school districts and lousy coaches. I've never witnessed the such it in my lifetime. Let me weigh in on this. I've kept my mouth shut because I moved away from Clyde and nothing there affects me anymore. It did affect my kid, which I saw people commented about him moving with me to St Louis. Yes he did. And let me clarify some things. My kid had the option to stay in Clyde. I heard rumors that I made him go and blah blah. He made the decision to move as a junior. I won't comment as to what all went into that decision, I'll just say he was able to see right through the bull. Takes a lot of strength to do that. I didn't want him staying in Clyde because I felt like he was getting screwed over and the crap that goes on there but I left it completely up to him. I think it's worse at Clyde (a school I graduated from and saw it when I was there over 20 years ago) than anywhere. I've posted plenty so all those people know who am I and what I'll tell you is nothing but truth. It's not what others are saying to me because I don't talk to hardly anybody about Clyde anymore. The Clyde AD is also a football coach. The Board Pres. is an assistant coach. Another Board member is the starting QB's dad and assistant varsity basketball coach. The AD is the son of a long time Board member. There is ZERO checks and balances in that school system when it comes to sports. As far as their coaching abilities, I've always said they're great coaches because they are. It's the POLITICAL crap that people can't stand. I don't wish bad things for that team because my kid has close friends there still that he loves and kids that I've been around for over 10 years and even coached several in baseball and football. I wanted my kid to be a big part of helping that team do something special, but the good Lord has other plans. The team is loaded and they have kids playing jv for them that would be starting on most other teams in the area. So Willard, you have just seen it I guess for the first time in your life because it's real.
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Post by Rodman on Oct 16, 2016 15:50:27 GMT -5
There are no politics being played with the QBs in Clyde! Granted that the starter has not had great games the last couple weeks but he was the man last year on a team that went to the regional finals and he is 6 and 2 this year as the starter. The back up came in and threw about 8 throws and of those 8 he had 2 interceptions and one of his two TDs should have been an interception! I am not taking nothing away from the back up, but the staff sees these kids everyday in practice and have been with them since July. You have to believe in their knowledge of their team and that they will play whoever gives them the best chance to win. Coach Carter and his staff is pretty darn good at wha,t they do and they have proven that with the product they put on the field week in and week out. No conspiracy going on in Flier Nation.
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Post by jeffdsp on Oct 16, 2016 15:57:10 GMT -5
And while I'm at it, I'll put it out there what Coach Carter said to my kid last spring when he found out that I was moving to St Louis. He pulled my kid into his classroom and told him that he wanted him to be his starting QB this season. Carter said he wanted him to stay and work hard and be the starter! That's 100% truth! I had a real heart to heart talk with my kid because he wanted to believe Carter and explained to him what Carter would say to him before they even met and that is what Carter would tell him- exactly what he wants to hear. And that's exactly what he did. Had he been honest and told my kid that he would have to come in and compete and beat out the starter and another senior then that would be one thing. But he fed my kid a line of crap which ****** me off highly because a grown man that's willing to tell a 16 year old exactly what he wants to hear instead of being honest with him just to get him to stay so Carter has a good QB next year isn't somebody I want coaching my kid!
How do I know he didn't mean what he said to my kid in his little classroom meeting? For one I'm not a naive kid chomping at the bit to get on the field. By the way, he showed exactly what he could do as a sophomore in both varsity scrimmages and two a days last season. Didn't matter to Carter. Secondly, I personally met with Ryan Carter and what he told me was completely different than what he told my kid.
I didn't and don't want anything handed to my kid. I have no respect for people that get handouts. I wanted fairness. And that doesn't happen in Clyde. So my son chose a school in the St Louis area that he absolutely loves and this team has taken him in from day 1 like he's always gone to school here. He loves his new teammates and they love him. There's none of that political stuff that goes on going on here. It's probably because the area is too big. There's 2000 kids in his high school. I will say I miss Ohio high school football because it's an event there but I don't miss the b.s. that I've seen over the years!
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Post by Rodman on Oct 16, 2016 16:06:52 GMT -5
Your correct these coaches see these kids play everyday but you see the backup play when he has to make a play to get any play time. Sorry but there is plenty conspiracy in Flier Nation. Lots as a matter of a fact. And not with all the coaching staff. Most have a strong sense of integrity and speak the truth like it or not. Some not so much. Take a look at all film. And then see who rubs elbows with head coaches of any team their kids play for ?? Lots of pull in certainly families. Long long list of conspiracy In flier nation. Time will tell true colors always find their way. Coach Carter has some great staff. Won't take that away. But agree there is no checks and balances
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Post by dolittle on Oct 16, 2016 16:59:13 GMT -5
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Post by jeffdsp on Oct 16, 2016 17:22:54 GMT -5
It's called Kool Aid...you all keep drinking it!
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Post by Rodman on Oct 16, 2016 17:28:25 GMT -5
Sooner or later someone is gonna get choked up with the truth. Drink up. Sobering moments to come.
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Post by kritz on Oct 16, 2016 17:30:29 GMT -5
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